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Did removing collective bargaining in Wisconsin have anything to do with the budget? No. Did it save money? No. Don't believe me? Here's Walker testifying in front of Congress admitting that it doesn't: Did he balance the budget? Not exactly. Much like how people claim Clinton balanced the budget, the math is fuzzy and it's basically accounting tricks, shifting things from one area to another for example. In addition, he claims that he did this without raising taxes, which is a lie. He also used money from the mortgage settlement to plug budget holes (something other states did too, including Democratic ones). And before I get jumped on for liberal bias, I'll happily point out that Democrats do this too, as I just noted about Clinton. The problem here is that both sides are guilty of misrepresenting or just flat out lying about these things to the voters. What they'll do however is run to the cameras and repeat their talking points over and over again, justifying them with a grain of truth that has been distorted so much it becomes unrecognizable. Just today, you see Republicans claiming Clinton wants to keep the Bush tax cuts for everyone when that is not what he said at all. This is why the media fails in its role of being the watchdog of society. When it cannot find the nerve to hold these people accountable for what they say, this is what you get. Sure, you'll get media acting like they're doing their job, but it is twisted through a biased lens because of the viewer they are trying to attract. When I grumble about the influence and problems of money, this is the kind of stuff I mean. Media companies can't be trusted to deliver information anymore. The line between "news" and "opinion" has become so blurred it is often next to impossible to tell where one begins and the other ends. The constant revisiting of the same few talking points creates a cesspool of recycled commentary that swirls down the drain of obscurity. They can't question things too deeply because it would implicate themselves, for they are the establishment now, and thus it would mean their own end. Does this mean people should suddenly turn to the internet, and praise the work of people like Alex Jones? Ugh, no. They're even worse. The internet is noise, pure and simple, and most people visit such sites because it aligns with what they already believe instead of challenging what they think they know. This is no different than the typical FOX or MSNBC viewer. I saw a comment on HuffPost on Tuesday that went something like: "The reason why public unions collective bargaining was bad is because they could use their funds to remove politicians who didn't agree with giving them a raise." Replace unions with any other special interest that has excessive monetary influence on a politician and you have the same problem. FDR knew this, but it seems the wisdom of FDR has faded into obscurity as well.
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2012-06-07, 07:55 | Link #4743 | |
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Now, to put delenda est carthago as the origin of the Empire is a bit of a stretch, its advent being the consequence of a long organic process.
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2012-06-07, 08:38 | Link #4744 | ||
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2012-06-07, 13:04 | Link #4745 |
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Even in the days of the Republic, you had charisma to lead the legions. The Senate would elect two or sometimes three military leaders who would be charged with the legions, be it for the defense of Rome or for conquest.
Plus the only ones they had to impress in those days were the free men. Women and slaves had no vote. And you can hear some of their volume of speech if you hear a good Vaudville stage actors from the 1920s speaking. Loud booming voice that doesn't need a microphone to be hear at that back of the theater.
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2012-06-07, 14:23 | Link #4747 | ||
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2012-06-07, 14:34 | Link #4748 |
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For all that, we still have no one on the horizon that has the charisma, in either actions or words, that can lead the country...either to Republic or Empire. (You are correct, I would have followed Collin Powell if he was elected President)
We barely have anyone charismatic enough to sell Corperate Rule. They are running on the repeat machine to tell the lie over and over and over again until we can no longer not think of it. But a country run by the lie cannot stand as there is not truth for it stand on when things become real.
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2012-06-07, 15:49 | Link #4749 | |
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2012-06-07, 16:23 | Link #4750 | ||
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Edit: Clinton aides: Bill screwed up http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77147.html Quote:
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2012-06-07, 16:33 | Link #4751 | |
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Small bright light - every single one of Florida's county election supervisors (67 of them) tell Gov. "you can't vote" Scott to stuff it with his targeted voting purges:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...s-voter-purge/ (that includes all the ones registered as Republicans, btw) http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...e-voter-purge/ Quote:
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2012-06-07, 17:14 | Link #4752 | |
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2012-06-07, 17:43 | Link #4753 |
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The problem is that in a country with 1/3 of the world population of lawyers, they tend to take longer than usual to do anything (the typical "how many lawyers take to change a lightbulb" joke) and they tend to make trouble where none existed to justify their existence. <-- this does not change whether they are inside or outsida a goverment office.
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2012-06-08, 04:49 | Link #4754 |
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Obama campaign raises more questions about Romney's wealth
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8561JB20120607
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2012-06-08, 12:49 | Link #4755 | |
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The Federal Reserve tells Congress that the economy is about to blow up in their face because of their own laziness (pre-programmed social cuts and tax increases while they spend all their time on political grandstanding and vacationing) .... at least that's what I'm hearing from Bernanke.
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2012-06-08, 13:34 | Link #4756 | |
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Seriously, that isn't enough. People aren't buying US anymore because US isn't letting them buy in with all that import-and-resale from China, and the product management (especially that in of media) they came up with.
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2012-06-08, 15:30 | Link #4759 | |
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Just some confirmation of what people paying attention already knew... that the drug and insurance lobby completely subverted the health care reform by threatening to bury anyone who tried to change the status quo significantly. Coercion on both parties to create a kabuki theater... it doesn't show one party or the other as having any strength to ward off the bottomless pit of money the corporate lobbies can bring to bear thanks to Citizens United...
Don't be surprised if they actually resist any Republican attempts to overturn it... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/us...alth-care.html Quote:
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2012-06-08, 16:04 | Link #4760 |
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So no canadian medicines. Mexican medicines are even cheaper (and they are the same medicines, people over here does not get cured with placebos). I would not be surprised on the years to come that sick/poor people all over the USA start looking for drug traficants to get their monthly medication _-_
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