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ZingFreelancer · 2008-04-08, 10:54

So Yuji merging with Snake by his own will... Does this makes him... A flame haze??? Because it is basically the whole concept, a human accept a "contract" and merge with a Denizen Lord and become a flame haze.

The only thing that don't fit in is the fact that Yuji is an eternal torch.

Spoiler for Silver:

minhtam1638 · 2008-04-08, 11:37

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Originally Posted by ZingFreelancer

So Yuji merging with Snake by his own will... Does this makes him... A flame haze??? Because it is basically the whole concept, a human accept a "contract" and merge with a Denizen Lord and become a flame haze.

The only thing that don't fit in is the fact that Yuji is an eternal torch.

Spoiler for Silver:

You're very close - it makes him a Tomogara/Crimson Denizen.

ZingFreelancer · 2008-04-08, 12:31

I remember some people talking about a Tomogara who designed "City devouring" so he could revive his beloved flame haze or was it so he could make a child from her reminds?

As at this point, the previous alastors flame haze dies and "Shiro" get the mission to find a new suitable vessel for alastor.
So it could be possible that Shana is actually the one who was created by that Tomogara and "Shiro" just found her and brought her to alastor. That self explains why she can fit alastor in her self that well...

Just a speculation.

alvinkhorfire · 2008-04-15, 09:26

So, guys, what actually happens at the end of Epiosde 24 of season 2? There are two possible interpretations of the ending, which are:

a. Yuji has chosen Shana over Kazumi and the love triangle has ended.

b. Yuji was heading to either Shana or Kazumi (most probably Shana), then he mysteriously disappeared without choosing any one of the girls.

Those who did not read any novel spoiler will mostly choose ending a. But, anyone who has read the novel spoiler will mostly choose ending b. So, I am confused. Which ending is the correct one? I personally think the ending b is the correct one. The disappearance of Yuji should fit just well with the fact that he is going to merge with Snake of the Festival. The post made by piku strengthens my beliefs.

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Originally Posted by piku

Spoiler for episode 24 and original novel:

Or, the best way is say that we don't know which ending is the correct one and we have to wait until the possible arrival of season 3 to know the answer.

minhtam1638 · 2008-04-15, 11:39

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Originally Posted by alvinkhorfire

So, guys, what actually happens at the end of Epiosde 24 of season 2? There are two possible interpretations of the ending, which are:

a. Yuji has chosen Shana over Kazumi and the love triangle has ended.

b. Yuji was heading to either Shana or Kazumi (most probably Shana), then he mysteriously disappeared without choosing any one of the girls.

Those who did not read any novel spoiler will mostly choose ending a. But, anyone who has read the novel spoiler will mostly choose ending b. So, I am confused. Which ending is the correct one? I personally think the ending b is the correct one. The dissapperence of Yuji should fit just well with the fact that he is going to merge with Snake of the Festival. The post made by piku strengthens my beliefs.

Or, the best way is say that we don't know which ending is the correct one and we have to wait until the possible arrival of season 3 to know the answer.

We don't know which ending is the correct one, so we have to wait until the possible arrival of season 3 to know the answer. Should Shakugan no Shana follow the same path as pre-2008 Rozen Maiden (I said "pre" for a reason), we can actually interpret it as the love triangle being resolved and the footprints symbolizing that Yuji is ending his indecisiveness (left-foot Shana, right-foot Kazumi, left-foot Shana) and picking, eventually Shana.

HayashiMugen · 2008-04-15, 21:23

Spoiler:

alvinkhorfire · 2008-04-15, 22:28

HayashiMugen
Yeap, that is what I mean. Basically, there are two possible interpretations of the ending and I would like to know which is the correct one.

HayashiMugen · 2008-04-16, 05:44

I have a good feeling its this one.

ZingFreelancer · 2008-04-22, 06:50

However, in the ending of the anime season 2 we can see Shana and dark flames. As well as hands reaching for each other and when they grab a hold, a glass brakes into pieces. The animme have taking some of they're own swings. So that Snh might actually overtake Yujis body true Reigi Maigo and Shana will reach for his conscious to awake him or something like that?

madamshana · 2008-06-26, 00:58

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Originally Posted by alvinkhorfire

So, guys, what actually happens at the end of Epiosde 24 of season 2? There are two possible interpretations of the ending, which are:

a. Yuji has chosen Shana over Kazumi and the love triangle has ended.

b. Yuji was heading to either Shana or Kazumi (most probably Shana), then he mysteriously disappeared without choosing any one of the girls.

Those who did not read any novel spoiler will mostly choose ending a. But, anyone who has read the novel spoiler will mostly choose ending b. So, I am confused. Which ending is the correct one? I personally think the ending b is the correct one. The disappearance of Yuji should fit just well with the fact that he is going to merge with Snake of the Festival. The post made by piku strengthens my beliefs.

Or, the best way is say that we don't know which ending is the correct one and we have to wait until the possible arrival of season 3 to know the answer.

I tend to believe a but we never know.

Angrypokstick · 2008-06-26, 21:13

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Originally Posted by madamshana

I tend to believe a but we never know.

though according to the novel the correct interpretation of the ending is actually b.....

madamshana · 2008-06-28, 22:20

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Originally Posted by Angrypokstick

though according to the novel the correct interpretation of the ending is actually b.....

I haven't read the novels as they are only available in chinese and japanese I believe.

scott pike · 2009-03-15, 21:01

I haven't read the novels but I really want to no what is going on. I don't even care if I ever read them as long as I know what happened. who is the snake fellow, why did yuji merge, where did he come from, what does he have to do with the bel masgue group? What are all the major story events that happen in the novels and is there anyplace that collects all of these and explains them since it seems I'll be in my forties before the story is translated?

Wargumm1i · 2009-03-17, 01:03

Wait is the Novel over?

Cosmic Eagle · 2009-03-17, 01:07

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Originally Posted by Wargumm1i

Wait is the Novel over?

Not yet....

Marcus H. · 2009-05-10, 03:57

*Sorry to resurrect a 2-month inactive thread...

I just want to share my forecasts and speculations for Shana III... :P

> Bal Masque's been defeated twice. I think they'll stay as an enemy, but will not be as active as in ~Second~ since the Trinity's not 100%.
> I have a feeling Ogata-chan is the owner of the 'fading footprints', if that scene has no deeper meaning to it.
> I think Kazumi will not use Giralda.

> Will Margery defeat Sydonay in III? And will the secret of the Silver be revealed?
> Will the Keisuke-Margery pair develop?
> Where is Pheles right now?
> What do you think will be Yuji's sister's name? (note that her name will have the kanji for "three" in it.)

R&R please. :P

Cosmic Eagle · 2009-05-10, 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

*Sorry to resurrect a 2-month inactive thread...

I just want to share my forecasts and speculations for Shana III... :P

> Bal Masque's been defeated twice. I think they'll stay as an enemy, but will not be as active as in ~Second~ since the Trinity's not 100%.
> I have a feeling Ogata-chan is the owner of the 'fading footprints', if that scene has no deeper meaning to it.
> I think Kazumi will not use Giralda.

> Will Margery defeat Sydonay in III? And will the secret of the Silver be revealed?
> Will the Keisuke-Margery pair develop?
> Where is Pheles right now?
> What do you think will be Yuji's sister's name? (note that her name will have the kanji for "three" in it.)

R&R please. :P

If they follow the novels, Yes, Bal Masque will be the major antagonists. Likewise, Margery's fate and the nature of Silver will be expanded upon.

Marcus H. · 2009-05-11, 04:10

The question is, will they count the entirety of the novel and the sidestories (Eternal Song, Book SS and Book 0)? I think it's better to have the "Shakugan no Shana -600 Years" as an additional movie than to be introduced as filler episodes.

Terminator98 · 2009-07-31, 09:14

Basicaly we have this left to make an entire third season:

-Yuji becoming an evil guy and he abducting Shana.

-Mostly Shana maybe fighting him, either killing him or awakening him and making him comeback to his senses, and for the first time ever, saying "I love" you to him.

-Margery nearly getting killed by Yuji.

So, I smell filler episodes.

However...

Will J.C interpret the ending as most of you speculated. the good way? (Shana is chosen by Yuji and they end up together) Or are we gonna follow the novels?

Knowing J.C staff, I fear that we are gonna get some anime special stories and some deformation of the story.

BTW... I never understood... why did Yuji decide to merge with the snake?

digger314 · 2009-08-01, 00:42

I think the current understanding is that the third season will be mostly in sync with the novel all the way til the end of the novel series, so it should contain stuff from future novels.

as for why did Yuji merged with Snake, I should read that part again, but my impression is that he didn't have much of a choice in it. The revival of Snake has been a centuries-long plan by Bal Masque to bring back their Great Leader (actually their god), and Yuji just happened to be stuck at the center of it. Now the goals of Snake/Yuji kind of align at the moment so maybe that's why Yuji isn't fighting him more - assuming he even can without outside help.

2008-04-08, 10:54	Link #141
ZingFreelancer A horrible person Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Norway / Telemark	So Yuji merging with Snake by his own will... Does this makes him... A flame haze??? Because it is basically the whole concept, a human accept a "contract" and merge with a Denizen Lord and become a flame haze. The only thing that don't fit in is the fact that Yuji is an eternal torch. Spoiler for Silver: Also Silvers appearance from Yujis body could be described as his wish to not lose Midnight Lost Child? As silver is summoned by will...?

2008-04-15, 21:23	Link #146
HayashiMugen (O_O;) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Age: 33	Spoiler: Is this what you people are saying? Yuji was walking up to Shana then he vanishes?

2008-04-15, 22:28	Link #147
alvinkhorfire Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	HayashiMugen Yeap, that is what I mean. Basically, there are two possible interpretations of the ending and I would like to know which is the correct one. __________________

2009-03-15, 21:01	Link #153
scott pike Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	About the novels I haven't read the novels but I really want to no what is going on. I don't even care if I ever read them as long as I know what happened. who is the snake fellow, why did yuji merge, where did he come from, what does he have to do with the bel masgue group? What are all the major story events that happen in the novels and is there anyplace that collects all of these and explains them since it seems I'll be in my forties before the story is translated?

2009-05-10, 03:57	Link #156
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Sorry to resurrect a 2-month inactive thread... I just want to share my forecasts and speculations for Shana III... :P > Bal Masque's been defeated twice. I think they'll stay as an enemy, but will not be as active as in ~Second~ since the Trinity's not 100%. > I have a feeling Ogata-chan is the owner of the 'fading footprints', if that scene has no deeper meaning to it. > I think Kazumi will not use Giralda. > Will Margery defeat Sydonay in III? And will the secret of the Silver be revealed? > Will the Keisuke-Margery pair develop? > Where is Pheles right now? > What do you think will be Yuji's sister's name? (note that her name will have the kanji for "three" in it.) R&R please. :P __________________ Continuing:* White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2008-04-08, 12:31	Link #143
ZingFreelancer A horrible person Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Norway / Telemark	I remember some people talking about a Tomogara who designed "City devouring" so he could revive his beloved flame haze or was it so he could make a child from her reminds? As at this point, the previous alastors flame haze dies and "Shiro" get the mission to find a new suitable vessel for alastor. So it could be possible that Shana is actually the one who was created by that Tomogara and "Shiro" just found her and brought her to alastor. That self explains why she can fit alastor in her self that well... Just a speculation.

2008-04-16, 05:44	Link #148
HayashiMugen (O_O;) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Age: 33	I have a good feeling its this one.

2008-04-22, 06:50	Link #149
ZingFreelancer A horrible person Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Norway / Telemark	However, in the ending of the anime season 2 we can see Shana and dark flames. As well as hands reaching for each other and when they grab a hold, a glass brakes into pieces. The animme have taking some of they're own swings. So that Snh might actually overtake Yujis body true Reigi Maigo and Shana will reach for his conscious to awake him or something like that?

2009-03-17, 01:03	Link #154
Wargumm1i Hentai Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Iceland	Wait is the Novel over?

2009-05-11, 04:10	Link #158
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	The question is, will they count the entirety of the novel and the sidestories (Eternal Song, Book SS and Book 0)? I think it's better to have the "Shakugan no Shana -600 Years" as an additional movie than to be introduced as filler episodes. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2009-07-31, 09:14	Link #159
Terminator98 Archangelic Demon Vampire Author Join Date: May 2009 Location: Mauritius Age: 30	Basicaly we have this left to make an entire third season: -Yuji becoming an evil guy and he abducting Shana. -Mostly Shana maybe fighting him, either killing him or awakening him and making him comeback to his senses, and for the first time ever, saying "I love" you to him. -Margery nearly getting killed by Yuji. So, I smell filler episodes. However... Will J.C interpret the ending as most of you speculated. the good way? (Shana is chosen by Yuji and they end up together) Or are we gonna follow the novels? Knowing J.C staff, I fear that we are gonna get some anime special stories and some deformation of the story. BTW... I never understood... why did Yuji decide to merge with the snake? __________________

2009-08-01, 00:42	Link #160
digger314 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Vancouver, Canada	I think the current understanding is that the third season will be mostly in sync with the novel all the way til the end of the novel series, so it should contain stuff from future novels. as for why did Yuji merged with Snake, I should read that part again, but my impression is that he didn't have much of a choice in it. The revival of Snake has been a centuries-long plan by Bal Masque to bring back their Great Leader (actually their god), and Yuji just happened to be stuck at the center of it. Now the goals of Snake/Yuji kind of align at the moment so maybe that's why Yuji isn't fighting him more - assuming he even can without outside help.