2010-09-23, 11:44 | Link #41 |
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First off, the idea that Ghibli is in financial straits is ludicrous. While their films are expensive to make, they also have ridiculous and enduring popularity in Japan and the accompanying sales figures to go with that. They're already so popular there that there's no realistic way of improving on that. The only way the studio can have problems money-wise would have to come down to incompetence.
Since that's not too likely, the complaint about Ghibli's position is more likely to be about their inability to find much success in North America. Here, the problem is probably more due to the fact that CGI animation is what's bringing people theatres nowadays. Even Disney's own try at 2D animation, 2009's The Princess and the Frog did poorly at the boxoffice, so why should Ghibli expect to do well? As is, they're trying to release a product that isn't well suited for North American audiences, that hasn't received decades of publicity, and that's in a format people no longer watch en masse. The other problem is the one that's pointed out in this thread. I love Ghibli's older works, but I haven't been compelled to watch anything from them since Spirited Away came out. When such a storied studio can't stir my interest, then the problem would seem to be the quality of their actual product.
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2010-09-23, 22:49 | Link #43 |
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I was hearing that Ghbli contracts with Disney includes a theatrical release before the DVD/BD release. The stuff gets a limited theatrical release. Even Tales of Earthsea that was panned got a theatrical release in the US. I think that Disney is doing enough. They shouldn't be expected to go under for Ghibli. If their movies can't make it here in the theaters, then Ghibli needs to get a clue and release straight to DVD/BD in the US.
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2010-09-24, 12:53 | Link #44 | |
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@orion I think I'd hate that (releasing straight to BD/DVD - though admittedly, I'm not in the US), because it really was quite magical seeing the Borrower Arrietty on the big screen, and I'd hope fans all around the world will have the chance to do the same for future Ghibli films. @FlavorOfLife The Borrower Arrietty seems to be enjoying a good reception in Japan, so it doesn't seem like the Ghibli's going to downsize anytime soon. A couple of films are apparently in development, and Miyazaki himself is contracted for two more.
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2010-09-26, 03:36 | Link #45 | |
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People did point out that Ghibli is hardly in financial trouble, which is a good point. Now Ghibli's trouble is that it seems to lack direction. Ghibli=Miyazaki in most cases. When Miyazaki leaves, what follows? As opposed to Disney, Pixar and classic Warner Bros studios, there doesn't seem to be a true rearing of directors at the studio. Can Ghibli afford to go in drastically different direction with an outside director. Ghibli to me seems like Disney, I assume when people see Ghibli films they expect to see something Miyazaki like. If they deviate from that formula, they could be in trouble if not done right. Anyway what I say stands, until America changes it's tune FROM THE INSIDE, no one should count on major slack being pulled from the US market, EVAR! |
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It's not going to happen when the US itself has seemed to have lost interest in 2D animation.
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2010-09-27, 08:12 | Link #47 | |
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Ghibli will be back. I will merely sit back and watch the company do their work.
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2010-10-04, 04:52 | Link #49 |
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I liked Howl's Moving Castle too for its whimsicalness and voice acting, granted it wasn't the best thing that came out of Ghibli. Convoluted plot is convoluted, then again the novel it was based on was even worse so I guess there was not much saving it on that front.
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2011-08-16, 11:02 | Link #50 |
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It seems we have a thread for most of the major anime studios, except Ghibli.
For lack of a better place, I'll link this CNN interview with Hayao Miyazaki to this thread. It is particularly relevant because Miyazaki discussed the philosophy behind Studio Ghibli's existence. The interview aired just last weekend (Aug 12, Fri). There was actually a later half in which Miyazaki talked briefly about his son Goro's decision to become an animation director, but it seems that clip has not been uploaded, not even by CNN. |
2011-08-16, 11:55 | Link #51 | |
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If Ghibli still insist in producing movies after H. Miyazaki left, I think it will be dark age for them, just like Disney in the 80s after the old Walt died. Still, Disney was able to succeed and brought Renaissance to their company due to their fresh talents. The question is, could Ghibli do the same later in the future? |
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2011-08-16, 12:05 | Link #52 |
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I liked how he called his works "his children", but added the twist of how they "grew up and left me". That was pretty poetic, I thought.
It's also encouraging that, it seems, he hopes to personally help create at least one more animated feature film. That being said, I think that what 4Tran said almost a year ago on this thread is correct: It's very hard to sell 2D animated feature films in the modern North American marketplace. For whatever reason, most movie-goers seem to consider them inherently inferior to CGI 3D (or 3D-esque) animated films. It's unfortunate, especially for somebody like myself, who genuinely prefers 2D animated films to CGI 3D-esque animated films at an aesthetic level.
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2011-08-16, 12:36 | Link #53 | |
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Sounds familiar? It should. The theme of fighting against inevitable extinction is echoed in several Miyazaki films and screenplays, most recently in Karigurashi no Arrietty, in which the Borrowers are a dying race that would nevertheless keep on living life to the fullest as long as they are able. This leitmotif has permeated much of Miyazaki's work since the culmination of the Nausicaa manga, where the theme first gained full expression. |
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2013-01-29, 04:01 | Link #54 |
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Ok, what the hell has happened to Ghibli?
Their films from 20th century were good. But stuff now, except SA, has poopoo story. Like Ponyo, the story was way too thin, and the ending seemed rushed. Most of the movie wasnt following the story at all, just showing interactions between Ponyo and the kid. The conflict isn't even addresed as much as needed to be of any emotional impact, really. Most of the movie just seemed to be about amazing animation. So why make a film and claim it's great when all that's good is visuals and music? If a film has a bad story or no story or neglects its story, it's a bad film, unfortunately. The story really feels like an afterthought to showing Ponyo's antics. I noticed this problem also with Howls Moving Castle, but not as bad as Ponyo. Too much scenes full of great visual but devoid of any substance. |
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Not gonna defend ponyo since it's not among my favorite ghiblis though I did feel like I got my money's worth just for the character interaction alone. Not ghibli but a movie like Redline completely neglects its story in favor of visuals and I love it,hell I even appreciate there being little story,it doesn't need one. By saying that movies with no stories are bad you're calling all movies that accord more importance to character interaction rather than plot bad, Only Yesterday has a razor thin plot yet it's one of my favorite ghibli movie.
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2013-01-29, 04:36 | Link #57 |
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Uh, Ghibli doesn't sell moe. Their audience is the general public, the family-friendly general public. The moe phenomenon has nothing to do with it. Miyazaki even looks down on it, inferring from his general distaste of the overall anime industry.
If anything, barring the question of succession which was present for more than a decade already, Ghibli is doing fine. Each new Ghibli film still dominate box offices in Japan at release, and although people admit they don't quite hit the epic notes they did with Princess Mononoke or Spirited Away. So long as they look, sound, and feel as good as they do, hitting all the right notes of nostalgia and yearning for rural nature among the Japanese public... As for their recent efforts, I liked Arrietty, even if not as much as I loved Spirited Away. It was directed by a young director, too, although still scripted by Miyazaki. _________ And just FYI for people who don't pay much attention to dates: The thread is necro'd by Kudryavka, three posts above me. Nothing wrong with that, but people should know and don't respond to a conversation that ended eons ago when the sun was young and the world was green. |
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Character interaction is fine, but in Ponyo it didnt really help the story after a point. And I dont like movies that are just a showcase of animation. I think you should make theatre shorts or straight to DVD movies if you wanna make movie with little plot. Or do something like Fantasia. Quote:
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2013-01-29, 04:39 | Link #59 |
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^I'm blaming what? "Nothing wrong with that" means, well, exactly it means. People just have tendencies to miss the date and someone will probably quote TRL's one year old post if I don't write that in bold.
Besides, on your opinion about what belongs where, why should they even listen to you and miss all the money they make in box offices each time they release the so-called animation showcases to the Japanese public? |
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If you're unsure about creating a new thread or bringing back an old one you can always ask a mod which one they'd rather have you do before doing something,it's worked for me before.
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