2010-04-18, 06:14 | Link #8301 |
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I'm sorry but I still don't believe in an explosion is the real cause of death. I ran over the game I don't know how many times and I don't see how an explosion is the cause of death. In other words : Knox's 8th. It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not present. and Knox's 4th. It is forbidden for unknown drugs or hard to understand scientific devices to be used. I think it was on the TIP to "trap" you. If anyone can bring up a point where a bomb can be present then that will be great.
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2010-04-18, 06:58 | Link #8302 | |
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The TIP just reinforced what has already been the only option, but you are correct that the manner of the disaster remains a speculation, since no clues pointing to it have so far been identified clearly.
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2010-04-18, 07:22 | Link #8303 | |
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I agree with you that an explosion seems a little abnormal, but whatever occurs at the end of the game looks devastating.
Ange couldn't see or get to the mansion on foot after reaching Rokkenjima either. There is a slope there, but it isn't clear if it was a natural disaster or something triggered it.. |
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2010-04-18, 07:23 | Link #8304 |
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I can't see how the TIP can be interpreted in any other way, and Ryukishi should know better than writing that thing and then pretending he never did.
Anyway what the word says is: "explosion". It never mentioned any bomb. Obviously the first thing you think of when someone says explosion is "bomb" however there are other things that can cause an explosion. The boiler room theory for example is another explanation, and personally I think it's more probable than a bomb because I find very difficult that it would be called an "accident" if it happened because of explosives. And then there is also the fact that the japanese word "爆発 " is often used in conjunction with "火山" to form the expression "火山の爆発" which means: "volcanic eruption". So don't make the mistake to think "bomb" is set in stone. @goldenglove In EP4 it is said that the books that were auctioned survived the accident because they were found in Kuwadorian. I claim this is a hint as bright as the sun that the accident is not a simple mass murder, but something that would affect the whole Mansion at the very least.
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2010-04-18, 08:17 | Link #8305 |
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Were the books found at Kuwadorian? Hmmm I always thought it was at the Main House.... I must of read wrong. I was thinking that if the books were there that would defend my theory... However I never doubted Rosa an Maria escaping something, just the explosion. I had made an alternative theory on how the survivors of the twilight die:
In the end the culprit had shoot and killed them and cut up the bodies. Then discarded them in the "Golden land" or where the gold is as know one has known the location of the gold.
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2010-04-18, 08:28 | Link #8306 |
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Does anyone else get the feeling that explosion is as important as what happens after explosion. Would it be possible that an explosion caused a fire that burned everything down? From the VN i was pretty sure that conditions were pretty windy, what if fire spread from the main mansion to rose garden to guest house? although from the map we got from the anime show by someone else here before (sorry it was atleast 10 pages ago or so) the distance made it kinda makes the theory stupid. But then in ep2 there were golden butterflies at the chapel before 0:00 on the last night, so maybe the fire took time to spread before it reached something potentially explosive?
To the dude who came up with that large theory before (that 20 minutes may not have been useful, but it was an interesting read : D ) Regarding the "only shannon knows i like the fall" you can easily replicate that trick by placing the 4 cards with all the seasons in different places and telling her to go to the respective places, from memory i believe the caller had natsuhi confirm she liked the fall before telling her to go to the fall card. Lastly, in ep4 when Ange met Kumasawa's son she found notes regarding the epitaph has it ever been discussed how she might have actually created the epitaph rather than just trying to solve it? i have always wondered about that although that doesn't bring me any close to solving the epitaph. EDIT: Also regarding Maria being given the umbrella by Kinzo, does anyone actually know if Maria actually knew him? I mean, he died 2 years prior to the 1986 story, and the latest she would have met him would be when she was ...5 ? This kinda sounds very round about haha Last edited by ryuusei; 2010-04-18 at 08:33. Reason: forgot something |
2010-04-18, 08:30 | Link #8307 | ||
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It looks like she was unable to collect the gold, or perhaps the gold or the access to it was sealed due to the accident. But even considering this I don't get why Eva would have financial problems. Hideyoshi's situation wasn't tragic. The only thing he risked was losing his position as the head of his company, but he'd still retain a big portion of stocks. Supposing he owned 30% of his company's stock, until that day he was the president collecting the profits, distributing 70% to the various associates and keeping for himself the 30%. Even in the case someone else became the major stock holder of the company, he'd still get 30% of the profits. Economically speaking it wouldn't change a damn thing. Quote:
Now let's say it was common knowledge that Natsuhi's favorite season is autumn, then that trick wouldn't really be impressive. The mysterious man somehow knew that Natsuhi never told anyone except Shannon. That's a pretty hard thing to be sure about unless you live close by Natsuhi and her family members.
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2010-04-18, 08:53 | Link #8308 | |
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2010-04-18, 08:59 | Link #8309 | |
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Most likely due to the shock of losing her family and the rush to escape after shooting Battler caused her to forget. She was unstable to begin with after the first twilight so it is understandable. And thanks for the quote.
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2010-04-18, 08:59 | Link #8310 | |
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2010-04-18, 09:14 | Link #8311 |
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I've found something interesting while looking at the EP6's game code.
The characters' portraits files are always named using the first 3 letters of their names followed by an underscore and then a description of their expression. for example "JES_defA1.bmp" is the default portrait of Jessica. There are many different parts in the code where the portraits are defined, given a specific number, and so on. And then there are also the descriptors in the right click menu. Including character buttons, text and and full body portrait. Now what I have found out is that EP6 not only added ZEP (zepar) FUR (Furfur) and FEA (Featherinne) but also a mysterious "LIG". This LIG appears multiple times in every spot where you usually find other character's portraits related codes. At first I thought this "LIG" was probably a "dummy" necessary to the new code created for EP6. However looking at the various instances where you can find it, it appears it occupies a pretty well defined position. Here are the string that define the "paths" where you should find the graphic files related to "LIG". bmp\r_click\cha_tati\ep6_2\LIG_1.bmp - doesn't exist bmp\r_click\cha_tati\ep6_2\LIG_2.bmp - doesn't exist bmp\r_click\text\cha\ep6_2\LIG_1.bmp - doesn't exist bmp\r_click\text\cha\ep6_2\lig_21.bmp - exists: Jessica's description bmp\r_click\text\cha\ep6_2\lig_22.bmp - exists: Shannon's description bmp2\TATI\LIG\1\LIG_DefA1.bmp - doesn't exist bmp\r_click\cha_btn\ep6_2\LIG_l.bmp - doesn't exist bmp\r_click\cha_btn\ep6_2\LIG2_l.bmp - doesn't exist So as you can see for the most part all these strings point to files that do not exist at all. There are only two exceptions, found in the directory where the description of magical side characters are stored . Zepar, Furfur and the two Beatrice are there. I can't really translate japanese without a dictionary so I don't know for sure what are Jessica and Shannon doing there, but I guess they are temporary files copy and pasted there waiting to be replaced with the true ones. This "LIG" anyway appears to be a magical character, since it's character button, text descriptor and full body portrait are only supposed to appear in directory storing magical beings. Who is "LIG"? Was it a character originally supposed to appear in EP6 but then was removed? And what can LIG possibly stand for? It doesn't appear to be one of the demons of the lesser key. PS: It's not Light Yagami, is it..?
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2010-04-18, 11:10 | Link #8312 | |
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Ah, someone else finally found Light. I've been wondering about that ever since I got my copy of the game.
Here's the lines you're looking for: Quote:
"The last facial expression number for Light" No clue what it's all about though.
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2010-04-18, 12:01 | Link #8313 | |
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2010-04-18, 12:01 | Link #8314 | |
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(also, if any interpretations of the code are wrong, please tell me, because I've only used trial and error to figure out what they do) Spoiler for LIG:
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2010-04-18, 12:08 | Link #8315 | |
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Spoiler for Light:
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2010-04-18, 12:20 | Link #8316 | |
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I didn't notice that before... but is your translation correct? I think it's more like: starting number of Light's facial expressions and ending number of Light's facial expressions (at least it makes more sense that way from a programming standpoint...) Every character has those two lines at the start and the end of the list of their various portraits. This was added in EP6's code, probably they are variables that are necessary for the new code, so they shouldn't mean anything in particular. This looks like a preparatory code... they put in LIG_defA1 because obviously all the characters have that one, but there was no actual graphic file so that's all that they could insert. Maybe they were just getting ahead with the work preparing the code for EP7...
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2010-04-18, 12:32 | Link #8318 |
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A friend of mine just proposed a sort of terrifying theory to me.
If it's fair for personalities to "die" with the red text, then we have to suspect not only Shkannon, but also the possibility that Kinzo's death was faked. Suppose that Beatrice is an alternate personality of Kinzo that he created as furniture. After he faked his death, the "Kinzo" personality died, leaving this Beatrice to roam freely. Then she could carry out the murders as a means of resurrecting herself. There are only seventeen people on the island after welcoming Erika, but if Ghost Erika and Shkanon are both true, then there's no contradiction. There's got to be some way of disproving this, but I just keep running into red that supports it everywhere. Help? |
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