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Not really. Cynthia was injured not because of the rods but because of Beth. She managed to escape along with Yuma from the rods and both of them are weaker than Deneve and Helen (at least Yuma is). So telling them to run made a difference since they would be safer further from Clare. My argument here is that she doesn't think only about revenge but also about her friends. Otherwise she wouldn't say anything, ignored D&H and just attacked Priscilla (even more so since that was her purpose for living all along. If my "dream" was in my reach I doubt I would be able to restrain myself from getting it immediately. Clare did wait). For the same reason I doubt that they're surrounded, otherwise Clare would be just mocking them and she's not like that. She told them to run while they still have a chance and that was the whole point. I didn't call that helping BTW but thinking about comrades which Priscilla was lacking. If she thought about her comrades she would work with the whole team and not just rush alone.
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How do you know that? Yes Beth attacked then the second volley started and after that we saw them and their current condition. Also you have to consider the fact that the rods didn’t actually het everywhere. There were no rods were Riful was fighting (in the forest) and both Yuma and Cynthia came out of the forest and saw Beth. That is to say before that moment they didn’t have to avoid anything. If a No2 could get hit, (who avoided attacks from Dauf who is an awakened No3 and is faster than both aforementioned Claymores) that means they also won’t be able to do it. Deneve and Helen didn’t get hit because Clare was reading the trajectories of the rods. To avoid them when you know that is a really simple task.
So she pretty much knows they’ll get hit when the next volley starts (and Clare herself said that the Destroyer intends to fire those things until everyone is dead). She forgot all about Cynthia and Yuma and showed no indication that she was concerned about them. She flat out ignored what Deneve and Helen said. If your dream might result in the deaths of your friends and if you actually achieve it you’ll probably become a mass murder you’re just being selfish on a whole new level.
And you say Clare did wait? The moment she saw Prissy she released all her yoki. While doing so (she can’t just do it all of a sudden since she is going for more than 90% release and it doesn’t happen instantly) she waited. Is that what you’re referring to?
A few minutes or even less after the last volley stopped they were surrounded by the Hellcats which were all over the place thus the ghost were forced to stay and fight. So basically in a minute or so the same thing would happen. Even if she’s not mocking them the word “run” doesn’t actually help one bit nor does it show that she actually what happens to them in the end.
And when was Prissy in a similar position thus could say something similar? Prissy didn’t use a cheap move to kill Teresa, fought her alone for a bit and fought with her comrades. After that she rushed after Teresa at which point her comrades didn’t go with her so technically she was already alone at that point and she didn’t endanger anyone but herself.
If we follow that logic applied to Clare….if she thought about her comrades she would work with them and escape not leave them to their fate with her last words basically being “I’m throwing away my humanity and with that you as well”.
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I know what you meant but IMO verge of death means the same for everyone. Otherwise one would not be on the verge of death since no one would be able to kill him anyway and he wouldn't die on his own. As for Prissy being in her human form, she was at full strength then and uninjured (maybe she would not be able to maintain her awakened form for too long if she wasn't full but that would be the only weakness she had that time). She was in at least as good condition as Isley when he slashed Deneve. I'm talking about a situation where she would have problems with standing or even chasing someone/something (like food for example). So if Clare was on the verge of death her condition would stop her from going after people, at least she would not be able to go to them with a humongous speed. As for Isley, since he could transform into awakened form it meant he was at full strength in human form and his awakened form wasn't weaker but at worst he couldn't maintain his form for long or regenerate all wounds. But in human form they don't spend much energy and since he could transform, in human form he had to be as strong as he could be.
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Well to be honest I also think verge of death means pretty much the same thing for everyone. Problem is in this situation there can’t be a winner and him being on the verge of death. If he won he has to be somewhat more powerful and on that level somewhat means a lot more powerful compared to other characters’ power. I’m know what you’re talking about but I just can’t see it happening.
And Isley was a lot weaker than when he fought Luciela or Prissy. Being in their awakened form doesn’t mean they are even at half their max strength. Basically what I’m saying is that to have a winner his remaining strength would be around Isley’s level at that time or even higher. I just can’t see why Prissy would just stand there and fight until she’s almost dead. Clare will do it for sure but Prissy doesn’t have a reason to and she has wings so the moment she decides she can’t win she could retreat.
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And how risking her life for others would help her achieving her goal? That Riful knew her whereabouts was pure coincidence. The best way to know that was to follow MiB's orders and use their intelligence network by the way or going by her own looking for clues and asking for a one-horned flying monster (Priscilla is the only AB so far that we've seen fly). Since the island was so small that Miria managed to go to it's every corner then Clare would also be able to locate her, it was only a matter of time and making detours only slowed her down. She ignored D&H because that was her reason for living and not just a whim. Priscilla went after Teresa because her pride and stupid beliefs were crushed by Teresa, Clare had a more serious reason to do so - kill voracious eater (to Priscilla this term fits better than AB). It was rational thing to do and Clare knew it (although the main reason she went after her was revenge). So why would she listen to D&H? Besides, what else could Clare do? Escape? Stand still and wait for Priscilla to take the initiative? Clare knew that unless she went over her limit again she would be dead because of their difference in power so it's no surprise she tried to awaken. To me it was the most rational thing Clare could do regardless of her wanting the revenge.
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Well the only people that ever saw the one horned monster died so no one could actually provide her with that info excepts the MiBs or as it turned out Riful. Also Miria is No6 so she can go around more than Clare could. Clare just couldn’t locate her by walking around. She was bad at sensing yoki and as I said the only people that saw Prissy died. As far as everyone else is concerned those people were just obliterated by youma.
Also at that point Prissy wasn’t really eating (so it’s more than 7 years) so it would have been even harder to find her. Basically Clare was going by MiBs orders to find Prissy because that’s the only thing she could do. It would take time but it was the most certain way to do it at that point.
I mean Prissy wasn’t an awakened for that long now was she? What 10 years or so? In those she hasn’t eaten for more than 7. And not eating for so long means she is not at all a voracious eater. Ok more like not eating humans.
I can’t see how that is the most rational thing unless Clare is completely blinded by revenge which she is.
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They could find Teresa as easily some other time, she could also wait for Irene and others help or suggestions. Clare didn't have a luxury of having comrades with the same objective( which was killing Prissy). And while it's true that Clare passed her limit 4 times (5 including now) it was always for the greater good or a necessity. In Rabona she awakened because she used too much youma powers (but contrary to Priscilla didn't went over her limit) while trying to rescue people. In Gonahl she rescued Raki thanks to her partial awakening, in Riful's lair she did it in a hopeless situation where she didn't have anything to lose (since Riful wanted all of them to awaken or die anyway), in Pieta to save Miria and others and now for revenge AND to save others. Her awakening in Riful's lair and now is the same, she's in a hopeless situation. Priscilla however had a chance to live and didn't have any solid reason to go after Teresa besides her ego being crushed (yes, I know you;ve written other reasons but they're not convincing to me and I disagree with you). She didn't see that Teresa was evil (on the contrary) but wanted to kill her anyway and blamed her for every bad thing that happened to her. How is that similar?
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Well the same basically applies to Clare. She is a ghost now and she can move around freely undetected. Prissy’s yoki is all over the place and Clare won’t forget it so she could follow it. So finding Prissy again wouldn’t at all be that hard. Still Clare throws everything and everyone the first time she gets a chance. Prissy didn’t wait but neither did Clare. Again how are the two thing different?
In Rabona Clare went over her limit just like Prissy. The only difference was that Raki was there and brought her back somehow. So the first time was basically the same as Prissy’s awakening. Clare was fighting for a noble cause and so was Prissy. We knew more than her so in our eyes it wasn’t really noble but form her point of view it was.
The second time, is it wasn’t for that partial awakening which as far as we know is really rare she would (as far as anything she know goes) become a monster that kills and eats people just to try to save 1 person which if you reasonably think about it she wouldn’t manage to do after she awakens. (I know she wasn’t trying to awaken but passing her limit = awakening as far as things go) Yes it’s not wrong to try to help people but did she ever stop to think what might happen? Did she look past her own views? No. Prissy didn’t back then as well. In her own mind she was fighting to protect people. Again I don’t see how those are that different at all.
Again in Riful’s lair you’re telling me she would take the chance to become a monster just to save her life? That’s worse than what Prissy did.
I don’t see how right now she can save anyone.
1st case she kills Prissy becomes Prissy 2.0 but at least we know that Prissy refrained from eating people and is killing AB whereas we can’t be sure about what awakened Clare would do
2nd case she doesn’t kill Prissy and dies (which doesn’t change anything) but because she chose to engage in a seemingly unwinnable battle (every way you look at it Clare wouldn’t be able to win) she left her friends and comrades to almost certainly die.
Where is the helping others part?
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Your proof is your assumption that Clare wants to throw everything JUST for that. I don't buy it, from what we've seen in the manga revenge isn't the only thing she thinks about and it's not just for that. I'm pretty sure she wouldn't go to the same length even if Prissy wasn’t what she is if that wasn't necessary. If Priscilla was much weaker Clare wouldn't need to go over her limit. If Priscilla didn't kill anyone else except Teresa maybe Clare would forgive her. Who knows? You may be right but for now your guess is just as good as mine. I also doubt that revenge was her only reason to become a claymore. She probably wanted to go into Teresa's steps and also needed protection, food, etc. and I doubt she would settle for nice people that weren't Teresa anyway.
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You see what I mean here is not exactly the awakening part but the fact that she is throwing everything away for revenge. She would do that in order to get revenge no matter what the circumstances were and no matter what “everything” is.
If Prissy didn’t kill anyone else except Teresa judging by everything so far that won’t make a difference whatsoever. She said that that’s her goal in life, that’s her reason d’arte. Her goal is revenge.
Ok you’re right revenge wasn’t the only reason she became a Claymore. The other important reason was that she would be one with Teresa. It’s not like she became a Claymore with any youma. It was Teresa’s flesh. Either way it wasn’t so that she could become a hero that saves people. She did it for herself and no one else.
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There is only one reason why Priscilla could think Teresa deserved to die and that is: she killed people according to MiB. If it was like you say that she considered her worse than a monster then she was even more retarded. Blaming someone for all evil there is is what a 5 year old child would do, not 16-17 year old teenager. So if behaving like a child while being an adult is not a sign of being retarded then what is?
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She is not blaming Teresa for all evil. She is blaming Teresa for doing something worse than those monsters thus she can’t forgive her. That doesn’t make her retarded. Prissy believes that good should prevail over evil – that doesn’t mean she’s retarded but that she’s naïve – big difference. There is also no reason to doubt what your comrades and MiBs say as I already pointed out.
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Show me an article from reliable source where a mass murderer or serial killers would travel with a child and protect it (movie Léon is not a reliable source). That's against common sense. Such strange thing should make Priscilla doubt whether Teresa was indeed a bad person.
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So you’re saying that killers can’t love? I have to disagree there.
Every pedophile that kills his victims when he’s done acts nice with the child at the start, pats him on the head and says nice things. Of course if he could protect his victim from an outside source that would take it away from him he will. That’s not that strange.
Not saying that Teresa was a pedophile but I’m just pointing that protecting a child doesn’t make a killer any less of a killer.
And as for a reliable source I’ve come across that over the years by reading stories in the newspapers and watching shows about serial killers on the Discovery channel and similar programs. I could probably manage to find one though.
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I was talking about the town where she killed the bandits and where she fought with Priscilla. In the first case however I've forgotten that it was her job. So it's no surprise MiB knew about what she did and getting rid of "witnesses" wouldn't do her any good.
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That was just a random theory and beside if no one could confirm that it was indeed a Claymore
Who did it there’s no way to know for sure.
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As for the second time, Clare didn't ask her to get rid of a youma. A youma was holding a child and Teresa killed it on her own accord. If she was cold-hearted she would ignore it and go to the inn since if she intervened her cover would be blown and she would have to leave this town. This monster clearly bothered her not Clare. Sh edid something good even though it meant troubles for her.
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She was going to ignore it if it wasn’t for Clare. Look at the panel just before the ones you posted.
Clare was looking troubled and was pulling Teresa’s cape. In the next one Teresa asked Clare if she was sure since they wouldn’t be able to stay in the town if she killed the youma. Teresa was going to ignore that situation so she could stay in the town with Clare.
In this sense she didn’t kill the youma because of Clare but if Clare hadn’t done that Teresa would have left the youma alive so in that sense she killed the youma for Clare.
Besides this there is nothing to tell as that Teresa killed youma just to help someone out her free will. So this was one exception and she did it for Clare.
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It wasn't easy because it would mean that she would be blacklisted and have lots of troubles and that was something almost no one would do for strangers. There were a lot of bandits (at least 20 of them) and if she started killing without ensuring Clare's safety first she could endanger Clare anyway. How much time would a bandit need to do sth bad to Clare? The time Teresa needed to kill 20 bandits should be enough. Sure, holding Clare a hostage wouldn't make much good to the bandit unless he really intended to hurt her which Teresa didn't know.
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Yeas and the same applies to after she save Clare. Come on Teresa could walk past that falcon sword which was really fast. And that was without using any yoki. Of course she could kill them all before they do anything. She just didn’t have a reason to because the only one she cared about was Clare not the random villagers who were getting killed.
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Well, if Teresa was a cold, calculated bitch she would kill 9 warriors and MiB would lose 10 of them at the same time. What's worse, these would most probably be the strongest warriors, including the first death squad (otherwise, if they assumed Teresa would go willingly I wouldn't see a reason for MiB to send 5 of them and not just one, they were probably sure that even if Teresa didn't want to go the easy way they could deal with her). It would be a bigger problem. Before they could complete Alicia Teresa would be already cloaked and they wouldn't send after her small fries nor locate her. They would not be able to send abyssal eaters after her either. Not to mention, they wouldn't send Alicia after Teresa since she was needed to protect the organization from abyssals. MiB weren't stupid, they would know that Teresa wasn't a threat to them (at least not immediate danger) and they would have bigger problems than a claymore that wanted to be a mother.
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If they thought even for a moment Teresa would resist that execution they would have at lest sent one of the top 5 there. If they think low numbers could defeat a No1 because they had numbers on their side they were clearly nuts.
There were so many warriors at the execution side because it was an execution. Execution are made public so that you could show what happens to people who betray you. The idea is to have impact on the rest of the people who follow/serve you. Just think about all the public execution in the past and the ones right now. They are always done to show you still are in control. They don’t need a No1 to protect the Organization from the AOs. Otherwise they would have been wiped out after Teresa, Irene, Sophia, Noel and Rosemary died and Prissy awakened. That’s basically losing your tpo5. And still nothing happened. Irene wasn’t a threat to them at all - she was living in house in the middle of nowhere with no human contact still killed her. Same with Galatea. They can’t afford to let a Claymore who’s not under their control and has information about the MiBs and probably how the operate walk around freely. The risk is too great to let her be.
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Until new generation appeared Teresa would most probably be cloaked. Sending the most powerful trainee after Teresa would be useless since Priscilla (that wasn't even trainee any more) couldn't achieve that anyway. And they would need that trainee to take one of the spots in the major league and not to weaken their team any further. Even if there was someone courageous enough (read: stupid) to go after her and he could locate her it would end like with Audrey.
And Teresa would show how powerful she was by killing claymores one by one. If other claymore knew that no one returned after trying to take her head I really doubt they would be willing to do it. By killing claymores MiB would become weaker and weaker, they would have to fill the gaps. They would go deeper and deeper into trouble. At some point they would be so weakened that Alicia alone wouldn't suffice and abyssals would be able to destroy the organization. Do you seriously think that MiB would send another batch of warriors after Teresa even though the strongest ones failed? It would be similar situation like with abyssals or Priscilla. They wouldn't touch her as long as she wouldn't provoke them (and we know she wouldn't). Also, if they started sending after Teresa other warriors she would at some point lose her patience and kill them all at the source, the most convenient time would be just after killing Priscilla, Irene and the rest.
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Raphaela and Luciala failed in the soul link but the organization assumed they were failures and moved one. Why would Prissy’s case be any different? As I pointed out they weren’t really weakened since they had no problem still being in control even without their top 5.
The new generation fought an AO with confidence. From everyone’s point of view Teresa is weaker than an AO so they would go at her with even more confidence. The new gen knew Riful killed other Claymores before but that changed absolutely nothing.
As I said if you show your opponents that they can’t beat you and they realize it from their own experience the effect would be much greater than killing them and it makes a whole lot more sense in the long run. And yes the MiBs will send another batch eventually. Sooner or later they will find a way to take down Teresa. They basically got rid of the Abyssals. Riful wasn’t doing anything different now from what she was before. Still the MiBs had managed to create a powerful enough warrior to take her down and so they did. The would think Teresa is less powerful and Alicia + Beth + AFs vs Teresa would probably mean Clare would die in the whole thing.
Also the fact that neither Teresa nor Prissy nor any AO went after the organization right after they awakened means they probably couldn’t take the MiBs down.
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You usually warn someone about something for that someone's safety. And Teresa warned them to not go after her because it would end the same or worse. They would only lose their strength and be closer to awakening or die if Teresa lost patience.
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That didn’t sound at all like a warning but more like mocking. Does “I could crush you like flies every time I feel like it” sound to you like a warning? What Teresa said basically had the same meaning.
The reasons again.
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We don't know what Priscilla knew and it's more probable that she did know than she didn't since Irene knew Teresa killed bandits
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It was never mentioned she knew anything. It’s more probable that she didn’t actually. First off she never said anything about bandits. Second there was nothing mentioned about why Teresa killed them. Also if we assume that since Irene (who is a Claymore for a long time already) knows about it in the same line of thought you could say the top ranking Claymores know everything Galatea knows and everything Miria knew before she left the organization. The fact that one characters has inside information doesn’t mean everyone else have it.
Also Irene never said anything about this to Prissy nor was she aware of the circumstances under which that happened. Bandits doesn’t mean rapists and killers by definition. Also Irene was the one who said to Prissy “use all your strength to take her head” even though she knew those guys were bandits. It’s not who they were that was important but rather what were the circumstances. And again Prissy nor anyone else mentioned the word bandits while she was present.
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Since bandits do bad things by killing them she protects other people. From Priscilla's point of view she killed some people while at the same time protected more people
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So what if bandits do bad things in general? That doesn’t imply there were as bad as we know they were. She shouldn’t kill them just because they were bandits since Claymores protect humans as a whole. Besides as I said Prissy most probably didn’t know they were bandits in the first place.
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I've written about this too many times already
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Yeah me too. I’m just going to add that What Irene said was that “Teresa cut them down”
Which doesn’t mean they lived. Probably the organization didn’t give them any detailed information about this and just said things that would make Teresa look guilty beyond doubt. That’s the MiBs style after all – manipulating information and people to no end.
Just like you could misquote someone to give a completely different meaning to what he said^^ (hope I didn’t do that somewhere since this is really long)
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Like I said, it was pointless to try explaining her why she did what she did. If Priscilla couldn't notice Teresa protected the girl standing next to her any words wouln't do much good either.
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Why? You also said Prissy didn’t give Teresa a chance to explain herself. She didn’t even try so how could she know it was pointless? Also as I pointed out protecting one girl doesn’t make a killer any less of a killer. So going by only that it was not enough to give her the benefit of the doubt.
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Priscilla ate tons of people literally. Assuming an average villager weighs 40-50 kilograms (including woman and children), even as much as 100 people would equal 4-5 tons. In one village there were at least 30 people (more than the bandits) and we know that Priscilla ate many villages in the North. Even one human would be too much but 10? 100? Or more? That's unforgivable.
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Yeah that’s an amusing fact but overall she killed less people than Isley. She stopped eating pretty fast and she hasn’t really killed any people after that. (yes we could argue about the last village again but as I said the only one that was human for sure was left alive so there is a very good chance all of the villagers were monsters before Prissy ate them) and on top of that she killed Riful (who became AO second and probably ate a “tons” of people as well), Dauf, Crazy Beth who would have eaten a lot of people herself (not mentioning Alicia since it was either her or Riful if Prissy didn’t show up) and a lot of hellcats who would still kill people before they themselves died. Even if killing people is unforgivable (again only our point of view since they need to eat to stay alive and from their point of view it’s not murder) Prissy is the only one who you could say isn’t as bad as the others.
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Eh... She didn't warn her that she already lost control and to not come near her. It was Teresa's fault for being such a sucker powering down and letting Priscilla have a sword near her but it was completely different than Clare's case. And Priscilla's instruction wasn't specific at all. She told her to kill her - that's all, while Clare told everyone to not come near her and Helen - a claymore that had ability to kill from a long range - to kill her.
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Because at that point she hadn’t lost control and was giving everything she had not to lose it. The first time Clare went past her limit in Rabona she said to people who had no idea what might happen to kill her. She didn’s say kill me with a crossbow from a far so there won’t be a chance that I strike you down first when I lose control. She never said anything about losing control over her own body. She said she’ll become a monster. And on top of that the sword wasn’t near her, she was holding it.
So what makes this different than Prissy? It’s even worse since at least Teresa is a Claymore and should know Prissy could lose control any moment. On top of that she has enough experience to know how to safely kill Prissy without anyone telling her how exactly.
And again Prissy was a hell of a lot more powerful than Clare and her mind was weaker so it’s natural that she couldn’t keep her body under control for a long period of time. I mean Clare said she could only do it for a second.
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Jean walked to Clare knowing perfectly what would happen, Teresa assumed that Priscilla would let be killed. Priscilla wanted to kill Teresa all the time and you're telling me that at the time she somehow converted to be a pacifist? Clare didn't want to kill Jean but save her. Like I said earlier, from trying to kill Teresa (while being human) she killed Teresa. We don't know whether she had control over her body or not but what we do know is that it was her intention all along.
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That logic is flawed. Clare wanted to kill Prissy all the time. What if I say she killed Jean so that she could go after Prissy later? Makes no sense right? No really what I jsut said makes no sense...
If Irene was standing over Prissy and was the one that got beheaded that would change things a lot. It was natural that if Prissy lost control the one to go will be the one that poses a threat to her. That happened to be Teresa.
Prissy didn’t have to convert to a pacifist too reprioritize what she felt was important. From all the things we know about Prissy it’s more likely that she would give up on hunting a “monster” rather than become a “monster” herself.
We know that Prissy wanted to kill Teresa, wanted to be killed herself before she became a monster, killed Teresa and completely awakened. I personally support the losing control idea because of the way Prissy acted, her character and what she said after she awakened as well as the fact that we know a Claymore could lose control of his body and do something he doesn’t want to do (Here is where the Jean Clare example comes in ) Saying that Prissy planned for that and tricked Teresa into lowering her guard looks laughable the way I see it since it goes against everything that happened.
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Of course not. But if I would see this killer not returning fire (in Claymore's case they could easily regenerate the wounds made by Teresa) and protecting a child and trying to help others I would seriously doubt it. And I would certainly not kill that someone but interrogate him first. And this analogy is flawed since all that Priscilla could go by was MiB's word, without any evidence (not even circumstantial). And MiB weren't exactly like the police, they helped only these villages that paid for protection so I would have a reason to doubt them.
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No he would return fire but only injure you in your legs so you won’t be able to chase him and the wounds won’t be fatal. I said what I think about the child thing. And again Teresa protected no one but herself. “Help others” is something I didn’t see there.
No you wouldn’t have a reason to doubt them unless you have lived long enough to see the whole picture from a different angle. They were the guys who were protecting helpless people from monsters who ate them. The MiBs were the good guys. (that is unless you know their true nature and Prissy had no way of knowing that) They took money because every organization that does something for others takes money. Or what the police just helps people without getting paid and every police officer is a person that became a police officer just for the sake of helping others and not asking for anything in return? That’s a really naïve view.
Do the soldiers that were ordered to kill someone for committing a crime during war time ask their superiors for any evidence? Does the firing squad ask for evidence before shooting someone who just said goodbye to his family? Do the soldiers doubt or ask for evidence when during a public execution some of the people watching start crying? Not really. They are doing their duty. These people assume that since the higher authority decided that was to be those people’s punishment they deserved it.
I should also add that even in our history every soldier who abandoned his post and practically deserted was killed if he was caught. It didn’t matter why they did it they still were shot dead. That was done to keep them under control (same thing with public executions as I said earlier). What I’m trying to say is that the MiBs could go after Teresa for just leaving the organization without killing anyone and there would have been Claymores who would hunt her. (this is actually the case with Irene and Galatea since they didn’t break any rules but just deserted)
If you were the same as Prissy back then I doubt you’ll do things differently.
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They weren't selfish ? She prioritized killing Teresa over protecting towns people and went after Teresa alone ignoring her comrades. As for Clare, it's not that she doesn't care, that is something she must do. Her reason for living. As I said, it was doubtful she would become a monster like Priscilla. And I strongly disagree that she puts her revenge in front of her comrade’s lives. Otherwise she wouldn't help others, wouldn't go after Jean, etc. She also wouldn't even talk to D&H.
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Protecting who? Protect from what? No one was in need of protection so it’s natural she wouldn’t protect them. Protect implies that someone has to be in danger in order for you to protect him.
Ignoring her comrades doesn’t really make her selfish. She didn’t endanger them nor asked anything of them. She went on her own. That I agree was reckless but not selfish.
And you’re sort of contradicting yourself. You’re saying that it’s not like she doesn’t care but it’s something that she must do since it’s her reason for living and at the same time saying she puts her comrade’s lives in front of her revenge. If that was the case she wouldn’t attack blindly while ignoring her surroundings completely now would she? She would throw away everyone for her revenge right? We’re not talking about Clare and what she did before and who she helped when she had the chance . I’m saying that what Clare is doing in ch100 criminally selfish.
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Like I said, not necessarily. She didn't know where all the bandits were and were Clare was, if she started killing bandits further away would be able to take action (do sth to Clare or other people, mix with them, etc.). She couldn't sense them after all.
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If they were so far away she couldn’t kill them in a blink of an eye they wouldn’t notice that someone is killing their comrades let alone know it’s Teresa thus realize Clare could be used as a hostage. If they had time to do that, they could have done it after Teresa killed their boss. (See you gave as an example that they could mix with the town’s people so what I said before about Teresa not knowing who of the people around were bandits isn’t that utterly stupid)
Fact is they died so fast they couldn’t do a thing. So yes she could have killed them right from the start if she was out to help the villagers. I’ll say it again Clare was her only concern and because Clare was injured by those bandits she killed every last one of them.
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As I said earlier you missed the previous panel which changes the meaning of what Teresa said completely. Teresa killed the youma because Clare wanted the youma dead. What’s the point of Teresa asking Clare “Are
you sure?” If she was the one making the decision?
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As I've written earlier, I've forgotten that MiB was about to come to this town. Teresa knew it, everyone knew it.
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Again I showed how this could still work somewhere above.
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I've written about this particular problem earlier so I won't repeat myself. In short going after Teresa was more trouble than it was worth especially if Teresa would start killing claymores. Maybe they would not give up (which I didn't say, I only said it would be most rational thing to do) but I'm sure after Teresa killed 9 warriors they would not send more of them for a while. That would still be mroe advantageous to Teresa, having few years of peace.
As for Miata, if Galatea could deal with her while at the same time fighting Agatha then even more so Teresa. And Teresa was also exceptionally good at youki sensing so even if Miata was on pills there would be high chances she would sense her. MiB never stop at hunting claymores because they're sure they can hunt them down. Miata was supposed to be stronger than Alicia so dealing with Galatea shouldn't have been a problem. Rafaela (as strong as #1) was definietly stronger than one armed Irene (they knew she was one armed). But if they saw that Teresa is stronger than #1 candidate, Irene, Noel and Sophia they would have to come up with something much stronger. Teresa would become like Priscilla is now - a potential danger that should be left alone as long as it's not interfering with their goals.
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I also said why it would be a bad idea to kill them in the long run, There is truth in both ideas but I just see not killing them as a smarter thing to do.
And Miata could kill Galatea without any problems. An Awakened No2 (or was it 3?) was obstructing Miata who as far as I remember was using those yoki suppression pills. The AB was focused on Miata not Galatea. One on one it was clear who the winner was going to be.
Teresa didn’t sense Prissy which means she wouldn’t sense a suppressed Miata. And Miata wasn’t going to alert Teresa and give her a fair fight as I said earlier. So what if a no1 Candidate with and emotional trauma and psychological problems failed to kill Teresa? Miata isn’t No1 even if she is probably the most powerful now just because she has those same issues but they are more severe.
Teresa would never become a potential danger like Prissy is now because she is just a No1. She can’t be that much stronger and even if the MiBs failed they would just try again with something different.
Neither Irene nor Galatea nor any of the AOs or AB s were interfering with the organization’s goals but they were all hunted.
The organization would never stop going after Teresa so the only clear way is to make sure the warriors themselves lack the motivation to go after her. I said the rest of this earlier and what was the easiest way to do it.
By the time I finished it I forggot what I wrote in the beginning
2010-02-27, 20:57
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(Dumb Helen looking smile)
...this enemy that showed up near Yuma and Cynthia is a new enemy and not a known enemy, but one that's already been hinted at... 
ROD INFECTED VILLAGERS 
Then just think about... 
We could have rod infected chickens, goats, ducks, pig, cows, deer, gorillas, monkeys, and horses too! (Clare said all the rods needed was a life form... right? Though I think ants are too small... 
) Maybe even dogs and cats... 
Just as long as the ghosts never run into a vicious bunnies everything will be fine 
