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Old 2014-05-24, 08:58   Link #81
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My thoughts. The Yotsuba deny Tatsuya at every turn. They don't even acknowledge him as part of their family. If the Saegusa were to give Tatsuya good enough terms (for example full support in his research, protecting Miyuki, etc...) Tatsuya could do whatever he wants even if he doesn't ever regain the ability to romantically love someone. The Saegusa have research from 2 of the magic research labs which is something that would be quite valuable to Tatsuya.
You forgot if Miyuki will allow Tatsuya to be married off.She only has the right to dismiss Tatsuya as her guardian,even Maya can't force him to leave Miyuki's side.

I wonder who the other candidates must be,as Mayumi seems to be not interested with both Katsuto and Hirofumi.
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Old 2014-05-24, 11:23   Link #82
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In Volume 12

“You didn’t understand? Katsuto-kun seems to have noticed already.”
Mayumi slightly shook her head and hid her discontented, teeth-clenched face from Koichi’s vision.
“As expected, Katsuto-kun has much higher tolerance than Hirofumi-kun.”

Hirofumi referred to the oldest son of the Itsuwa Family, “Itsuwa Hirofumi”. The Itsuwa Family wished for Mayumi to marry Hirofumi. Koichi had intended to compare Hirofumi with Katsuto, but fortunately such words never reached Mayumi’s ears.
I've read the quote, but what are you trying to say with this? That he was indeed comparing the two and weighing his options, that he ranks Katsuto over Hiroumi in his mind as a marriage partner, or both?

As for this scenario, its just a personal opinion of mine but I think Hirofumi would rank higher in his mind. Katsuto has clashed with Koichi before, and from whats given of Koichi's character he likes to manipulate and control, and he would do neither with Katsuto. I have no doubt that he would have more respect for Katsuto, but it would count as a negative in this. It's a political marriage after all, its only for gain.

That said, I think Mayumi and Katsuto would make a better couple. Hirofumi is, well, unimpressive to put it mildly.

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Old 2014-05-24, 11:34   Link #83
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Mayumi has been on many dates with Hirofume, yet they are not engaged. so this assumption is incorrect.
They didn't just usually see each other at parties and are dating?Must re-read again the series
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Old 2014-05-24, 11:55   Link #84
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Mayumi has been on many dates with Hirofume, yet they are not engaged. so this assumption is incorrect.
Doesn't Hirofume only appear and really talked about in Ln 11, The Ojou-sama's Magnificent Day Off?

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To tell the truth, the conditions were the same with the Juumonji clan’s Katsuto, and Kouichi was thinking about which one he wanted to marry Mayumi off to. (The Ichijou clan’s Masaki was excluded because he was younger than Mayumi.)

Of course, the people in question had their own opinions on the matter and there were other arranged marriage talks that hadn't quite become engagements; however, Mayumi and Hirofumi often dined together and went to the theater together in a family setting with both the Saegusa and Itsuwa clans. —Despite the expectations of the adults, the pair themselves weren’t interested, hence the mutual poker faces.

However, always ‘silently going along’ only made their moods worsen, which was something Mayumi knew quite well.
Not sure if that's a date since its said they dined in a family setting.
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Old 2014-05-24, 12:44   Link #85
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^Probably another reason as to why the twins/or one of the twins feel threaten with Tatsuya
since they probably saw how Mayumi is with them during those meetings with other candidate/s
and how she's all defenseless in front of Tatsuya...

somehow feel her engagement to whoever it is will play a major role in Mayumi's charac dev.
and a hope that the said engagement will fall apart (even if it is with Tatsuya esp if the reason is of political manner)
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Old 2014-05-24, 18:40   Link #86
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I've read the quote, but what are you trying to say with this? That he was indeed comparing the two and weighing his options, that he ranks Katsuto over Hiroumi in his mind as a marriage partner, or both?

As for this scenario, its just a personal opinion of mine but I think Hirofumi would rank higher in his mind. Katsuto has clashed with Koichi before, and from whats given of Koichi's character he likes to manipulate and control, and he would do neither with Katsuto. I have no doubt that he would have more respect for Katsuto, but it would count as a negative in this. It's a political marriage after all, its only for gain.

That said, I think Mayumi and Katsuto would make a better couple. Hirofumi is, well, unimpressive to put it mildly.
Yes in that quote means Katsuto is more difficult to manipulate because Katsuto has much Higher Tolerance.
That's why Koichi choose Hirofumi.
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Old 2014-05-24, 19:38   Link #87
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^Probably another reason as to why the twins/or one of the twins feel threaten with Tatsuya
since they probably saw how Mayumi is with them during those meetings with other candidate/s
and how she's all defenseless in front of Tatsuya...

somehow feel her engagement to whoever it is will play a major role in Mayumi's charac dev.
and a hope that the said engagement will fall apart (even if it is with Tatsuya esp if the reason is of political manner)
Now this is an interesting observation. I didn't pay much attention to the Mayumi/hirofume "dates" being with their families involved. but if so, then her sisters would definitely notice Mayumi's displeasure very easily. So I guess it must be a big shock to them seeing how she acts around Tatsuya lol.
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Old 2014-05-25, 01:09   Link #88
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Yes in that quote means Katsuto is more difficult to manipulate because Katsuto has much Higher Tolerance.
That's why Koichi choose Hirofumi.
he didn't chose anyone yet. Thing is there are still stuff we don't know in the story.

For example koichi knows about tatsuya being a part of the 101st battalion that has ties to the yotsuba.
Now we can assume giving his status and connections and his personality that he most likely knows that tatsuya is a yotsuba. He also asked mayuni to bring the siblings over to the main house, more like a pretext to bring tatsuya over.
Thing is from what we know so far and from the retsu and koichi discussions it seems tatsuya's name pops up frequently so i think their whole plan is revolved around him.
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Old 2014-05-25, 03:49   Link #89
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he didn't chose anyone yet. Thing is there are still stuff we don't know in the story.

For example koichi knows about tatsuya being a part of the 101st battalion that has ties to the yotsuba.
Now we can assume giving his status and connections and his personality that he most likely knows that tatsuya is a yotsuba. He also asked mayuni to bring the siblings over to the main house, more like a pretext to bring tatsuya over.
Thing is from what we know so far and from the retsu and koichi discussions it seems tatsuya's name pops up frequently so i think their whole plan is revolved around him.
Koichi wants someone that will always support him and that person is Hirofumi.
he's easy to manipulate and he will always support Koichi if Mayumi become his wife.

Katsuto is no good because his strong sense of justice, he won't obey Koichi if that's againts morality and public safety.
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Old 2014-05-25, 04:02   Link #90
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Koichi wants someone that will always support him and that person is Hirofumi.
he's easy to manipulate and he will always support Koichi if Mayumi become his wife.

Katsuto is no good because his strong sense of justice, he won't obey Koichi if that's againts morality and public safety.
True about hirofumi, its true he is easier to control but that also is a draw back because when push comes to shove he's gonna be useless.

I still say koichi is after tatsuya for mayumi, mayumi is what 19 years old she will be 20 soon so if Koichi was so hell bent on hirofumi the wedding would've been a done deal by now. But so far it seems he is holding mayumi for something else and one other character that fits the bill is tatsuya. I`m not saying it will work but he will definitely try it.
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Old 2014-05-25, 04:23   Link #91
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True about hirofumi, its true he is easier to control but that also is a draw back because when push comes to shove he's gonna be useless.

I still say koichi is after tatsuya for mayumi, mayumi is what 19 years old she will be 20 soon so if Koichi was so hell bent on hirofumi the wedding would've been a done deal by now. But so far it seems he is holding mayumi for something else and one other character that fits the bill is tatsuya. I`m not saying it will work but he will definitely try it.
Hirofumi will be the head from Itsuwa Family. as a 10 MC family, at least he has all support and resources from his clan.
maybe Koichi is waiting for the Ten Master Clans Selection Hearing next year. he want to make sure if Itsuwa is still in the main 10 MC.
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Old 2014-05-25, 05:00   Link #92
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Hirofumi will be the head from Itsuwa Family. as a 10 MC family, at least he has all support and resources from his clan.
maybe Koichi is waiting for the Ten Master Clans Selection Hearing next year. he want to make sure if Itsuwa is still in the main 10 MC.
true, thing is itsuwa clan is only in 10MC because Mio is a strategic magician, without her they are maybe in the 18 families.
But i guess you are right about waiting to marry mayumi to anyone until the ten master clan selection, thats the best way to decide about this since he get's to see who is the best fit for his daughter.

That's why i still think tats is in the cards for mayumi , i have a feeling that tatsuyas identity as an yotsuba and his magic power will be revealed at the 10MC selection.
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Old 2014-05-26, 21:06   Link #93
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Do you need to be worthy of something to be in couple with someone? I explained why I like Mayumi and that pairing in an earlier post anyway.
You need to be worthy of your partner. Not some unidentified "something".

That's why people say "love makes you better": You try to become worthy of your partner.

That's my personal opinion.

Beside, my question means both ways: either she is worse than Tatsuya, or she is better than him.


And either way, i think they are mismatch. That's why i ask that question. I'm curious.
To me, she is fun for me because she is not his GF.
What's your view?
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Old 2014-05-27, 21:41   Link #94
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And either way, i think they are mismatch. That's why i ask that question. I'm curious.
To me, she is fun for me because she is not his GF.
What's your view?
That's exactly the contrary for me. But for me it's already hard for me to imagine Tatsuya and pretty much every character in a couple with anyone. Even for characters confirmed to be in love with another, the relations stayed steady for too long with many characters.
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Old 2014-05-28, 03:25   Link #95
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You need to be worthy of your partner. Not some unidentified "something".

That's why people say "love makes you better": You try to become worthy of your partner.

That's my personal opinion.

Beside, my question means both ways: either she is worse than Tatsuya, or she is better than him.


And either way, i think they are mismatch. That's why i ask that question. I'm curious.
To me, she is fun for me because she is not his GF.
What's your view?
Lol we've discuss this already way back in the golden age.

But if you want someone like that; you already know the answer. As a matter of fact there are two of them.
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Old 2014-05-28, 18:38   Link #96
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Lol we've discuss this already way back in the golden age.

But if you want someone like that; you already know the answer. As a matter of fact there are two of them.
Well, i am not even sure when is the golden age.
And i don't even have any memories regarding Mayumi....
All are allocated for Erika and Miyuki.
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Old 2014-05-28, 18:51   Link #97
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Lol we've discuss this already way back in the golden age.

But if you want someone like that; you already know the answer. As a matter of fact there are two of them.
Mayumi and Lina ?
well .i known your answer already
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Old 2014-05-28, 20:11   Link #98
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^Probably another reason as to why the twins/or one of the twins feel threaten with Tatsuya
since they probably saw how Mayumi is with them during those meetings with other candidate/s
and how she's all defenseless in front of Tatsuya...

somehow feel her engagement to whoever it is will play a major role in Mayumi's charac dev.
and a hope that the said engagement will fall apart (even if it is with Tatsuya esp if the reason is of political manner)
go the Highschool DxD way? lol barge in declare her his dual and win against bachelor take's girl home.
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not exactly DXD way but the method of Tatsuya being engage to Mayumi by political reason has no chance of lasting...
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Old 2014-05-29, 15:52   Link #100
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not exactly DXD way but the method of Tatsuya being engage to Mayumi by political reason has no chance of lasting...
Nothing with Tatsuya has much if any chance of lasting if he doesn't regain strong emotions. Something political with benefits to Tatsuya is the only real option if he was ever to get married.
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