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Diluc · 2017-12-20, 12:09

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Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot

New Dragon Ball movie announced

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...r-2018/.125269

Call of it, this is prelude for upcoming Goku vs legendary super saiyan.
But is that worth of hype after tournament of power? Technically Universe 7 is not content of threat anymore unless the scope widen to other universe.

Yui Is My Wife · 2017-12-20, 13:56

"Default Human Syndrome" is really nothing new in media; it plays to audience instinctive expectations of what they want to perceive as "normal",
aka "Only my tribe is normal, because anyone who isn't from my village are strangers, and therefore scary/myrsterious and therefore can't be trusted"

For example; take the protagonist of Nintendo's "Ace Attorney Series", the Defense Lawyer Naruhodo Ryuichi. He has and always has been designed as a 23 year old Japanese Law-School Graduate, and no Japanese teen/kid/university student would have given a second thought that he is an Asian, because to the Japanese Gamer that is the "Default Human"

Playing into that mentality, Nintendo realizes that western audiences back in the 2000s are NOT going to be generous and open minded of Naruhodo Ryuichi if he is identified and culturally coded as an Asian, so with NO changes and justifications to his still Asian Appearance, the character "Phoenix Wright" was born, whom Western Gamers readily identified with, because to them a Caucasian is the culturally indoctrianted "Default" (and therefore "normal") human. This of course applied to the rest of the cast too, most glaringly with Kirsato Mayoi the Shinto Priestess shoehorned into a "Gypsy Medium" called Maya Faye, with NO stylistic or aesthetic changes of her Shinto-Religious Background to accomodate an "American" setting; heck, they could not even bother changing the name of the Shinto Holy Symbol "Magatama", because they presumed the audience to think "hey Maya is a westerner like me because she has a western name, so its all good!"

Hollywood is unfortunately until recently not even REMOTELY that generous, just expecting the audience to think "White Normal, everyone else is a rapper/junkie/bullet-shield/nerd/monster-chow/romantic-runner-up/joke and if they reject they are being spoiled-sports who are ruining it for good happy Suburban Caucasian kids."

But hey, as Bob Dylan sung, "The Times Are A Changing"

Never thought would live to see the day where Disney of all companies is not so pig-headedly stubborn and bone-headed, and actually bothers to TRY to gradually respect the humanities of all the ethnicities in their new productions....

... though they STILL do stumble along the way, with Mantis existing in "Guardians of the Galaxy 2", whose ONLY purpose is to be the "meek nice Asian geeks who laughs WITH the steroid bloated macho white jock who calls her ugly all the time."

Oh well, you win some you lose some.

Come to think about it, after buying Fox, Disney now ALSO owns that horrid Dragonball De-Volution film too... shiver. :hehL

RDNexus · 2017-12-20, 14:09

Oh, please, zip it. You're dumping your ideologies into something that has no need of that.
Never have I deemed others as less than myself, nor do I have a desire to do so. Don't make me (or anyone else here) into something that I'm not.

I still remember your deal with the U2 female warriors, so you have problems to deal with. Have a nice day.

XFire · 2017-12-20, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

"Default Human Syndrome" is really nothing new in media; it plays to audience instinctive expectations of what they want to perceive as "normal",
aka "Only my tribe is normal, because anyone who isn't from my village are strangers, and therefore scary/myrsterious and therefore can't be trusted"

For example; take the protagonist of Nintendo's "Ace Attorney Series", the Defense Lawyer Naruhodo Ryuichi. He has and always has been designed as a 23 year old Japanese Law-School Graduate, and no Japanese teen/kid/university student would have given a second thought that he is an Asian, because to the Japanese Gamer that is the "Default Human"

Playing into that mentality, Nintendo realizes that western audiences back in the 2000s are NOT going to be generous and open minded of Naruhodo Ryuichi if he is identified and culturally coded as an Asian, so with NO changes and justifications to his still Asian Appearance, the character "Phoenix Wright" was born, whom Western Gamers readily identified with, because to them a Caucasian is the culturally indoctrianted "Default" (and therefore "normal") human. This of course applied to the rest of the cast too, most glaringly with Kirsato Mayoi the Shinto Priestess shoehorned into a "Gypsy Medium" called Maya Faye, with NO stylistic or aesthetic changes of her Shinto-Religious Background to accomodate an "American" setting; heck, they could not even bother changing the name of the Shinto Holy Symbol "Magatama", because they presumed the audience to think "hey Maya is a westerner like me because she has a western name, so its all good!"

Hollywood is unfortunately until recently not even REMOTELY that generous, just expecting the audience to think "White Normal, everyone else is a rapper/junkie/bullet-shield/nerd/monster-chow/romantic-runner-up/joke and if they reject they are being spoiled-sports who are ruining it for good happy Suburban Caucasian kids."

But hey, as Bob Dylan sung, "The Times Are A Changing"

Never thought would live to see the day where Disney of all companies is not so pig-headedly stubborn and bone-headed, and actually bothers to TRY to gradually respect the humanities of all the ethnicities in their new productions....

... though they STILL do stumble along the way, with Mantis existing in "Guardians of the Galaxy 2", whose ONLY purpose is to be the "meek nice Asian geeks who laughs WITH the steroid bloated macho white jock who calls her ugly all the time."

Oh well, you win some you lose some.

Come to think about it, after buying Fox, Disney now ALSO owns that horrid Dragonball De-Volution film too... shiver. :hehL

Wow.

Is this copy pasta from somewhere?

Perhaps a parody of excessive political correctness or social justice?

Because otherwise that's some Zamasu level mind gymnastics there.

Also, did you seriously just project race onto a couple of alien characters?

By all means, though, keep talking about cultural appropriation in a thread for a Japanese anime whose main character and original premise were ripped directly from a Chinese legend.

Gan_HOPE326 · 2017-12-20, 19:12

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Originally Posted by XFire

Also, did you seriously just project race onto a couple of alien characters?

TBF, I don't know about Drax being white (he certainly looks like a steroid bloated macho jock), but Mantis was obviously meant to "feel" Asian in attitude and looks. She even has an Asian-ish accent. But that may be just because the actress looked Asian (she's half-Korean, to be precise, French though), so they rolled with it with the mannerisms. The "ugly" jokes got pretty annoying soon for me, but mostly because they felt like a Flanderization of Drax's character - he went from somewhat dense in the first movie to completely, utterly, desperately dumb.

azenable · 2017-12-21, 11:53

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Originally Posted by xrick

I'm one who believes Saiyans, appearance-wise, may seem more like caucasians than asians.
Just because a story has a japanese author, doesn't mean the MC has to be asian-looking

They are monkey...

RDNexus · 2017-12-21, 12:06

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Originally Posted by azenable

They are monkey...

Good one, actually...

BassGSnewtype · 2017-12-22, 12:17

I wondering what they plan to do with Frieza after this arc if it isn't Super's last, he's had alot more screen time and contact with the main cast more during this arc then during any other he appeared in.

n0m@n · 2017-12-23, 20:07

This episode was better than I thought. I was imagining it to be a child's play before the real deal (U11). But the U3's last resort was more dangerous than I thought. Who would have thought the remaining five U7 fighters would have to go all out and do a combined attack to defeat that monster.

Spoiler for U3:

With this there's only 2 Universe left now: U7 and U11.
Though U7 still have 5 fighters (Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Freeza, 17) the U3 has 3. The Beerus-looking guy seems like he can be handled by any of the current U7 fighters while Toppo can be takedown by any of Goku, Vegeta, or Freeza. Though from the preview it seems like Vegeta will be the next one to go.

Mad Pierrot · 2017-12-23, 21:09

Looks like we have reached the climax. Still, I read that next week there will not be an episode due to holidays

BassGSnewtype · 2017-12-23, 23:23

All hell's about to break loose.
Frieza, 17, Goku, Gohan and Vegeta vs Toppo, Dyspo and last but not least Jiren....TIME TO ROCK...in 2 weeks.

Sixth · 2017-12-23, 23:36

That was hell a twist that there was an imp or something like that in the GoD U3, and it even can talk!

Aniraza is definitely a monster that inspired by the DBZ movies.

It was nice to see that DBS is slowly integrating movie characters or monsters from DBZ movies into a dragon ball canon/lore.

LOL at the preview...that Vegeta managed to land a clean hit on Jiren without UI.

Overall it was a good episode. At least in this ToP, there were at least 2 characters are definitely fit to be a raid boss for the DB video games (Aniraza and GIANT Magical Girl Ribrianne)

BassGSnewtype · 2017-12-23, 23:52

It's a clear sign he's might gain UI of his own, maybe.

Sixth · 2017-12-24, 00:11

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Originally Posted by BassGSnewtype

It's a clear sign he's might gain UI of his own, maybe.

You mean like AUTO-COUNTER?

vietthai96 · 2017-12-24, 00:25

I see him just rather go all-out like no tomorrow, beside i don't see Jiren are in pain from the attack. And no UI for Vegeta i swear

alex_drian · 2017-12-24, 00:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by BassGSnewtype

All hell's about to break loose.
Frieza, 17, Goku, Gohan and Vegeta vs Toppo, Dyspo and last but not least Jiren....TIME TO ROCK...in 2 weeks.

Prepare yourself for two episodes of Goten, Trunks and Maron vs bandits before the climax.

Sixth · 2017-12-24, 00:55

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Originally Posted by alex_drian

Prepare yourself for two episodes of Goten, Trunks and Maron vs bandits before the climax.

Don't jinx it.

vietthai96 · 2017-12-24, 01:14

Oh we have some episode of Meanwhile

Edit: I ship them

Mad Pierrot · 2017-12-24, 08:02

Ramero · 2017-12-24, 08:32

At least my prediction went bullseye that Universe 11 is the last opponent knowing that Jiren is "untouchable" right now and he's even ready to fight in prime condition again after his meditation.

I think that prediction will be Dyspo vs No. 17, Vegeta vs Toppo and Jiren vs Goku.

Still, i do hope that Beerus will use the last resort which is using Potara to create Vegito if Jiren continue to be proven "undefeated".

2017-12-20, 13:56	Link #5042
Yui Is My Wife Paper-Fan of DOOM!! Join Date: Jul 2010	"Default Human Syndrome" is really nothing new in media; it plays to audience instinctive expectations of what they want to perceive as "normal", aka "Only my tribe is normal, because anyone who isn't from my village are strangers, and therefore scary/myrsterious and therefore can't be trusted" For example; take the protagonist of Nintendo's "Ace Attorney Series", the Defense Lawyer Naruhodo Ryuichi. He has and always has been designed as a 23 year old Japanese Law-School Graduate, and no Japanese teen/kid/university student would have given a second thought that he is an Asian, because to the Japanese Gamer that is the "Default Human" Playing into that mentality, Nintendo realizes that western audiences back in the 2000s are NOT going to be generous and open minded of Naruhodo Ryuichi if he is identified and culturally coded as an Asian, so with NO changes and justifications to his still Asian Appearance, the character "Phoenix Wright" was born, whom Western Gamers readily identified with, because to them a Caucasian is the culturally indoctrianted "Default" (and therefore "normal") human. This of course applied to the rest of the cast too, most glaringly with Kirsato Mayoi the Shinto Priestess shoehorned into a "Gypsy Medium" called Maya Faye, with NO stylistic or aesthetic changes of her Shinto-Religious Background to accomodate an "American" setting; heck, they could not even bother changing the name of the Shinto Holy Symbol "Magatama", because they presumed the audience to think "hey Maya is a westerner like me because she has a western name, so its all good!" Hollywood is unfortunately until recently not even REMOTELY that generous, just expecting the audience to think "White Normal, everyone else is a rapper/junkie/bullet-shield/nerd/monster-chow/romantic-runner-up/joke and if they reject they are being spoiled-sports who are ruining it for good happy Suburban Caucasian kids." But hey, as Bob Dylan sung, "The Times Are A Changing" Never thought would live to see the day where Disney of all companies is not so pig-headedly stubborn and bone-headed, and actually bothers to TRY to gradually respect the humanities of all the ethnicities in their new productions.... ... though they STILL do stumble along the way, with Mantis existing in "Guardians of the Galaxy 2", whose ONLY purpose is to be the "meek nice Asian geeks who laughs WITH the steroid bloated macho white jock who calls her ugly all the time." Oh well, you win some you lose some. Come to think about it, after buying Fox, Disney now ALSO owns that horrid Dragonball De-Volution film too... shiver. :hehL __________________ Last edited by Yui Is My Wife; 2017-12-20 at 14:08.

2017-12-22, 12:17	Link #5048
BassGSnewtype The Sword of Darkness Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Langran, La Gias	I wondering what they plan to do with Frieza after this arc if it isn't Super's last, he's had alot more screen time and contact with the main cast more during this arc then during any other he appeared in. __________________ Explain it to my *Bear Knuckles!!*

2017-12-23, 20:07	Link #5049
n0m@n C-Z Join Date: Jan 2011	This episode was better than I thought. I was imagining it to be a child's play before the real deal (U11). But the U3's last resort was more dangerous than I thought. Who would have thought the remaining five U7 fighters would have to go all out and do a combined attack to defeat that monster. Spoiler for U3: And lol at the GoD of U3. He was just a dwarf inside a robot who could speak normally. With this there's only 2 Universe left now: U7 and U11. Though U7 still have 5 fighters (Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Freeza, 17) the U3 has 3. The Beerus-looking guy seems like he can be handled by any of the current U7 fighters while Toppo can be takedown by any of Goku, Vegeta, or Freeza. Though from the preview it seems like Vegeta will be the next one to go.

2017-12-23, 23:23	Link #5051
BassGSnewtype The Sword of Darkness Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Langran, La Gias	All hell's about to break loose. Frieza, 17, Goku, Gohan and Vegeta vs Toppo, Dyspo and last but not least Jiren....TIME TO ROCK...in 2 weeks. __________________ Explain it to my *Bear Knuckles!!*

2017-12-23, 23:52	Link #5053
BassGSnewtype The Sword of Darkness Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Langran, La Gias	It's a clear sign he's might gain UI of his own, maybe. __________________ Explain it to my *Bear Knuckles!!*

2017-12-20, 14:09	Link #5043
RDNexus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Age: 36	Oh, please, zip it. You're dumping your ideologies into something that has no need of that. Never have I deemed others as less than myself, nor do I have a desire to do so. Don't make me (or anyone else here) into something that I'm not. I still remember your deal with the U2 female warriors, so you have problems to deal with. Have a nice day.

2017-12-23, 21:09	Link #5050
Mad Pierrot Corrupted fool Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: I'm everywhere Age: 33	Looks like we have reached the climax. Still, I read that next week there will not be an episode due to holidays

2017-12-23, 23:36	Link #5052
Sixth Hu Tao Join Date: Oct 2006	That was hell a twist that there was an imp or something like that in the GoD U3, and it even can talk! Aniraza is definitely a monster that inspired by the DBZ movies. It was nice to see that DBS is slowly integrating movie characters or monsters from DBZ movies into a dragon ball canon/lore. LOL at the preview...that Vegeta managed to land a clean hit on Jiren without UI. Overall it was a good episode. At least in this ToP, there were at least 2 characters are definitely fit to be a raid boss for the DB video games (Aniraza and GIANT Magical Girl Ribrianne)

2017-12-24, 00:25	Link #5055
vietthai96 The Saiyan God Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Vietnam Age: 27	I see him just rather go all-out like no tomorrow, beside i don't see Jiren are in pain from the attack. And no UI for Vegeta i swear __________________

2017-12-24, 01:14	Link #5058
vietthai96 The Saiyan God Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Vietnam Age: 27	Oh we have some episode of Meanwhile Edit: I ship them __________________ Last edited by vietthai96; 2017-12-24 at 02:22.

2017-12-24, 08:02	Link #5059
Mad Pierrot Corrupted fool Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: I'm everywhere Age: 33

2017-12-24, 08:32	Link #5060
Ramero 7th Order Knight / Hermit Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: St. Celestina	At least my prediction went bullseye that Universe 11 is the last opponent knowing that Jiren is "untouchable" right now and he's even ready to fight in prime condition again after his meditation. I think that prediction will be Dyspo vs No. 17, Vegeta vs Toppo and Jiren vs Goku. Still, i do hope that Beerus will use the last resort which is using Potara to create Vegito if Jiren continue to be proven "undefeated".