(L) Dungeon ni Deai o Motomeru no wa Machigatte Iru Darou ka (LN)

[NeutralZero]

Main story line = no leyfia
So was also asking her importance
That is why we mention her last part in SO.
Since last main story is bout ryuu fallingfor bell

[BobJosh]

I saw s1, and oratoria, but haven't read the novels, and want to ask a question before s2 about the novels.

How haremy it is? I don't want to waste more time on this if there is any sign of a harem ending. Is Bell still 100% focused on Ains? Any developments on that front? Or he wants a harem now? Any answer is welcome, I just want to make this sure before I start s2.

[Log]

Originally Posted by BobJosh

I saw s1, and oratoria, but haven't read the novels, and want to ask a question before s2 about the novels.

How haremy it is? I don't want to waste more time on this if there is any sign of a harem ending. Is Bell still 100% focused on Ains? Any developments on that front? Or he wants a harem now? Any answer is welcome, I just want to make this sure before I start s2.

It's not that much of a harem. Unlike a lot of harem genre LN Danmachi is much more focused on the adventure/action/fantasy side of things and harem is a afterthought. Although there's a ridiculous amounts of girls crushing/lusting on Bell now he hasn't responded or isn't aware of their feelings and is still focused on getting stronger and catching up to Aiz and also another goal that I won't spoil.

[Gundam Meister]

So i was thinking of what if situation what if the two of the Great Quest monsters Behemoth and Leviathan either respawn or come back as extremely powerful Xenos

[n0m@n]

Sweet. Found this just now.
Volume 15 to be released on 15th June.


Edit:
Oh. And SO volume 12 is also coming out on the same date.

[ReiKazumi]

i am kinda interest in aiz's father and his view point toward his own daughter's hero.....why a normal human can make a relationship with spirit and give birth human child,did dungeon oratoria is a thread that connect bell and albert ?

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by ReiKazumi

i am kinda interest in aiz's father and his view point toward his own daughter's hero.....why a normal human can make a relationship with spirit and give birth human child,did dungeon oratoria is a thread that connect bell and albert ?

Aiz's mother is NOT a spirit. Spirits in Danmachi, just like Gods, can't have children.
Aiz' family mother side is apparently similar to Welf's family, as they received spirit blood as a blessing long ago and it's passed down since then. Aiz's mother was named Aria probably as a reference to the spirit of legends that long ago gave their family her blessing, but that's about it.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Aiz's mother is NOT a spirit. Spirits in Danmachi, just like Gods, can't have children.
Aiz' family mother side is apparently similar to Welf's family, as they received spirit blood as a blessing long ago and it's passed down since then. Aiz's mother was named Aria probably as a reference to the spirit of legends that long ago gave their family her blessing, but that's about it.

It's been pretty heavily implied that her mom is Aria and they got around the restriction somehow. The way they go out of the way to go "nah it couldn't POSSIBLY be her *wink wink nudge nudge*" and then follow that with stuff like elf girl noticing Aiz's magic is greater than an elf's which shouldn't be possible and what not sets it as the most likely conclusion.

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by XFire

It's been pretty heavily implied that her mom is Aria and they got around the restriction somehow. The way they go out of the way to go "nah it couldn't POSSIBLY be her *wink wink nudge nudge*" and then follow that with stuff like elf girl noticing Aiz's magic is greater than an elf's which shouldn't be possible and what not sets it as the most likely conclusion.

It's been pretty much confirmed by the old members of Loki familia that her mother is not a spirit but a human and that her ability comes from the same kind of spirit blessing as Welf; and confirmed as well by gods that Ais is a mortal and not some kind of half bread from an immortal being as they can't be deceived on what they're looking at is.

The theory of Ais's real mother being a spirit is about as logical and proven as the good old theory about Bell being the real grandson of Zeus. Spirits and Gods cannot have children, Loki familia members confirmed that her mother is not one, and gods confirmed that Ais is fully human. What more do you want here?

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

It's been pretty much confirmed by the old members of Loki familia that her mother is not a spirit but a human and that her ability comes from the same kind of spirit blessing as Welf

That was something they told Lefiya, Tione and Tiona once they started asking around about Aiz's background. They made it clear in a conversation with Aiz later it wasn't the whole truth.

and confirmed as well by gods that Ais is a mortal and not some kind of half bread from an immortal being as they can't be deceived on what they're looking at is.

When was this?

The theory of Ais's real mother being a spirit is about as logical and proven as the good old theory about Bell being the real grandson of Zeus.

We know Aiz was born 1000 years ago to Albert Waldstein. Her mother Aria has the same name as the Great Spirit of the Wind that happened to be traveling with Albert. There's a strong family resemblance, and people keep mistaking Aiz for Aria.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

It's been pretty much confirmed by the old members of Loki familia that her mother is not a spirit but a human and that her ability comes from the same kind of spirit blessing as Welf; and confirmed as well by gods that Ais is a mortal and not some kind of half bread from an immortal being as they can't be deceived on what they're looking at is.

The theory of Ais's real mother being a spirit is about as logical and proven as the good old theory about Bell being the real grandson of Zeus. Spirits and Gods cannot have children, Loki familia members confirmed that her mother is not one, and gods confirmed that Ais is fully human. What more do you want here?

That first part was a ruse to fool the other girls, though.

Loki could easily be hiding her heritage like the falna lock, especially since no one would even no what to look for.

[zerodragon]

Originally Posted by XFire

That first part was a ruse to fool the other girls, though

Loki could easily be hiding her heritage like the falna lock, especially since no one would even no what to look for.

yeah, when the girls ask the others about Aria from Finn and the others, they got tense and did their best to avoid talking much about it.

it makes sense that loki would hide her heritage just like hestia has hidden bell special skill. she say it before" the gods love to make people their plaything". if it was found out that Aiz was half spirit, it would cause much chaos since she is one of a kind.

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by XFire

That first part was a ruse to fool the other girls, though.

Loki could easily be hiding her heritage like the falna lock, especially since no one would even no what to look for.

Where was that ever said?

Hestia was able to perceive through the hood that Fels was not a normal mortal anymore, and hestia is not the most astute god out there. Spirits are immortal entities that are the beings closest of godhood on the planet. From gods' pov, their nature is literally radiating. Freya can see SOULS. You think anything that Loki can do about AIs can deceive Freiya and make Freiya think that Ais' soul is a human soul if it was something as special as a half spirit? Or is Loki somehow managing to have Freiya keeping silent about it? That's very unlikely.

Originally Posted by Endscape

That was something they told Lefiya, Tione and Tiona once they started asking around about Aiz's background. They made it clear in a conversation with Aiz later it wasn't the whole truth.

When was this?

We know Aiz was born 1000 years ago to Albert Waldstein. Her mother Aria has the same name as the Great Spirit of the Wind that happened to be traveling with Albert. There's a strong family resemblance, and people keep mistaking Aiz for Aria.

Not saying the whole truth is different from lying. Sorry, but I don't see Riveria easily lying to anyone. Hiding truth, sure. Lying directly? heeeeh, not really.

Pretty sure it was Hestia saying it when they were discussing about Ais' origin with the hestia familia.


Wait, what the hell? Where did you see that? I've read all the available novels and I never ever saw that. born 1,000 years ago? No way in hell, she's 16. Pretty sure she saw her parents going to the big 3 hunt when she was still 1 or 2 years old, that's the scene where she see them going away from her in her memory. That hunt was around 15 years ago.

[Twi]

The 1000 years ago part is speculation, I believe, due to Aria's story being that old since it was before the Gods came down that she partnered with a human and gave him power.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Where was that ever said?

Hestia was able to perceive through the hood that Fels was not a normal mortal anymore, and hestia is not the most astute god out there. Spirits are immortal entities that are the beings closest of godhood on the planet. From gods' pov, their nature is literally radiating. Freya can see SOULS. You think anything that Loki can do about AIs can deceive Freiya and make Freiya think that Ais' soul is a human soul if it was something as special as a half spirit? Or is Loki somehow managing to have Freiya keeping silent about it? That's very unlikely.

Fels wasn't actually hiding it though? At least not from the gods.

Why would Freya actually care? She's noted before Aiz's soul is special but she has no interest in her.

And Aiz is a half-spirit. No one would know what that looked like.

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Not saying the whole truth is different from lying. Sorry, but I don't see Riveria easily lying to anyone. Hiding truth, sure. Lying directly? heeeeh, not really.

Pretty sure it was Hestia saying it when they were discussing about Ais' origin with the hestia familia.


Wait, what the hell? Where did you see that? I've read all the available novels and I never ever saw that. born 1,000 years ago? No way in hell, she's 16. Pretty sure she saw her parents going to the big 3 hunt when she was still 1 or 2 years old, that's the scene where she see them going away from her in her memory. That hunt was around 15 years ago.

Why? That's not a thing for her.

That didn't happen.

Uh, her father being the hero has been pretty blatant this whole time.

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by XFire

Fels wasn't actually hiding it though? At least not from the gods.

Why would Freya actually care? She's noted before Aiz's soul is special but she has no interest in her.

And Aiz is a half-spirit. No one would know what that looked like.



Why? That's not a thing for her.

That didn't happen.

Uh, her father being the hero has been pretty blatant this whole time.

Yep, Fels wasn't actually hiding it! I mean, with super curious gods everywhere in this city that get super excited for far less novelty than that, why would he try to avoided having any god figuring out he's a walking skeleton! Surely that's going to end well, yup yup yuuup.

Why would she NOT care? Freiya collects individual with unique souls. What is more unique than the child of an immortal being in a world where no immortal being can have a child? Pretty common and not interesting for her, right!

You clearly have no clue of what you're talking about. Spirits are a completely different level of existence compared to mortals. Being half spirits would make her stand out at first glance for EVERYONE (including mundane humans, just like they can identify a god by just looking at them), let alone for gods lol. Hestia was able to identify Fels as NOT being a mortal despite not knowing what Fels was as she never met anyone like Fels before. Why would no god be able to identify Ais as not being a normal mortal when being child of a spirit is a far bigger deal than being a walking skeleton, and while Fels was hiding his appearance and Ais is just walking around in the sight of everyone?
Hestia has got an interest in Ains for a while. If she was anything more than a mere human, she would have pointed it out long ago.

Pretty blatant? on a scale of 1 to 10, how probable is your pretty blatant? I think it's negative value at that point ? Ais is 16 yo. Her parents are humans and it's pretty blatant they died in the hunt 15 years ago. THAT is pretty blatant. Her father was a high level adventurer, THAT is pretty blatant. her mother is a descendant of the Hero who saved the spirit Aria and was named after her, THAT is pretty blatant.
If she was the child of that wind spirit, her special magic would not just be wrapping her in wind. The whole city would be engulfed in a gigantic tornado. That wind magic is just coming from a blessing of a powerful wind spirit named Aria, who blessed her ancestor 1,000 years ago.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Where was that ever said?

When they spoke to Ais a little later they implied it wasn't the whole truth.

Hestia was able to perceive through the hood that Fels was not a normal mortal anymore, and hestia is not the most astute god out there. Spirits are immortal entities that are the beings closest of godhood on the planet. From gods' pov, their nature is literally radiating. Freya can see SOULS. You think anything that Loki can do about AIs can deceive Freiya and make Freiya think that Ais' soul is a human soul if it was something as special as a half spirit? Or is Loki somehow managing to have Freiya keeping silent about it? That's very unlikely.

Freya couldn't care less about Ais, she wouldn't bother doing anything about it.

Not saying the whole truth is different from lying. Sorry, but I don't see Riveria easily lying to anyone. Hiding truth, sure. Lying directly? heeeeh, not really.

Lies of omission are still lies. Riveria lied about Bell's SS status, she lied about Lena being alive. She lies all the time.

Wait, what the hell? Where did you see that? I've read all the available novels and I never ever saw that. born 1,000 years ago?

Author has been foreshadowing Ais being from a 1000 years ago for a long while now. Albert had a daughter back then, which is Ais. There's hints like Ais crying over his grave in Hero Elegy.

No way in hell, she's 16. Pretty sure she saw her parents going to the big 3 hunt when she was still 1 or 2 years old, that's the scene where she see them going away from her in her memory. That hunt was around 15 years ago.

She's much older than 1 year old in those flashbacks. Plus her father taught her how to use a sword.

[bakato]

Wasn't it mentioned Aiz had a true form or something?

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Why would she NOT care? Freiya collects individual with unique souls. What is more unique than the child of an immortal being in a world where no immortal being can have a child? Pretty common and not interesting for her, right!

She doesn't care because she thinks Ais as a person is boring since she's obsessed with revenge. She said as much when she first met Ais.

You clearly have no clue of what you're talking about. Spirits are a completely different level of existence compared to mortals. Being half spirits would make her stand out at first glance for EVERYONE (including mundane humans, just like they can identify a god by just looking at them), let alone for gods lol.

Gods and spirits can conceal their divinity. This was proven with Zeus, Kali and Noel.

That's no proof that half - spirits would work the same as full spirits anyway.

Pretty blatant? on a scale of 1 to 10, how probable is your pretty blatant? I think it's negative value at that point ? Ais is 16 yo. Her parents are humans and it's pretty blatant they died in the hunt 15 years ago. THAT is pretty blatant.

I said this above, but that can't be. Ais clearly wasn't a year old in her flashbacks.

If she was the child of that wind spirit, her special magic would not just be wrapping her in wind. The whole city would be engulfed in a gigantic tornado. That wind magic is just coming from a blessing of a powerful wind spirit named Aria, who blessed her ancestor 1,000 years ago.

Her magic can already do something kind of like that already.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Yep, Fels wasn't actually hiding it! I mean, with super curious gods everywhere in this city that get super excited for far less novelty than that, why would he try to avoided having any god figuring out he's a walking skeleton! Surely that's going to end well, yup yup yuuup.

Your increasing use of sarcasm is making you sound like a desperate child. Knock if off.

Fels didn't wander around the city, he spent all his time deep in the guild with Ouranos or in the dungeon. He wasn't strolling the streets of Orario. And he had no problem revealing himself to Bell openly.

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Why would she NOT care? Freiya collects individual with unique souls. What is more unique than the child of an immortal being in a world where no immortal being can have a child? Pretty common and not interesting for her, right!

She collects should that interest her, on her own arbitrary requirements. She had no interest in Welf or Haruhime, both of whom possess unique and powerful abilities. Has no interest in Aiz as the youngest level 6 ever. Etc. Etc. She just doesn't care.

Originally Posted by Zefyris

You clearly have no clue of what you're talking about. Spirits are a completely different level of existence compared to mortals. Being half spirits would make her stand out at first glance for EVERYONE (including mundane humans, just like they can identify a god by just looking at them), let alone for gods lol. Hestia was able to identify Fels as NOT being a mortal despite not knowing what Fels was as she never met anyone like Fels before. Why would no god be able to identify Ais as not being a normal mortal when being child of a spirit is a far bigger deal than being a walking skeleton, and while Fels was hiding his appearance and Ais is just walking around in the sight of everyone?
Hestia has got an interest in Ains for a while. If she was anything more than a mere human, she would have pointed it out long ago.

You've arbitrarily created this standard out of nothing. As you've pointed out, there aren't any other half-spirits, so for all we know her human blood could conceal her spirit side. And Hestia can't be arsed to remember her name, her interest is less than zero.

Aiz's magic is noted more than once to be literally beyond anything a human or elf could muster, and spirit blessings don't grant increased power, just unique abilities.

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Pretty blatant? on a scale of 1 to 10, how probable is your pretty blatant? I think it's negative value at that point ? Ais is 16 yo. Her parents are humans and it's pretty blatant they died in the hunt 15 years ago. THAT is pretty blatant. Her father was a high level adventurer, THAT is pretty blatant. her mother is a descendant of the Hero who saved the spirit Aria and was named after her, THAT is pretty blatant.
If she was the child of that wind spirit, her special magic would not just be wrapping her in wind. The whole city would be engulfed in a gigantic tornado. That wind magic is just coming from a blessing of a powerful wind spirit named Aria, who blessed her ancestor 1,000 years ago.

Aiz is inhumanely powerful.

The older members lie about her origins to conceal them.

The monster freak confuses her with "Aria", who is explicitly her mother.

There have been continuous allusions to her being the child of the hero and they went out of their way to eliminate every other possible spouse.

You're talking put your ass and making up arbitrary limits that have no basis in the story.

I've got no interest in continuing this discussion with someone who responds to alternate opinions with pure venom, so I'm done with this. Feel free to keep ranting though. I'm sure it will help your position.