2013-02-12, 12:17 | Link #5901 | |||||
Praise the sun!
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Sweden
Age: 34
|
Quote:
Honestly it pretty much points the same way for Zaft, the Zala squad was after it, but thats about it (Minus the random encounters of the Dinn guy and Andrew, but that was due to the AA interacting/running into squads, rather than Zaft chasing them) Quote:
When Uzumi blew everything up, the EA had nothing of interest left in that country, hence Azrael biting his lips when he saw everything go poof. The Astray series was built from stolen GAT-X data wasnt it? honestly, it doesnt make sense why Orbs technology would be higher than the EA's, if anything its the other way around since Orb couldnt replicate the Phase Shift technology Other than that, i fully agree with what you wrote above. Quote:
Quote:
For their size, Orb has a powerful military, but it's still a really small country, it was Fuku's " Ideal japan " if i recall, either way, its a country of small islands, just like japan. their military is strong - but seeing how they are such a small country they can't outlast the EA in the end, it's like putting 100 highly trained marines with a full loadout against 1000 ww2 soldiers, the 100 highly trained marines would be able to put up a good fight, but in the end the ww2 soldiers would win due to pure manpower, See what i mean? Quote:
Orb can compete with the technology, but not the numbers. |
|||||
2013-02-13, 01:15 | Link #5902 | ||||
Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
The exception would be in the case of the Archangel, where Athrun realized that ZAFT didn't need to attack Orb to get what it wanted: the Archangel. But this depends on the options available and the type of leader who is in charge. Quote:
As for marriage, we don't know what's going on there. Maybe they had to wait until Cagalli turns 18 to have the wedding. |
||||
2013-02-14, 16:20 | Link #5904 | ||||||||||
Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Your argument simply has no basis in the show. The EA simply no longer care about a possible MAD scenario the moment they decided that they wanted to annihilate the Coordinators and even used nuclear weapons to achieve that. Quote:
Quote:
And like I said, by attacking Boaz first, the PLANTs would also be ready. Quote:
They want a better outcome than what happened in SEED. Quote:
Quote:
Orb knows the EA's character from SEED. That is why they have a reason to think that the EA is not a reasonable entity that could be easily deterred. That's my point about Orb. And then, if you don't believe that the EA is such an entity, my point to you about the EA is the Berlin example. So the Berlin example is not about Orb. But it does further show the EA's character, and the EA's character is why Orb made it's decision. Quote:
Quote:
|
||||||||||
2013-02-14, 18:11 | Link #5905 | |||||||||
Praise the sun!
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Sweden
Age: 34
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||||||||
2013-02-15, 16:52 | Link #5910 | ||||||||
Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
But either way, Orb doesn't have nuclear weapons, so that's that. Quote:
It is you who are assuming that Orb should believe that they have could deter the EA when their last experience with the EA clearly show they couldn't. Quote:
Orb doesn't have to know about the Berlin example to know the EA's character, because they knew that from SEED. But the Berlin example is further demonstration to the audience of the EA's character. Is this really so hard to understand? Quote:
|
||||||||
2013-02-16, 19:12 | Link #5912 | ||||||||
Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
"We cannot take unprepared actions alone without conclusive evidence." So while they're not in doubt that the Archangel is in Orb, they still wanted evidence. |
||||||||
2013-02-16, 21:09 | Link #5913 |
Corrupted fool
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: I'm everywhere
Age: 33
|
I don't know about you guys but this is one of the most formal and longest arguments I've ever seen in an anime forum. No insults, no calling out to the characters. The web would be a lot more entertaining if we took their example XD
|
2013-02-16, 22:15 | Link #5914 | |
Black Steel Knight
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Indonesia
|
Quote:
Anyway, keep up the healthy arguments, guys.
__________________
|
|
2013-02-16, 22:57 | Link #5915 |
As I make you stop, think
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Europe - The Netherlands
Age: 34
|
You two are too know the ugly past of this subforum. This used to be the wild west, the most violent place on Animesuki, multiple never ending sh*t storms all the fu*king time! Now it's all civilized and sh*t, no fun.. Oh the good ol' days..
*continues to rock in my rocking chair*
__________________
|
2013-02-16, 23:12 | Link #5916 | |
Black Steel Knight
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Indonesia
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
2013-02-17, 13:29 | Link #5917 | ||||||||||
Praise the sun!
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Sweden
Age: 34
|
I know they didn't, i mentioned that in a earlier post. I said that it was their reason for invading Orb in SEED along with Azrael wanting to test out the 3 druggies.
Quote:
no, i simply accept the fact that the show took that route, even how retarded it may seem, arguing over the fact that it was a stupid choice. Which i've never denied that it was, i've only said that due to the Seirans being in charge, it makes more sense seeing how they are pretty much polar opposites to Uzumi (Instead of letting Orb burn to the ground to keep their ideals intact, they simply give up to the EA by abandoning Orb/Attha's Ideals) Destiny itself is BS, complaining that dogpoop smells like shit when you sit near it by choice is a pretty dull statement, you know Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Athrun:But as long as tha t's Orb's official response to the situation, sitting here and screaming our heads off saying its fale won't do us any good, will it? Yzak:What? Athrun:If we forced our way there, it would end up becoming a diplomatic matter involving our nation. Yzak: I'd say thats a pretty coolheaded decision, Athrun. Yzak: Oh, excuse me, Commander Zala *correcting himself Dearka:So, arte you saying we should just accept what they say and leave? Athrun: We'll have carpentaria apply some pressure, but if things aren't resolved quickly, we'll sneak in. So, from that conversation, where do they debate a full-scale conquest? Zaft wouldnt attack Orb, as i said earlier, Orb was on good terms with Zaft (and has been until Destiny i belive) There was never any discussion about a full-scale Orb invasion in episode 25, only Yzak venting off his anger (like he usually does, he has a bad temper after all) *Dearka is the one who wants them to " brute force " their way in, not Yzak, and he is quickly shot down by Athrun who reminds him that it wouldnt be like Heliopolis. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
||||||||||
2013-02-17, 23:22 | Link #5919 | |||||||||
Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
|
Quote:
It would be even harder to keep the NJC/nuclear weapons a secret from Cagalli if it involves Kira/Lacus. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
So, again, your argument is not supported by the show. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
So what factors would change things? You can't just say, oh, the EA didn't get anything last time, so now they won't want to attack. That's just wishful thinking. What does Orb actually have now that they could deter an attack when they could not 2 years ago? Quote:
Thus, by knowing about the EA from SEED, it is enough for Orb to reach the same conclusion: That Orb would be risking an attack if they don't cooperate. And with that conclusion, it is not out of character for a Seiran-led Orb to decide to join rather than fight the EA. Quote:
|
|||||||||
2013-02-18, 03:19 | Link #5920 | |||||||||||
Praise the sun!
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Sweden
Age: 34
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
@Destiny, Honestly, Seed was a fine show on its own, but then Destiny came and pretty much 180'd several characters, Orb included (which i'm sure you can agree on) with the introduction of the Seirans, up until Destiny Orb seemed like a stable country with a stable parliament. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||||||||||
Tags |
mecha, seed it and weep |
|
|