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Old 2020-06-05, 01:18   Link #81
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That's nothing new. Most of the killer cops have had a track record.

Cops pretty much always walk. They almost never get convicted. It sucks but between the prosecution tanking the cases and the near-impossibility of getting 12 jurors to convict a cop, it's a fait acompli.
Yep, and now this happens: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ition-n1225451

They said he tripped.....

But this is ok because some protestors are violent.
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Old 2020-06-05, 03:16   Link #82
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No, I wouldn't. But without good data it is impossible to know the answer to questions like these.

Pew today republished some stunning data from its 2016 surveys comparing the attitudes of police officers with those of the general public.

[image redacted to save space]

You have to live in a cocoon to believe that "our country has made the changes needed to give blacks equal rights with whites." Attitudes like that make police more likely to deny the legitimacy of protests by blacks.
Regarding your last paragraph, I suspect you're in agreement with what I said in my previous post:
For example, USA is less racist now than it was in the 60s. Consider as well that during World War II, FDR sent the Japanese Americans to concentration camps, with many of them not receiving adequate compensation for the wealth and property that had been confiscated from them, yet Japanese Americans now enjoy some of the highest incomes in the US. There's lots of work to do going forward, of course, but I think most of us will agree that the US has come a long way since Jim Crow laws and WWII.
I'm happy to wait for data to come out as to how many instances there were of police violence against peaceful protesters, compared to how many instances there were of rioting and looting.

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The other issue that the media is reluctant to address is the role of provocateurs on both sides. I agree there is a small contingent out to take advantage of the thousands of peaceful protestors. However, while the Administration points to Antifa, the real threat seems to me to be white supremacist "boogaloo" types like these three charged in Nevada. There's ample cellphone footage of whites busting up stores and being restrained by black protestors.
What I find very interesting about the looting and rioting is that several members of both sides:
  • Blame the other for it (not surprising); yet
  • Seem to believe that the continued violence will actually further their cause (quite puzzling).

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your father's factory? WHO CARES!
My family does, as will anyone who is at risk of being looted.

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my family was RAPED
They weren't the only one either, and this kind of shit has been going on a while. And they still don't have justice.
Sorry for your family. I hope it won't happen in future to your family or to mine.

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And you act like racism has completely been solved after Suharto. Sure there were improvements, but do you remember Jakarta's Chinese Indonesian governor from a few years ago? He got jailed for something so trivial.

And let's not forget Jokowi's current challenger Prabowo. He's going all Trump with that anti minority demagoguery. Thank god he didn't win the election, but 40% of voters still voted for him. That's something to think about.
As I've said in my previous post, Indonesia has changed a lot for the better in terms of racism. There's lots of room for Indonesia to improve, of course, but wouldn't you agree that things are better now than they were 20 years ago?

I'm aware of Ahok's case and I was disappointed that he didn't win the gubernatorial seat. Nevertheless, wouldn't you also agree that Prabowo would have won this presidential match-up 20 years ago? The fact that 60% of voters didn't vote for him this time is, in my view, something to be celebrated and built on going forward.

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It's good that your family is a successful enough to manage their own factory. That means you can bribe police officers and other no gooders looking to harass you. I know it, because I've seen it.

But what about poor Chinese indonesians? They are at a constant pressure to shut up and be deferential, because look, don't hey, don't rock the boat. What happened to the governor of Jakarta can happen to you.

I think Chinese Indonesians merely endured, and this is not over.
See, that's my observation about the effects of rioting in the US as well. The ones who were most adversely affected by the looting and rioting were predominantly the poor and less well-off.

Mark Jacobs responded to the looting of one of his many stores by saying, "Never let them convince you that broken glass or property is violence...property can be replaced, human lives cannot."

It's easy for him to say that from his position, but the numerous small business owners who were already suffering from the effects of COVID-19 don't have that luxury.

Not that my anecdotal evidence is in any way conclusive on this matter of course, but while we're on the subject, I'll add that my father is the owner of a small business. Losing that factory in the 1998 riots would likely have bankrupted us.

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But I've taken enough attention away from BlackLivesMatter.

I'm just going to that society follows a contract, and if you keep breaking the rule by arbitrarily oppressing minorities than sooner or later they'll realize that they shouldn't follow society's rule either. The threshold is just different among different minorities.

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I'm surprised that you don't agree with my view that rioting and violent protests are counterproductive. It's the same with Indonesia. If the Indonesian Chinese community had engaged in looting and rioting, I'd posit that the percentage who voted for Jokowi this time would be less than 60%, possibly even less than 50%.

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[Redacted series of events that I don't dispute]

People have begun wondering whether this is a rehearsal for an attempt to maintain Trump's control of government after he loses in November. I'm not that pessimistic, yet, but it is worrisome.
No dispute regarding your chronology. I'll just add a few more components for completeness:
  • There were instances of police running over protesters; and
  • Several police officers have also been shot or run over in relation to the looting and rioting.
  • Some state governors have enforced curfews in response to the looting and rioting, and police in some areas have enforced this very strictly.
  • Would you also agree that the vast majority of police officers weren't violent?

As for what happens if Trump loses the election, I have zero worries about that. I fully expect that he'll call up Joe Biden to congratulate him for winning the election, and then go back to making a bunch of twitter posts in all caps.

Aside from that, what do you think should be done going forward regarding the looting and rioting, as well as the problems in the police force?

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Like SeijiSensei said, no one really knows.

But I'll add that even if the cops weren't violent toward peaceful protesters (which some of them absolutely are), it's still their job to make it possible to protest peacefully.

"They make it easy to riot" isn't a reason to ban large protest, it's a reason to tell the police to do its damn job. While protest organizers also have a responsibility to, well, organize, I haven't heard any complaint about them that wasn't simply "they're inconveniencing me for a cause I don't respect".

Basically everything that's come out of his mouth on the subject.

I don't have one.
Regarding the police, I'd point out that being a police officer in the US is a very very difficult and dangerous job with low pay. Being a few seconds late could cost the officer his or her life, as this activist found out when he practised a few use-of-force scenarios. In this other video (warning, graphic!), the actions by the two officers may look like excessive violence, but the person slipped away and pulled out a gun.

I'll be very clear though, the conduct of the police officers in Floyd's case was unjustified. The police also should not be given free reign to shut down protests unless it's during curfew hours set by the state governor. Conversely, randomly attacking police officers in retaliation is dangerous, while calling for defunding of the police is counter-productive.

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Yep, and now this happens: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ition-n1225451

They said he tripped.....

But this is ok because some protestors are violent.
It's not ok, which is why the officers involved were suspended.
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Old 2020-06-05, 06:55   Link #83
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What is odd is that both sides of the political spectrum seem to be reading the same signals, but blaming the other side for it.

The Democrats see white supremacist infiltration of the protests as the ones causing at least part of the rioting and looting. They see this as an attempt to keep the nation divided so that Trump can get some kind of justification to remain in office. Either by postponing the election, or throwing out the results (based on claims of fraud). Or martial law even.

The Republicans are suspicious of these white rioters as well, but see it as something like a Machiavellian move by the Democratic Party. To what end seems to differ based on who's narrative is being used. One is that the idea is to play the minorities to vote Democrat but enact laws that take away opportunities, than blame it on the Republicans. The other seems to be to use Antifa to continue to destabilize the country to allow some sort of takeover of the government, by creating a Race War. Some have claims that these whites were paid and bussed in. One account claims a guy was being paid off by Soros, though that could be the opinion of the writer's title rather than the guy's actual confession (didn't watch the video since there are too many things happening at once, and its a mix of Facebook and YouTube) However it remains unclear who's paid these people to be essentially professional protesters/rioters (being paid to cause property damage or insight violence).

Both sides seem to blame the other for the lot the minorities have. The Democrats basically call the Republicans evil racists, while the Republicans call the Democrats evil and underhanded with the notion that the Democrats are using the minorities while keeping them down and under foot (compliant with the Party Line, so to speak). A think I keep seeing getting batted around is a response to BLM from some Republican voters about other black citizens killed by the rioter or over the weekend before everything went down, but where killed by other blacks. The question being brought up by the Republican voters is, "did their lives not matter because it didn't fit your handler's/party line?"

Both sides drag up histories of the other side's Psy-Ops work over the last five or more decades, blaming the other for various nut jobs over the decades, or hiring people to be looters, rioters, or general protesters. The Republicans are highly suspicious of the protesters having "I Can't Breath" black shirts and masks all over the country so quickly, along some reports of convenient pallets of bricks in places where no construction is going on. (Something else about the Democrats supposedly would rather see the country burn than let Trump remain president)

Democrats are watching what the Trump administration is going with laws while the riots on underway (which distracts the media, that normally would be all over Trump). There was a move by the DOJ about LGBT+ not being suited to adopt children, and some some of anti-lynching law that has questions on its ridders.

The Christians are divided about the President's walk to the nearby church for a photo shoot. Some love it as symbolism of Christian leadership (God is with us types), others call him out for using it only as a political move with no faith involved behind the President's actions. There is conflicting information about the use of tear gas or pepper against the protesters between the White House and the church, though the Bishop is upset by Trump's actions. The Christians that support Trump are offended by the media having a fit over Trump going to a church, while rioters are burning other churches with no care from the media. The Christians that don't support Trump think it is disgraceful for him to use the church is this way (and were surprised the Bible didn't burst into flames).

Of course some of the Republican voters are entirely convinced this is another planned event to get Trump out of office. They tend to site a long, seemingly endless string of events set in motion by the Democratic Party to remove him, and claim each new one seems to come about just after the previous one failed to knock Trump out of office (by their wording: since the loss of Clinton, there has been the Russian Hoax, When that failed the impeachment started, when that failed COVID-19 started. and just as that starts to loose traction, George Floyd is killed and Antifa rises up (actually they refer to it as the "George Floyd psy-op/precursor to an Antifa terrorist insurgency.") This sometimes is accompanied by a suggestion that either we will get a massive number of new Democrats with COVID-19 in two weeks, or that COVID-19 wasn't not what the Democrats said it was (remember, these people are nationalist (American First/MEGA)...they not only could care less about the rest of the planet, they don't want to hear about the rest of the planet...so no news from outside...and in many cases, they don't trust the inside news anyway).

However some Republicans are speaking out. Either against Trump, or just against the situation as it stands now. President Bush spoke out recently, as have a few Senators and Congressmen. Some religious leaders as well.

Other Republicans discount them as being part of the Swamp. The older entrenched Military Industrial Complex politicians and other corrupt bureaucrats whom they see Trump as the one to finally get rid of them and break their hold on American (something they point back to President Eisenhower warning us about in the 1950s).

Thus impasses happen as the two sides see the same evidence, yet come to opposing conclusions about what it means, and blame each other over it, since the political spectrum has gotten very sports team like. You are for one team only, and the other one sucks, mentality....or worse. I fear that we may be heading into a situation similar to the 1920s Italy or Germany. But with the extreme Democrats as communist and the extreme Republicans as fascists. The problem is...the whites that are not white supremist in the party (which there are a lot more of than white supremists, some stating that the KKK has maybe 5,000 members, and half of them are FBI agents that infiltrated them to keep watch on them.), have gotten it into their heads that its the Democrats that are the fascists, mostly because they have been drilled that socialism is bad (due to Communism), but have decide that the NAZI's national socialism is what the socialism here is, thus label the Democrats as fascists (rather than communists, which would make more sense ideologically speaking) Which is odd since it isn't the Democrats that have taken the nationalist stance at all, but tend more for the globalist stance (which the nationalist Republicans can't stand at all, since they would rather the US to either be the Super Power, or be Isolationists again, like we use to be)

Another this that appears to have happened is the defacing of the Vietnam Memorial in DC. A black marble wall covered with the names of all the Americans that died in the Vietnam War.

Add to this the Governor of Virginia has called for the removal of a status of General Robert E. Lee from Richmond, to be placed in storage. This will be removed (without any public vote) due to the the Governor understanding the symbolism of Lee verse BLM. There are people calling it a means of suppressing history (covering up a evil chapter of the Democratic Party). Others of course are upset because they are Confederates at heart. Mind you the Lee family is fine with taking the thing down, since Robert E. Lee did not want statues of himself nor his generals to begin with.

Also it seems that Los Angeles will be cutting $100 million from the LAPD budget to redirect them to reinvest in minority communities. Republicans say they are just buying votes.

(Also this was long to type at this time at night...I should be sleeping)
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Old 2020-06-05, 07:30   Link #84
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Yes America is better at dealing with racism than it was 50 years ago, given that you probably cannot put the bar any lower than that. If you want to pat yourself on the back for that "achievement", go ahead. The idea that a country should be proud of taking one step forward while simultaneously also taking one backwards is naive to put it very nicely.
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Old 2020-06-05, 08:31   Link #85
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The biggest problem in the US is not it's racist population, what normal racist folks think about someone our something isn't really an issue. People will always differentiate themselves from others by having obsurd opinions or just different opinions. We simply just can't force people to think like we do

The real problem is the systematic racism that puts you into very uncomfortable situations. It's deeply rooted in the U.S system, even though progress has been made compared to how it used to be, it isn't really near the stage where it can be considered "remotely good"

Here's an example of how deep it goes:

U.S prisons are making profit from having more inmates which automatically makes it a business, which can't be objective because one of it's primary goals is profit. Targeting Afro-American communites, sentencing them to any kind of punishment leads to them not being able to vote and have an impact on the political aspect of society. This is strategic racism. Of course, people who break the law should be punished regardless of their skin color or origin. But it has been proven (not only proven, it is quite obvious if you just look at it) that there are a lot of cases involving people being sentenced for something they didn't do.

This might not occur on the same scale as before but it has definately affected different communities to this day.
[Putting my tin-foil hat on] Why do you think there are so many illegal drugs being sold and used in the slums? Who put those drugs there? Did the African-American community have laboratories where they could process heroin in larger scales during the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's? Did they have the facilites for that when they couldn't even get a seat on the bus to work?

I mean, conspiracy or not this is plain obvious from objective eyes. Spread the drugs within the populace of the African-American community, make the break the law and tadaaaa, they can't vote.


(Didn't expect my first post to be this deep, tbh i expected it to be something like "one piece is the best the rest can sit down" but hey, didn't know there were political threads here xD)
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Seem to believe that the continued violence will actually further their cause (quite puzzling).
I don't find it puzzling at all. There are extremists of all types. All these groups see chaos as their friend. The "boogaloo" boys want a race war. Some on the left probably want a violent revolution. (I don't consider antifa an "organization" the same way Boogaloo or the Proud Boys seem to be.)

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Of almost two dozen affidavits and depositions federal agents have filed since May 31 to back up criminal charges against individuals allegedly involved in crimes related to anti-racist demonstrations, The Daily Beast found only three that explicitly referenced a political figure or distinct ideology. Of those, one was the trio arrested in Nevada and linked to the Boogaloo movement. An 18-year-old in Worcester, Massachusetts, accused of tossing Molotov cocktails reportedly told local police he was “with the anarchist group.” And a 25-year-old whom authorities claim pointed a semi-automatic automatic weapon at a crowd in Lubbock, Texas also allegedly shouted "this is a revolution" and "Trump must die,” and posted on Facebook about planning to "off racists and MAGA people"—a reference to the president’s supporters.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/antifa...otest-violence

And let's not forget the Trump fanatic who sent non-working pipe bombs to leading Democrats and journalists. He got twenty years.

There are a lot of wackos in the US and they seem especially numerous on the right. The fact that so many of them are heavily armed disturbs me greatly.
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It's not ok, which is why the officers involved were suspended.
What a harsh punishment for leaving an old man bleeding in the streets and then trying to cover it up. Wonder what would have happened if one of the protestors did that.
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Exactly, imagine if there wasn't anyone recording that.
All these police brutality that we have seen are just the ones that we know about.

The police has been murderous for years, and the blue wall of silence has been protecting them.
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What a harsh punishment for leaving an old man bleeding in the streets and then trying to cover it up. Wonder what would have happened if one of the protestors did that.
Or even better, what would have happened if no one taped it.
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What a harsh punishment for leaving an old man bleeding in the streets and then trying to cover it up. Wonder what would have happened if one of the protestors did that.
Different thing, but on the subject of "it's different when the police does it":
https://twitter.com/leftiblog/status...62532278493185
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Uuuuiii, that Trump press "conference" (more like statement given he refused to take any questions again) was really yikes. Saying that Floyd would look happily down from heaven on this job rise was so..... wow, like how did he even thought this was an appropriate comment to make about a man who suffered strangulation for 9 minutes before his death?Man, this is just fuel into fire talk here...
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Uuuuiii, that Trump press "conference" (more like statement given he refused to take any questions again) was really yikes. Saying that Floyd would look happily down from heaven on this job rise was so..... wow, like how did he even thought this was an appropriate comment to make about a man who suffered strangulation for 9 minutes before his death?Man, this is just fuel into fire talk here...
Be honest, you didn't actually watch the press conference.
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Or even better, what would have happened if no one taped it.
This is the ESPN reply of the day.
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BBC has this interesting article:

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The US mass protests are raising eyebrows around the world, but China is watching with particular interest.

As anti-racism protests sweep across the US, Beijing has seized upon them to hit back at Washington for supporting last year's Hong Kong pro-democracy demonstrations.

Chinese state media have given extensive coverage to the protests, highlighting the chaotic scenes and alleged police brutality in America to claim that China enjoys greater social stability.

Speaking to an international audience, Chinese diplomats are attempting to portray Beijing as a responsible global leader, standing in solidarity with other countries in condemning the racial disparity and injustice in the US.
'A beautiful sight'

China's state news agency Xinhua described the US civil unrest as "Pelosi's beautiful landscape" - a reference to US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's comment last summer that the Hong Kong protests were "a beautiful sight to behold".

State media Global Times' chief editor Hu Xijin wrote that American politicians now can "enjoy this sight from their own windows".

Beijing has long condemned American politicians, including Ms Pelosi, for "glorifying violence" coming from the Hong Kong demonstrators, who are categorised by China as "rioters showing signs of terrorism".

Protests paralysed Hong Kong for most of last year, prompting Beijing to impose a new national security law in the territory in May, only two weeks ahead of the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square crackdown.

Aynne Kokas, senior faculty fellow with the University of Virginia's Miller Center for Public Affairs, says that both the US and China are contending with a high level of domestic instability triggered by the global coronavirus pandemic and political events.

"Now is a key moment through which China is able to leverage the lack of stability in the US, in order to more efficiently promote its own national security goals," she says.
Criticism over US applying 'double standard'

Chinese and Hong Kong officials have also called out the US for applying "double standards" in its response to civil unrest.

"You know there are riots in the United States and we see how local governments reacted," said Hong Kong's leader Carrie Lam.

"And then in Hong Kong, when we had similar riots, we saw what position they adopted then."

The officials' view is shared by many Chinese social media users, who dub America "the double standard nation".

Allegations of excessive use of police force during the US protests have been put under the spotlight by Chinese state media, to delegitimise Washington's position on upholding freedom and democracy.

In one example, state broadcaster China Central Television reported on American journalists being pepper sprayed and a freelance photographer partially blinded by a rubber bullet while covering the protests.

Georgia State University Global Communication Assistant Professor Maria Repnikova says that the scale and intensity of Chinese state media coverage on the US protests is unprecedented.

"It's powerful, because they are not making it up," Prof Repnikova says, but she points out that Chinese state media have cherry-picked the more peaceful pictures of Hong Kong police and the most violent ones from the US.

China itself has been heavily criticised for cracking down on press freedom, which is rarely mentioned by the government and state media.

On Weibo, many see America's freedoms and democracy as at risk, as police fired tear gas at peaceful protesters and military was deployed to quell the protests.

Ms Kokas says: "Chinese state media don't have to craft a narrative, they can just talk about the objective events that have happen in Washington DC, that undermines the very principle of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly."

The US's rhetoric about the democratic rights of Hong Kong now seems "very hollow",she adds, "when military helicopters are flying over [Washington] DC".
Chinese diplomats condemn US racism

The increasingly outspoken Chinese diplomats have seized the chance to spotlight the US's governing failure and promote Beijing as a more responsible global leader.

Ms Kokas describes this as a continuation of the country's propaganda strategy on the Covid-19 pandemic - when America fails, China is here to help.

Chinese diplomats on Twitter retweeted messages of UN and African Union officials, condemning racial discrimination and police brutality in the US.

The Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying tweeted "I can't breathe", with a screencap of the US state department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus' previous criticism over Beijing's handling in Hong Kong.

But another of Hua's messages denouncing anti-black racism backfired on Twitter, as she included "all lives matter", a phrase often used to undermine the "black lives matter" movement.

Meanwhile, there are reports that African residents in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou have been discriminated against and forced into quarantine during the coronavirus pandemic.

Beijing has not officially apologised for any mishandling, only stating that there were some "misunderstandings".

One Weibo user expresses "disappointment", as the person sees "some Chinese criticise others for racial discrimination, but when it comes to their own anti-black racism, they take it for granted".

China is also accused of detaining hundreds of thousands of Uighurs and other Muslim minorities in high-security prison camps in its far western Xinjiang region.

There's no doubt US protests have sparked heated discussion on Weibo - the topic is one of the most popular on the site this week. Related posts have earned more than 25 billion views.

Many Weibo posts "congratulate" the US for the civil unrest and push back at its support for the Hong Kong demonstrations.

One user writes: "The US government has been inflaming violence around the world, now the American people have finally woken up. The US government deserves this!"

And Beijing and its state media spread the theory that Washington was fomenting the protests in Hong Kong, calling it a "black hand" behind the unrest.

As US-China relations have soured due to the Hong Kong protests, trade conflicts and the pandemic, anti-America sentiment appears to be on the rise in China.

Thousands of Weibo comments describe the US protests as "karma" for Washington.

But some Chinese seem genuinely saddened by the situation.

"This is trampling on human rights! Democracy in the US came to an end at this exact moment," a Weibo user commented under a video showing the CNN reporter getting arrested, receiving thousands of likes.

Many on Weibo also voice support for the civil rights movement. "Nothing much has changed after generations of fights. I hope this time will yield better results," a comment reads.

One Weibo user writes about being "envious of the freedom of expression" in the US, as anti-government protests are often forcefully cracked down in China.

Some posts urge the state media to cover China's domestic police violence and injustice with the same level of dedication.

But liberal voices are often met with harsh criticism.

State-affiliated yet liberal leaning newspaper Beijing News published a commentary advocating for empathy and respect for the American people, but it was quickly slammed as taking a "pro-America" stance and received tens of thousands of negative comments on Weibo.

Social media has always been an imperfect window to observe China's public opinion. Its echo chamber effect is exacerbated by the country's information censorship.

Prof Repnikova says that the relatively liberal views may become even more marginalised on Chinese social media, as cyber nationalism, a combination of bottom-up sentiments and top-down propaganda tactic, is increasingly dominant on the sites.

"The more aggressive, nationalistic and vocal voices are taking over the space," she says.
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Old 2020-06-05, 21:56   Link #96
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Hmm no big surprise , the virus did what CCP want , to cause unrest in USA and further weaken the nation .
But then , USA kinda rotten for a long time , now all the symptom is adding up .
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"karma" is probably the best used word there at the moment.
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Old 2020-06-06, 04:35   Link #98
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George Floyd is looking down from heaven smiling upon the man who preaches equality and fair treatment while calling the military against protesters and thinking "What a great day to be alive!".
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Old 2020-06-06, 07:39   Link #99
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On the issue of data, here is a spreadsheet listing incidents of police violence with video links. There are over 300 separate events.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t?usp=drivesdk

Maybe someone is compiling data on riots and looting, but I haven't seen one so far.
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Originally Posted by ramlaen View Post
Be honest, you didn't actually watch the press conference.
Maybe you didn't look at the press conference either. Yesterday wasn't a great day for George Floyd since he cant be with his daughter right now, Yesterday isn't a great day for everybody that we still have a virus that still out there and still over 40 mil people is unemployed right now and Yesterday was only a great day for Trump and his allies with only with Stock Market and Job Numbers (oh the reason why it went down because White unemployment went down while black when up) that still having unemployment rates at 13.3%.

He didn't come up with any ideas or suggestions about dealing with this systematic racism issue or anything like that. So when he made that claim, it pissed me off because he want to think that George Floyd should be smiling with all of this mess going on right now.

If I was him, I will be talking to different civil rights leaders (He has John Freakin Lewis in the Congress and the best person to talk to about this) and organization to see what he can do as president to improve this relations. But Nope, he is talking about job numbers and other crap like that.

Sorry to make this post alittle bit longer but it is just sad that we have to continue with this and now if nothing is going to be done, it is going to get worst before it gets better.
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