Madan no Ou to Vanadis [Light Novel]

[Insane]

Originally Posted by Kleeyook

I want to cry. Well, I can't blame you for knowing almost nothing about Buddhism since I have no idea about what's in the bible.

Buddha was a normal person. He's just a super prodigy. He never has fancy multiple arms like what the Chinese made him to be in their sculpter.

FORGIVE MEEEEEEE, Kleeyook! Truthfully i have no idea about Buddha at all (I wrote that after watching Forbidden Kingdom Movie where they depict Buddha as a sacred man with 1000 hands). Once again, I'm sorry!

Spoiler for Ellen and Tigre:

About that picture, why do i have feeling that Ellen was gonna r@p3 Tigre?

[Athena]

Originally Posted by Insane

Isn't it because he have multiple hands that enabling him to wields multiple weapons at once? (sorry for getting off topic)

A bit off-topic, but the one you're talking about might be a god in Hinduism. Or Nezha, but he just has six arms.

[willx]

Originally Posted by Athena

A bit off-topic, but the one you're talking about might be a god in Hinduism. Or Nezha, but he just has six arms.

There's one in Buddhism that had a thousand arms I believe.. And of course the 100 armed Hekatonkaires show up in Greek mythology..

EDIT: And here we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avaloki...Avalokitesvara

[Insane]

Originally Posted by willx

There's one in Buddhism that had a thousand arms I believe.. And of course the 100 armed Hekatonkaires show up in Greek mythology..

Yeah! That's it! That's it! Thanks a lot, Willx!

[Hemisphere]

Ah. Now it makes sense.

This part:

Originally Posted by Belgaesh

Spoiler for Pillar of Fire?:

Spoiler for The Black Bow's first true activation:

Was after Tigre's elderly aide Bartran (who has been serving Tigre's family since the time of his father) dies after taking a blow from a sword meant to kill Tigre. In Tigre's overwhelming grief and melancholy, the Black Bow completely resonates with its wielder, starts shaking - and then a black pillar of light shoots up from the ground racing up towards the heavens, resembling a black dragon (the words "black dragon" spilled from the mouths of Elen and Regin, who both witnessed the event) thunderously flying up at the sky before the dark light disappears.

After this incident, Tir na Fa has apparently been trying to talk with Tigre for several hours now, only to be stonewalled thanks to Tigre's grief over Bartran (it appears that the tables have turned, and now she's the one who has to pick a better appointment; a brick joke from Volume 3). In the end, Tir na Fa tells Tigre that she'll talk with him once he's in a better mood, but congratulates him for finally activating the Black Bow all by himself without her assistance or anyone else's (like the time in Volume 1 when she told him to shoot down the flying dragon). Tigre sulks until Elenore snaps him out of it, and Tigre comes to his senses (sulking for all of six pages; no drawn out angst, thankfully) and returns to his usual self.

The interesting bit from this incident, asides from Tigre reaching out to the bow's power just by himself, is this: If the Gods and the Dragons had a war long ago, then why is Tir na Fa's Black Bow associated with a Black Dragon? And just exactly why is Tir na Fa's Black Bow able to make the Viralts subserviently offer it their power?

PS. Bartran is no mere subcharacter meant to get sacrificed; he's been important since Volume 1. If it weren't for him risking life and limb

Spoiler for Bartran's deed:

to infiltrate Elen's palace where Tigre was held, Elen would never have lent Tigre his troops and Alsace would have burned to the ground

. Bonus points considering his age.

[Insane]

Originally Posted by Erhjegel

Was after Tigre's elderly aide Bartran (who has been serving Tigre's family since the time of his father) dies after taking a blow from a sword meant to kill Tigre.

That means Batran died protecting Tigre? Who killed him?

Originally Posted by Erhjegel

In Tigre's overwhelming grief and melancholy, the Black Bow completely resonates with its wielder, starts shaking - and then a black pillar of light shoots up from the ground racing up towards the heavens, resembling a black dragon (the words "black dragon" spilled from the mouths of Elen and Regin, who both witnessed the event) thunderously flying up at the sky before the dark light disappears.

That means that Black Dragon thing was not "real" Black Dragon but something that resembling one? (Don't tell me i got trolled all this time)

Originally Posted by Erhjegel

If the Gods and the Dragons had a war long ago, then why is Tir na Fa's Black Bow associated with a Black Dragon? And just exactly why is Tir na Fa's Black Bow able to make the Viralts subserviently offer it their power

Umm, why God and Dragon had to fighting in the first place? Judging from your previous spoilers, probably Tir Na Fa was not God but a Dragon?

[willx]

OOOH! Erhjegel! Thanks for this! Amazing! Man, this is driving me nuts!

How is this not one of the most popular light novels out there!? How!? I'd put this up there with Mahouka, and that one is doing very well on the charts!

So Volume 5 sounds like it's amazing, albeit, I'm a much bigger fan of all the battles, strategy and political manoeuvring rather than the "power" output of the protagonists..

[Hemisphere]

Originally Posted by Insane

That means Batran died protecting Tigre? Who killed him?



That means that Black Dragon thing was not "real" Black Dragon but something that resembling one? (Don't tell me i got trolled all this time)



Umm, why God and Dragon had to fighting in the first place? Judging from your previous spoilers, probably Tir Na Fa was not God but a Dragon?

1. Steid, Tenaldie's right-hand man. He was going in for the kill on Tigre in a crumbling labyrinth, despite the risk of death.
2. The black pillar of light's intensity and ferocity made the people who saw and hear it associate it with a Black Dragon.
3. The reason, as I mentioned before, is still unknown. The legend was a very, very ancient one judging from the wall murals found in Mossha's shrine. Tir na Fa is a Goddess; just because one of the gods of a pantheon is on an antagonistic side doesn't suddenly mean she is of a different race.

Originally Posted by willx

OOOH! Erhjegel! Thanks for this! Amazing! Man, this is driving me nuts!

How is this not one of the most popular light novels out there!? How!? I'd put this up there with Mahouka, and that one is doing very well on the charts!

So Volume 5 sounds like it's amazing, albeit, I'm a much bigger fan of all the battles, strategy and political manoeuvring rather than the "power" output of the protagonists..

Don't worry; Volume 5 does not disappoint.

Spoiler for Volume 5 Battles:

From the first encounter with Tenaldie's five dragons versus the two Vanadis; Tigre charging into the fray in order to rally his troops while the Zhcted troops scream the title the Muozinel troops gave Tigre (The Man who can Shoot even a Falling Star) at the top of their lungs; Elen and Mila finally disposing of the fire-breathing dragon and the huge twin-headed dragon; down to the last army encounter after the King finally regains his senses and Tenaldie's desperation is at the end.

On the economical/political side, we have Elen confiding to Tigre her plans for both Lightmeritz and Alsace. This makes sense once you remember that in Volume 1, Tigre wanted to read up on some documents of Elen's so he could bring back to Alsace some practices and policies that could help make it prosperous; while in Volume 2, Elen and Tigre talk about the lack of main roads leading to the capital in Alsace and how the presence of one would help benefit Alsace's economic value. There's also Elizabetha sending messengers in order to establish a connection with Tigre, carrying provisions as a sign of her good faith; the only thing to consider is that Elizabetha and Elenore have a rather bad standing with each other, not just personally but also politically.

When people check this series out, they go:

Look at the covers; check colored pages previews; assume it's just another harem series; promptly ignore.

That's why.

Also the lack of advertising and promotion. MF Bunko is barely doing anything to promote Madan no Ou to Vanadis.

[TJP1600]

Originally Posted by Erhjegel

When people check this series out, they go:

Look at the covers; check colored pages previews; assume it's just another harem series; promptly ignore.

That's why.

I'm sure a lot of translators read it casually, but its just a pain to translate. The majority of readers on the other hand probably won't like to read anything that isn't translated. I think this is one of those novels where it is hard to be enticed with just spoilers and summaries.

[Insane]

Originally Posted by Erhjegel

When people check this series out, they go:

Look at the covers; check colored pages previews; assume it's just another harem series; promptly ignore.

That's why.

Lesson learned : "Do not judge a book from its cover"

Perhaps because there's no manga available for this series. I heard Madan no Ou get serialized in a not so famous manga magazine. Or we should blame the illustrator for making the illustration on cover pages "too sexy" under pretense "fanservice sells".

[Hemisphere]

Originally Posted by TJP1600

I'm sure a lot of translators read it casually, but its just a pain to translate. The majority of readers on the other hand probably won't like to read anything that isn't translated. I think this is one of those novels where it is hard to be enticed with just spoilers and summaries.

Unfortunately, that's true. If anything, I would compare this series to Horizon with regards to how...alive, well-sculpted and interconnected the world is (minus the whole "I can beat a deer to death with this thickness") as well as its characters. Spoilers and summaries just don't do justice, and they also lack most of the context with which to convey the story and its developments.

Originally Posted by Insane

Lesson learned : "Do not judge a book from its cover"

Perhaps because there's no manga available for this series. I heard Madan no Ou get serialized in a not so famous manga magazine. Or we should blame the illustrator for making the illustration on cover pages "too sexy" under pretense "fanservice sells".

That's not the illustrator's call.

[willx]

Originally Posted by TJP1600

I'm sure a lot of translators read it casually, but its just a pain to translate. The majority of readers on the other hand probably won't like to read anything that isn't translated. I think this is one of those novels where it is hard to be enticed with just spoilers and summaries.

Hm, I don't know.. the spoilers and summaries are pretty dramatic. The battles are large and have an "epic" sense of appeal to them..

I'm more concerned not regarding English-speaking fans.. but actually how sales are doing in Japan. From the Mahouka thread, I saw that last weeks sales were all Oreimo, Mahouka and tons and tons of SAO..

[Insane]

Originally Posted by TJP1600

I'm sure a lot of translators read it casually, but its just a pain to translate. The majority of readers on the other hand probably won't like to read anything that isn't translated. I think this is one of those novels where it is hard to be enticed with just spoilers and summaries.

You're right man. I noticed on BT Forum that Florza dropped this series after translating 1 chapter due to him got hard time in translating name, measure, and several weird terminologies that frequently not making any sense at all.

[TJP1600]

Originally Posted by Insane

You're right man. I noticed on BT Forum that Florza dropped this series after translating 1 chapter due to him got hard time in translating name, measure, and several weird terminologies that frequently not making any sense at all.

Imo I don't think he enjoyed the novel that much for it to be worth the trouble and its quite unpleasant going through with long-term translating if you are not "having fun" with it. I'll ask him the next time I see him but I'm pretty sure the terminology didn't play that much of a role. I mean translating Campione for me is like shooting myself in the foot with all those gods and explanations, but I love the novel so its a good kind of pain lol

[Insane]

Originally Posted by TJP1600

Imo I don't think he enjoyed the novel that much for it to be worth the trouble and its quite unpleasant going through with long-term translating if you are not "having fun" with it. I'll ask him the next time I see him but I'm pretty sure the terminology didn't play that much of a role. I mean translating Campione for me is like shooting myself in the foot with all those gods and explanations, but I love the novel so its a good kind of pain lol

Please don't. Rather than making his head screwed and cannot translating anymore, it's better to give him a rest. Campione in the other hand is reaaaally haaaaard to read, particularly when Godou spelling random words for activating his beloved sword (even for me who can only read the translation), so it's better not to compare them. Also, the kissing scene on Campione is too gratituous (Good kids should not read this)

[TJP1600]

Originally Posted by Insane

Please don't. Rather than making his head screwed and cannot translating anymore, it's better to give him a rest. Campione in the other hand is reaaaally haaaaard to read, particularly when Godou spelling random words for activating his beloved sword (even for me who can only read the translation), so it's better not to compare them. Also, the kissing scene on Campione is too gratituous (Good kids should not read this)

Oh, I don't mean dragging him back into translating this novel lol. I was just going to ask if the terminology was the main reason why he quit. I'm not 100% sure on this, but i think he said that he wasn't very interested in Vanadis, at least not as much as Campione. All i remember is a lot of not so great things spoken about this novel, probably them trying to save me from shooting myself in the foot trying to read this novel since I asked other people for their opinions.

Edit: I asked, "Imo I don't think he enjoyed the novel that much for it to be worth the trouble", he confirmed this

[xBakaChanx]

Originally Posted by TJP1600

Oh, I don't mean dragging him back into translating this novel lol. I was just going to ask if the terminology was the main reason why he quit. I'm not 100% sure on this, but i think he said that he wasn't very interested in Vanadis, at least not as much as Campione. All i remember is a lot of not so great things spoken about this novel, probably them trying to save me from shooting myself in the foot trying to read this novel since I asked other people for their opinions.

Edit: I asked, "Imo I don't think he enjoyed the novel that much for it to be worth the trouble", he confirmed this

Really? Imo this novel is really great but well the effort to translate to the greatness of this novel ratio is.....this will be a PAIN to translate

[Insane]

Originally Posted by xBakaChanx

Really? Imo this novel is really great but well the effort to translate to the greatness of this novel ratio is.....this will be a PAIN to translate

Just wondering. What's the most difficulty in reading this series? Is it on author's writing style (e.g. Utsuro no Hako)? or terminologies (e.g. Campione)?

[Belgaesh]

Originally Posted by xBakaChanx

Really? Imo this novel is really great but well the effort to translate to the greatness of this novel ratio is.....this will be a PAIN to translate

Maybe Florza just read the beginning of the novel, i.e volume 01. While that volume is good, the plot only thickens in the next volumes.

The names and descriptions must really be annoying to translate, seeing as so many people commented on this.

[havensgate]

Originally Posted by Erhjegel

When people check this series out, they go:

Look at the covers; check colored pages previews; assume it's just another harem series; promptly ignore.

That's why.

Also the lack of advertising and promotion. MF Bunko is barely doing anything to promote Madan no Ou to Vanadis.

hell..thats why i pick this ln the girls beautiful, interesting story, thrilling battle, a little bit of romance, and more importantly BIG BOOBS

verdict: 9/10 a good read for me