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elior · 2013-12-15, 05:10

Spoiler for episode 46 title:

yes finally we will know the truth

Guido · 2013-12-18, 10:44

In contrast to other episodes where and when Cure Ace made a relevant standing onscreen, she behaved tamed in this one. Nonetheless, the flashbacks exploring about the circumstances on her birth were very welcomed, particularly the drama. Her past made me to reformulate my previous theory:

Spoiler:

Seems like the forty-fourth episode will be the last one involving the MOTW format before the plot switches to the last story arc.

elior · 2013-12-19, 01:29

Spoiler for final episodes titles:

sound like we will have a twist at the final episodes

Guido · 2013-12-21, 12:09

A beautifully written episode that broke a few clichéd tropes established in previous Pretty Cure seasons. For starters, Cure Diamond shone the most appealing to Regina that they are connected to Mana even when being far away, and also for Regina to admit that, indeed, she loves Mana.
Normally, I would dislike the trope of appeasing then befriending the villain with words alone due not only it is clichéd to me but also comes as cheap that no effort was previously invested, and the villain becomes goody-goody in an instant just because he or she listened to the words of the heroine. This has not been the case in Doki Doki, because all girls have been previously acquainted at a personal level with Regina and made their individual efforts to reach her in the later episodes. The drama exchange was so tender and more so when Regina blushed out of embarrassment to admit that she loves Mana that I sobbed.
Moreover, the Cure proved to the Jikochuu that even when separated they're strong and self-reliant. Usually in the earlier PreCure seasons if at least one Cure got separated from the group then a significant drop in the other Cure's performance and power became noticeable, although their feelings for her missing comrade remain connected and strong.

Thankfully, Doki Doki broke with that trope in this episode, and Cure Diamond & the others completely turnaround the tide without needing for Cure Heart to be present except when delivering their finisher move.
It also felt nice that Joe came to free Cure Heart from that cage, because it shows that Cure Heart needs as well a helping hand from time to time in order to get out of sticky situations, as well.

Another thing for me to take note about is that Regina clearly thought that strategy to separate Mana from the group through and through, covering even all little details. Why? The rest of the girls didn't know that the King of Student Council Speech Contest was just a fluke elaborated by Regina, until she and her henchmen told them about it when all engaged in battle at the plaza. They fell for the bait, because Regina was smart enough with the little details like making everyone know in town about the contest through flyers and propaganda. Had Regina only had the flyers handed to the girls, then eventually the girls would have found about the scam sooner by bringing casually the topic to their fellow classmates, and they would have reacted startled and surprised replying they never heard about such contest before.
Secondly, unlike Bel failing miserably to impersonate Joe six episodes back, both Marmo and Iras' disguises were very convincing that they had me fooled the first time they showed up at Mana's doorstep. It wasn't until she unsuspectingly went to the contest with them that immediately an epiphany struck me and figured out their identities.

darkchibi07 · 2013-12-21, 14:09

Is it just me or we way beyond subtext at this point? At this point on Doki Doki Precure may end up being the best harem series of 2013!

mewvampire · 2013-12-21, 14:42

I love doki doki precure especially mana

DGDCOne · 2013-12-21, 15:26

Why do I have a feeling that Regina and Aguri are sisters.

If you think about it Aguri got the same hair style as Regina or is it just me.

elior · 2013-12-21, 19:01

Spoiler for episode 45:

Guido · 2013-12-22, 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGDCOne

Why do I have a feeling that Regina and Aguri are sisters.

If you think about it Aguri got the same hair style as Regina or is it just me.

That's what I theorized at first, and I am resisting the urge to read the spoilers until watching the whole truth in the forty-fifth episode.

elior · 2013-12-29, 04:02

finally episode 45 was subbed and it seems they are the souls of marie ange regina is the darkness and ace is the light.what i was suprised is that it was lie all along that the queen in the ice

Laevatein · 2013-12-29, 20:29

Was there an episode yesterday, or was it a break for the New Year period?

Tatiana Razajev · 2013-12-29, 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laevatein

Was there an episode yesterday, or was it a break for the New Year period?

There was no episode yesterday. They took a break this week. The next 4 weeks will all have episodes since this is a 49 episode series & the next series will start in February on time, I think.

In any case, I'm glad the series didn't "waste" all the hints they were dropping about a connection between those 4. Having Aguri look like Regina & Ace look like Ange had to have a purpose.

Guido · 2014-01-01, 14:10

Happy New Year!

Three days ago I watched the forty-fifth episode.

This episode showed to me the very reason as to why the PreCure do not fight for destiny and/or revenge, because it is depressing. It was simply sad and depressing that Aguri held no other way of thinking but fighting Regina until the end due to fate.
Mana, being the cheery and good-will girl that she is, always tries to bring win-to-win situations for everyone whether be friends, family, or completely strangers.

Even if it did not have as much impact on me for Joe to discover and retrieve the Golden Crown, nonetheless, I'm glad he's back again in the storyline.

Furthermore, I'm very excited to see what happens on the next episode, because the preview to me pointed out that they are going to reveal the origin. That is that the fates for both Marie Ange and King Jikochuu are intertwined, or that's what I'm thinking right now.

elior · 2014-01-05, 03:05

Spoiler for episode 46:

Liddo-kun · 2014-01-17, 10:20

Finished 45 and 46:

Spoiler:

Looking forward to episode 47.

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkchibi07

Is it just me or we way beyond subtext at this point? At this point on Doki Doki Precure may end up being the best harem series of 2013!

It can't become harem - because Regina is selfish, would not share Mana with the others

Guido · 2014-01-17, 21:53

I was worried because for almost two weeks straight no one else stopped by to continue discussion in this thread, until today.

This Sunday the second last episode airs, and I'm still about one episode behind from the conclusion, so I'll see how can I catch up.

Ok. Watched the forty-sixth episode, and both the drama and story behind the birth of Aguri and Regina, and the creation of King Jikochuu exceeded my expectations.
The only thing that I felt uncomfortable was the cause behind Ange's death sickness. I do understand and can't be helped about magical solutions, but the thing with the sealed darkness conveniently making Ange go ill was too much for my suspension of disbelief to handle; they created a magical problem in order to move onto the direction with the King choosing to retrieve the Crown and releasing the darkness in order to save Ange.

BTW, what I understood after watching this episode is that all the PreCure came to terms that love can either be selfish or selfless, depending on what or to whom those feelings are being projected upon.
We are already familiar with those fantasy stories about selfless heroes and heroines ultimately triumphing against evil, because they come to grow loving the rest of the world and the people living in it.
They usually sell the trope that the more the antagonist is selfish, then the more the antagonist is going to have everything ending bad for him, her, or it. I wouldn't disagree, though I believe is important to apply some degree of flexibility.

Selfish and selflessness are not necessarily good or bad things in an absolute scale, if a balance can be properly reached. After all, we need a degree of selfishness in order to maintain our survival instinct running, as well as needing a degree of selflessness to be able to open up relationships with other people.

Both the King and Princess Ange faced a tough choice, and they despaired a lot on what course of action to take. Personally, I liked better Ange's outcome, because she instead made a third choice or alternative between two extremes and split her heart between her selfish and selfless sides; an action that gave birth to both Regina and Aguri.

I'm very much looking forward to the next episode, and the girls are going to definitely win Regina back to their side and turning King Jikochuu back to the King.

Witched · 2014-01-18, 19:57

Last week's episode felt underwhelming compared to this week's episode (48).

Spoiler for Episode 48:

AGear2Ax · 2014-01-19, 00:38

It seems that precure, super sentai and kamen rider, all share some ideas for the show

All three recently had an underling of the big boss becoming the real final boss. Anyways, this show will end and they teased us with two more enemy generals and never used them... Will they appear in the manga or in any other media?

Hiroshi Amearai · 2014-01-19, 02:14

^ Maybe in the movie or something. They did the same with Heartcatch

AGear2Ax · 2014-01-19, 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiroshi Amearai

^ Maybe in the movie or something. They did the same with Heartcatch

They did the same on Heartcatch? If I remember well, I think in the october movie they showed other desert apostles, but in the october movie of DokiDoki they introduced the other two Jikochuu generals. So, maybe they are indeed manga-only

2013-12-15, 05:10	Link #781
elior Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	Spoiler for episode 46 title: episode 46:Ace and Regina - the truth of birth yes finally we will know the truth

2013-12-18, 10:44	Link #782
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Episode 43. To the Person Precious to Me! Aguri's Parents Day at School! In contrast to other episodes where and when Cure Ace made a relevant standing onscreen, she behaved tamed in this one. Nonetheless, the flashbacks exploring about the circumstances on her birth were very welcomed, particularly the drama. Her past made me to reformulate my previous theory: Spoiler: Aguri and Regina, indeed, have some connection, but which Ange is not involved with. What I can think of it are two possibilities: 1. Aguri and Regina are actually sisters separated from birth. I mean I have watched closely, and the two share a few physical traits in common. BTW, it is not farfetch'd for me to come up that Regina did some instantaneous growin-up from baby to teen girl thanks to King Jikochuu's magic. The same happened to Aguri, and comes when she transfroms into Cure Ace. 2. Aguri and Regina were previously one and single entity but due to unknown circumstances got split into two separate entities, each with their own personalities. Seems like the forty-fourth episode will be the last one involving the MOTW format before the plot switches to the last story arc.

2013-12-19, 01:29	Link #783
elior Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	Spoiler for final episodes titles: episode 47: Cure Heart's Determination I Promise to Protect You episode 48:Full Throttle Doki-Doki! PreCure VS King Jikochu episode 49eliver It To You! My Sweet Heart: King Jikochu has fallen, and the King of the Trump Kingdom has managed to be rescued. But, a black Psyche from King Jikochu, the strongest Jikochu, ProtoJikochu revives sound like we will have a twist at the final episodes

2013-12-21, 12:09	Link #784
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Episode 44. The Selfishness Trap! A Christmas without Mana! A beautifully written episode that broke a few clichéd tropes established in previous Pretty Cure seasons. For starters, Cure Diamond shone the most appealing to Regina that they are connected to Mana even when being far away, and also for Regina to admit that, indeed, she loves Mana. Normally, I would dislike the trope of appeasing then befriending the villain with words alone due not only it is clichéd to me but also comes as cheap that no effort was previously invested, and the villain becomes goody-goody in an instant just because he or she listened to the words of the heroine. This has not been the case in Doki Doki, because all girls have been previously acquainted at a personal level with Regina and made their individual efforts to reach her in the later episodes. The drama exchange was so tender and more so when Regina blushed out of embarrassment to admit that she loves Mana that I sobbed. Moreover, the Cure proved to the Jikochuu that even when separated they're strong and self-reliant. Usually in the earlier PreCure seasons if at least one Cure got separated from the group then a significant drop in the other Cure's performance and power became noticeable, although their feelings for her missing comrade remain connected and strong. Thankfully, Doki Doki broke with that trope in this episode, and Cure Diamond & the others completely turnaround the tide without needing for Cure Heart to be present except when delivering their finisher move. It also felt nice that Joe came to free Cure Heart from that cage, because it shows that Cure Heart needs as well a helping hand from time to time in order to get out of sticky situations, as well. Another thing for me to take note about is that Regina clearly thought that strategy to separate Mana from the group through and through, covering even all little details. Why? The rest of the girls didn't know that the King of Student Council Speech Contest was just a fluke elaborated by Regina, until she and her henchmen told them about it when all engaged in battle at the plaza. They fell for the bait, because Regina was smart enough with the little details like making everyone know in town about the contest through flyers and propaganda. Had Regina only had the flyers handed to the girls, then eventually the girls would have found about the scam sooner by bringing casually the topic to their fellow classmates, and they would have reacted startled and surprised replying they never heard about such contest before. Secondly, unlike Bel failing miserably to impersonate Joe six episodes back, both Marmo and Iras' disguises were very convincing that they had me fooled the first time they showed up at Mana's doorstep. It wasn't until she unsuspectingly went to the contest with them that immediately an epiphany struck me and figured out their identities.

2013-12-21, 14:09	Link #785
darkchibi07 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 38	Is it just me or we way beyond subtext at this point? At this point on Doki Doki Precure may end up being the best harem series of 2013! __________________

2013-12-21, 14:42	Link #786
mewvampire vampires Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: cross academy Age: 24	I love doki doki precure especially mana

2013-12-21, 15:26	Link #787
DGDCOne Memoria Vice Captain Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: United Kingdom Age: 33	Why do I have a feeling that Regina and Aguri are sisters. If you think about it Aguri got the same hair style as Regina or is it just me. __________________

2013-12-21, 19:01	Link #788
elior Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	Spoiler for episode 45: episode 45 been great and the truth finally been revealed at the end of the episode regina is shadowof marie ange Last edited by elior; 2013-12-22 at 03:16.

2013-12-29, 04:02	Link #790
elior Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	finally episode 45 was subbed and it seems they are the souls of marie ange regina is the darkness and ace is the light.what i was suprised is that it was lie all along that the queen in the ice Last edited by elior; 2013-12-29 at 04:19.

2013-12-29, 20:29	Link #791
Laevatein Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007	Was there an episode yesterday, or was it a break for the New Year period?

2014-01-01, 14:10	Link #793
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Episode 45. The Fated Duel! Ace VS Regina! Happy New Year! Three days ago I watched the forty-fifth episode. This episode showed to me the very reason as to why the PreCure do not fight for destiny and/or revenge, because it is depressing. It was simply sad and depressing that Aguri held no other way of thinking but fighting Regina until the end due to fate. Mana, being the cheery and good-will girl that she is, always tries to bring win-to-win situations for everyone whether be friends, family, or completely strangers. Even if it did not have as much impact on me for Joe to discover and retrieve the Golden Crown, nonetheless, I'm glad he's back again in the storyline. Furthermore, I'm very excited to see what happens on the next episode, because the preview to me pointed out that they are going to reveal the origin. That is that the fates for both Marie Ange and King Jikochuu are intertwined, or that's what I'm thinking right now.

2014-01-05, 03:05	Link #794
elior Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	Spoiler for episode 46: so the truth was that queen ange was became ai after sperate her hear into 2 light and darkness regina and aguri

2014-01-17, 21:53	Link #796
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Episode 46. Ace and Regina! The Truth of Their Births! I was worried because for almost two weeks straight no one else stopped by to continue discussion in this thread, until today. This Sunday the second last episode airs, and I'm still about one episode behind from the conclusion, so I'll see how can I catch up. Ok. Watched the forty-sixth episode, and both the drama and story behind the birth of Aguri and Regina, and the creation of King Jikochuu exceeded my expectations. The only thing that I felt uncomfortable was the cause behind Ange's death sickness. I do understand and can't be helped about magical solutions, but the thing with the sealed darkness conveniently making Ange go ill was too much for my suspension of disbelief to handle; they created a magical problem in order to move onto the direction with the King choosing to retrieve the Crown and releasing the darkness in order to save Ange. BTW, what I understood after watching this episode is that all the PreCure came to terms that love can either be selfish or selfless, depending on what or to whom those feelings are being projected upon. We are already familiar with those fantasy stories about selfless heroes and heroines ultimately triumphing against evil, because they come to grow loving the rest of the world and the people living in it. They usually sell the trope that the more the antagonist is selfish, then the more the antagonist is going to have everything ending bad for him, her, or it. I wouldn't disagree, though I believe is important to apply some degree of flexibility. Selfish and selflessness are not necessarily good or bad things in an absolute scale, if a balance can be properly reached. After all, we need a degree of selfishness in order to maintain our survival instinct running, as well as needing a degree of selflessness to be able to open up relationships with other people. Both the King and Princess Ange faced a tough choice, and they despaired a lot on what course of action to take. Personally, I liked better Ange's outcome, because she instead made a third choice or alternative between two extremes and split her heart between her selfish and selfless sides; an action that gave birth to both Regina and Aguri. I'm very much looking forward to the next episode, and the girls are going to definitely win Regina back to their side and turning King Jikochuu back to the King.

2014-01-18, 19:57	Link #797
Witched Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011	Last week's episode felt underwhelming compared to this week's episode (48). Spoiler for Episode 48: The lack of stock attacks and Mega Lance made my day... Even though the despair levels ain't high enough.

2014-01-19, 00:38	Link #798
AGear2Ax ClearMind Join Date: Jul 2008	It seems that precure, super sentai and kamen rider, all share some ideas for the show All three recently had an underling of the big boss becoming the real final boss. Anyways, this show will end and they teased us with two more enemy generals and never used them... Will they appear in the manga or in any other media? __________________ After my departure, the truth behind my words will be revealed.

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Hiroshi Amearai Nuclear Fusion Join Date: May 2010	^ Maybe in the movie or something. They did the same with Heartcatch __________________