2011-09-16, 06:59 | Link #1282 | ||
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I assume the fight was happened in the urban area, thus Irish & co. naturally has advantage using civilian building as both shield and restriction (an IS is about twice as large as normal human). It'll be more of (deadly) Hide and seek game with our beloved terrorist using well-hidden weapons around the location and shooting Ichika & co, who fight not to kill but to capture. So, with combination of proper tactics, it'll took a lot of time to catch them. EthernalRain seems well versed in Infantry tactic, so you may consult him about that one. Frontal assault is way too suicidal, remember. EDIT: London's age of criminality is 10, even then, I believe there'll be compromise for Irish and his teenage comrades (who is a war orphan and raised by anti-IS terrorist so from certain point of view did not have a choice). Irish' adult comrades might not have a chance to redeem and might be sent to jail for years...
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2011-09-16, 07:29 | Link #1283 |
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Thanks for the advice Zero and Box. Using civilian buildings for cover had slipped my mind, I'll get started on chapter three soon once I work out all the kinks so please review and give feedback on it once I complete it.
I already have a plan on what Irish will do once he's beaten (look at the previous drafts posted) and I'll have to deal with his teammates choices since not all of them would willingly choose to fight with the things they've been fighting against for the past 10 years. But I'll burn that bridge when I get there. Once again; Thank you for the help |
2011-09-16, 08:12 | Link #1286 | |
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It's seems that only generation 3+ that use energy weapon. Cecilia actually requested solid-firing weapon to counter ByakuShiki but was denied by her government. As a result, she caught in a beatdown spree every-time she's sparring with Ichika. Ling weapon is not exactly energy weapon though, it's a shockwave/ compressed air cannon. I believe it's really Izuru-sensei's mistake that Ichika is able to absorb it using Reiryaku Byakuya, but as an author, I can forgive such, because IS is more harem than SciFi. However, I'm also gonna change it in my fic to suit my understanding. P.S. however, until now I don't exactly understand how Laura's AIC works in front of newtonian physic, but Ichika use something different to counter it...within law of physic. After all, he's not Emperor Orimura for nothing
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2011-09-16, 08:25 | Link #1287 |
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Charlotte will probably be the most threatening then since Chaff grenades and EMP jammers won't affect her IS since it doesn't use energy and won't get jammed.
Any Idea how guns can be jammed other than using copious amounts of water? Once again, sorry for asking all these questions, I'm trying to avoid as much plot holes as I can. |
2011-09-16, 08:41 | Link #1289 | |
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However, as IS is designed for space exploration and all sort of radiation are common, even military grade EMP bomb (the size of 500kg dumb bomb, about the size of Laura/ Irish themselves) will only stun them for a few second until the IS can repair itself with better shielding and render other bomb useless. But you know? one second in battlefield can make a big difference. During that time, the shield is nullified and the IS structure has many cracks, you can use copious amount of water to slow their recovery speed, and then chipping their armor little by little even if pesky Assault rifle is used. Wait, did you mention Charlotte using her IS weapon? IS weapon are far too lethal and destructive, unless Chifuyu being out of character and told them to kill em all...
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2011-09-16, 08:44 | Link #1290 |
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EMP worked on the transformers? The reason I'm worried is I'm not sure if Charlottes guns will be jammed by EMP bursts since they're mechanical rather than energy based unlike everyone else.
EDIT: I know them using they're weapons are out of character but how else do they fight with Irish's team? If they're unarmed then what will they do if Irish's team goes inside a building or a subway? they can't exactly fit inside and the only person who can fight with their weapon is Rin since her shockwave can be used to stun and knock out enemies rather fillet them with holes *sigh* maybe I should have Ichika and Irish one on one while Kyuukai and his FRACTURE team fight his Teammates, that'll explain the whole willingness to fight using weaponry since Kyuukai isn't exactly a stranger to armed combat. |
2011-09-16, 08:59 | Link #1291 | |
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In fact, I suggest you write a debate between Ichika & harem (who wanted to capture them even if it cost their own safety and caused a lot of destruction) and Kyukai & team (who use efficient method to kill them all and avoid property damage) after the fight, when Ichika saw Irish teammates are obliterated. It'll pull the strain in Idealistic Ichika vs Cynical Kyuukai's relationship. Anyway, I think we should reconsider the urban combat choice. Irish should know better that he's risking the safety of the Civilians...and you know? Once a character disregarded Civ's safety, they're irredeemable. It's called Moral Event Horizon, a point where a character crossed the line. For example, better made Irish split out of his team and try to kill the IS user with less-destructive weapon like EMP bombs and low caliber gatling gun. That way, Irish is sorta different and still forgiveable, even if his actions are deemed idiotic. But first discuss this with yer beta, I believe he would know what to do, that's what beta is for, and he owns the OC to boot. Anyway, it's your story and in the end you made the choice. Edit: Shockwave? Stun? Why not, but all Irish's teammates will lose their hearing permanently due to overpessure
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2011-09-16, 09:31 | Link #1293 |
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Irish doesn't know what he's team is going to do, his job is to kidnap Cecilia which involves no civilian casualties.
Irish's team isn't exactly built on trust, since every member has a specific specialty and role they're only told what they're supposed to do and not what the other members do, only the squad leader knows everything. Irish won't know that his team is going to fight in an urban area nor the fact that innocent lives will be compromised. And also, not all the terrorists are anti-villains. Irish and some of his teammates may be redeemable but some of them are really monsters who'll sacrifice innocent lives for revenge on the IS. It's to show some black and black morality and one of the reasons why it's called "What lies in Shadow" BTW, Characters can be redeemable even if they disregard innocent lives; Just look at Accelerator from To-Aru Majutsu no Index. |
2011-09-16, 09:44 | Link #1294 | |
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However, I honestly support your Idea of Irish & co went to kidnap (thus lightly armed and less destructive, and less chance of killing innocents). The rest of terrorist who kill so many civilian can burn in FRACTURE's hands. You mean black, gray and white morality in all those place? Here's trope card for ya. Morality Kitchen Sink - Full Spectrum Color FOR GREAT JUSTICE!
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2011-09-16, 10:03 | Link #1295 | |
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The ending, see already, I can.
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Anyone's. Well... Not quite I imagined, but sweet.
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2011-09-16, 11:19 | Link #1296 |
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ZeroXSEED: Code name of a narcotic substance often used by Fanfic writers, causing strange crossover popping up around the internet and and derailing the thread three times in a week.
But seriously, someone HAS to write that. If you write that, PM me, if you're not going to use that idea, then I'm going to write it as part of Sacred Twin's back-stories. For now, Chapter 6 is 65%.
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2011-09-17, 05:36 | Link #1299 |
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I'm still finishing up the last part of my fic challenge--It's really difficult tryign to write proper drama that not only keeps the characters in-character but developing logically.
Also, I seriously want to write this. Remember that sampler I posted a few posts back? Spoiler please. Spoiler:
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