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omimon · 2013-10-03, 01:38

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Originally Posted by shinyaNakagawa

Just read them. The anime adaptation is not always loyal to its source material.

Not everyone understands moon.

shinyaNakagawa · 2013-10-03, 02:00

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Originally Posted by omimon

Not everyone understands moon.

That is because they didn't give it a chance to learn japs and read them novels, no?

Lydia.C · 2013-10-03, 14:34

Hello

I apologize in advance for my very bad English, I'm French

We do not have a light novel (paper version) in France, that's why I just inform me here.
Where is the torque Araragi / Hitagi in the light novel? We see them together more often after the season Nadeko (Otorimonogatari) ? We will have a little more information on them (on their couple aragi / Hitagi)

Again sorry for my english really bad, I'm doing my best. I'm impatient nature, and their relationship really intrigues me hehe.

shinyaNakagawa · 2013-10-04, 01:01

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Originally Posted by Lydia.C

Hello

I apologize in advance for my very bad English, I'm French

We do not have a light novel (paper version) in France, that's why I just inform me here.
Where is the torque Araragi / Hitagi in the light novel? We see them together more often after the season Nadeko (Otorimonogatari) ? We will have a little more information on them (on their couple aragi / Hitagi)

Again sorry for my english really bad, I'm doing my best. I'm impatient nature, and their relationship really intrigues me hehe.

No. You will not get your dose of Araragi x Gahara this season.
I'm sorry to say this but this is the truth.

omimon · 2013-10-04, 01:29

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Originally Posted by shinyaNakagawa

No. You will not get your dose of Araragi x Gahara this season.
I'm sorry to say this but this is the truth.

Yeah, other then off screen stuff they literally don't say a word to each other.

Lydia.C · 2013-10-04, 01:29

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Originally Posted by shinyaNakagawa

No. You will not get your dose of Araragi x Gahara this season.
I'm sorry to say this but this is the truth.

This is unfortunate.

Even in season three + Hanamonogatari?

Zokuowarimonogatari is officially the last Monogatari, where it is possible that Nisio we do a sequel?
The Light Novel are where?

I keep a little hope

shinyaNakagawa · 2013-10-04, 01:48

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Originally Posted by Lydia.C

This is unfortunate.

Even in season three + Hanamonogatari?

Zokuowarimonogatari is officially the last Monogatari, where it is possible that Nisio we do a sequel?
The Light Novel are where?

I keep a little hope

This stuff need a closure.
Another prequel maybe, but not sequel to me.

I don't quite understand your question though, but I assume that you are asking the current LN.
Well, the upcoming novel to be release is Owarimonogatari 1, the previous LN titles are Tsukimonogatari and Koyomimonogatari.

Lydia.C · 2013-10-04, 03:07

You have fully understood my questions, thank you

redgrnbluylw · 2013-10-08, 10:30

I'm an anime-only watcher with a question for those who've read a fair share of the novels:

Do you guys think that the novels have any literary merit? (Trying not to sound pretentious here, lol.) What I mean is, is Nisio trying to make commentaries of any sort on the real world, or did he write them pretty much for amusement? Just curious. Either way, I still love the series.

omimon · 2013-10-08, 11:41

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Originally Posted by redgrnbluylw

I'm an anime-only watcher with a question for those who've read a fair share of the novels:

Do you guys think that the novels have any literary merit? (Trying not to sound pretentious here, lol.) What I mean is, is Nisio trying to make commentaries of any sort on the real world, or did he write them pretty much for amusement? Just curious. Either way, I still love the series.

The way I see it the series originally started out as Nisio's way of just writing whatever he wanted. The way the stories were published showed that he didn't plan this to become a series the way it is now. Nisio even straight out says that he didn't plan on publishing Nise hoping that he could keep the stories for himself.

But of course when Bake got animated and made a shit-ton of money I guess he kinda got "forced" to write more. He certainly left himself some room to write more but you could tell he didn't see it coming.

So in the end I would say it was for amusement at first but now it has become a "job". As for if there are any merit it really depends who you are. It's not breaking any molds or contesting social issues but it is what it is. The stories breaks the fourth wall frequently to comment on the real world but it's nothing really groundbreaking.

However I would say that Nisio as an author in general does contest how stories are formulated.

Shikijin · 2013-10-08, 13:09

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Originally Posted by redgrnbluylw

Do you guys think that the novels have any literary merit? (Trying not to sound pretentious here, lol.) What I mean is, is Nisio trying to make commentaries of any sort on the real world, or did he write them pretty much for amusement? Just curious. Either way, I still love the series.

When Nisio said he wrote this for hobby, it was just Japanese sense of modesty. Everything he writes tries to appeal to a certain ideal target, and Monogatari is no exception. The target here was people who are well versed with anime and manga. That said, yes, I think Nisio has his literary merits, as do many other commercial authors.

"Commentaries" is a big word, but through Monogatari you learn a bit of Japanese culture and anime cliches that perhaps you wouldn't notice from other sources. While it is meant to be entertainment first, that's what being a professional author is about. What's special about Monogatari is the psychological portrayal of the characters, which in itself would be presentable even if the work wasn't about anime pop culture, which is precisely what makes it unpresentable to the general public.

Basically, Nisio writes quality stuff that is worth your change. Not the best author in the universe, but he is entertaining in a thoughtful way.

redgrnbluylw · 2013-10-08, 20:27

Thanks for the responses, guys.

In hindsight, a novel like Kizumonogatari with the pop-culture gag element is quite a bizarre combination. But he does make it work, if the anime so far is a valid measurement.

JudeLee6 · 2013-10-09, 22:16

So i just read in wikipedia that there is only 26 episodes for the second season....so is hanamonogatari being saved up for last as a movie? or is it, maybe, saved since the events in it don't happen literally after all the book.

omimon · 2013-10-10, 01:11

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Originally Posted by JudeLee6

So i just read in wikipedia that there is only 26 episodes for the second season....so is hanamonogatari being saved up for last as a movie? or is it, maybe, saved since the events in it don't happen literally after all the book.

It's probably gonna be an OVA like Kuro. It's saved bacause Shaft has shit scheduling and can't handle 2 cour seasons. It's the one book that was chosen because it does indeed happen after everything else. However the books published after it references it so the anime is not gonna catch those stuff.

JudeLee6 · 2013-10-12, 01:14

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Originally Posted by omimon

It's probably gonna be an OVA like Kuro. It's saved bacause Shaft has shit scheduling and can't handle 2 cour seasons. It's the one book that was chosen because it does indeed happen after everything else. However the books published after it references it so the anime is not gonna catch those stuff.

References? Like what?

JudeLee6 · 2013-10-12, 01:23

Also, was it ever revealed what Gaen and Episode were doing together??

omimon · 2013-10-12, 02:25

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References? Like what?

For example in Hana a character called Rouka appears and is reference in Koi. Mayoi's "death" is also foreshadowed in Hana.

No, we still don't know what Episode and Gaen did together.

Shikijin · 2013-10-12, 03:09

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Originally Posted by omimon

For example in Hana a character called Rouka appears and is reference in Koi. Mayoi's "death" is also foreshadowed in Hana.

Kaiki also had dental implants in Hana, a reference to Koi.

MrFalcon · 2013-10-12, 14:18

In Nisemonogatari, Nadeko had a special closet in her room that she wouldn't let Araragi look in. Had a lot of locks and bolts on it, and Nadeko creepily said she wouldn't forgive anyone for looking inside, not even Araragi. I was thinking this might be explained in the latest arc, but it wasn't. Did the light novel ever explain what was in Nadeko's closet?

Shikijin · 2013-10-12, 14:20

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Originally Posted by MrFalcon

In Nisemonogatari, Nadeko had a special closet in her room that she wouldn't let Araragi look in. Had a lot of locks and bolts on it, and Nadeko creepily said she wouldn't forgive anyone for looking inside, not even Araragi. I was thinking this might be explained in the latest arc, but it wasn't. Did the light novel ever explain what was in Nadeko's closet?

Yes, in Koimonogatari.

2013-10-03, 14:34	Link #2383
Lydia.C Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013	Hello I apologize in advance for my very bad English, I'm French We do not have a light novel (paper version) in France, that's why I just inform me here. Where is the torque Araragi / Hitagi in the light novel? We see them together more often after the season Nadeko (Otorimonogatari) ? We will have a little more information on them (on their couple aragi / Hitagi) Again sorry for my english really bad, I'm doing my best. I'm impatient nature, and their relationship really intrigues me hehe.

2013-10-04, 03:07	Link #2388
Lydia.C Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013	You have fully understood my questions, thank you

2013-10-08, 10:30	Link #2389
redgrnbluylw Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010	I'm an anime-only watcher with a question for those who've read a fair share of the novels: Do you guys think that the novels have any literary merit? (Trying not to sound pretentious here, lol.) What I mean is, is Nisio trying to make commentaries of any sort on the real world, or did he write them pretty much for amusement? Just curious. Either way, I still love the series.

2013-10-08, 20:27	Link #2392
redgrnbluylw Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010	Thanks for the responses, guys. In hindsight, a novel like Kizumonogatari with the pop-culture gag element is quite a bizarre combination. But he does make it work, if the anime so far is a valid measurement.

2013-10-09, 22:16	Link #2393
JudeLee6 Burning Dragon Master Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: New York City Age: 31	So i just read in wikipedia that there is only 26 episodes for the second season....so is hanamonogatari being saved up for last as a movie? or is it, maybe, saved since the events in it don't happen literally after all the book.

2013-10-12, 01:23	Link #2396
JudeLee6 Burning Dragon Master Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: New York City Age: 31	Also, was it ever revealed what Gaen and Episode were doing together??

2013-10-12, 14:18	Link #2399
MrFalcon Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2013	In Nisemonogatari, Nadeko had a special closet in her room that she wouldn't let Araragi look in. Had a lot of locks and bolts on it, and Nadeko creepily said she wouldn't forgive anyone for looking inside, not even Araragi. I was thinking this might be explained in the latest arc, but it wasn't. Did the light novel ever explain what was in Nadeko's closet?