Mechs, Weapons, and Technology of Code Geass

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

Given that Britannia is the one with the scientist actually experimenting with nuclear technology, I would think she would be the first to come up with such a thing. Of course, Lakshata could always do something too I guess.

Possibly - though I don't think I want Code Geass to become a nuclear war - but it's possible that in the end, the threatof a nuclear warfare may be exactly what'll stop the warring once and for all, making the world of Code Geass enter a sort of Cold War at the end...

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

The introduction of nukes would certainly have effects within the power system. I'd have to wonder how other groups would respond.

Well, see above. I think it's clear that the revelation that Britanina has nukes along with a demontration of this would greatly increase the fear of Britannia in the rest of the world...

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

Given that Britannia is the one with the scientist actually experimenting with nuclear technology, I would think she would be the first to come up with such a thing. Of course, Lakshata could always do something too I guess.

The introduction of nukes would certainly have effects within the power system. I'd have to wonder how other groups would respond.

But then, perhaps they still haven't refined uranium yet.....

[Dann of Thursday]

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Possibly - though I don't think I want Code Geass to become a nuclear war - but it's possible that in the end, the threatof a nuclear warfare may be exactly what'll stop the warring once and for all, making the world of Code Geass enter a sort of Cold War at the end...

Well, see above. I think it's clear that the revelation that Britanina has nukes along with a demontration of this would greatly increase the fear of Britannia in the rest of the world...

I'd rather not have it happen either myself. I'd rather we not have a Cold War occur either, but I suppose if they had that lingering in the end things might now be too bad.

That it would. Lelouch and the Order would certainly have to think of some way to counteract that, now wouldn't they?

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

But then, perhaps they still haven't refined uranium yet.....

Hmm, I remember Lloyd talking with Nina at some point during Suzaku's Knighting party about Uranium I think. I can't remember the details though.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

I'd rather not have it happen either myself. I'd rather we not have a Cold War occur either, but I suppose if they had that lingering in the end things might now be too bad.

Well, we'll see if they really use it or not...

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

That it would. Lelouch and the Order would certainly have to think of some way to counteract that, now wouldn't they?

Indeed they would. Well, it could be solved easily enough though; using his geass, Lelouch might well be able to get his hands on one or more of their atomics bombs which Lakshata could copy or they use them against the Britannians then instead (could easily also be done by lelouch simply geassing the pilots into targetting the Britannian army/fleet with them instead of the japanese/OotBK/EU/Chinese...

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

Hmm, I remember Lloyd talking with Nina at some point during Suzaku's Knighting party about Uranium I think. I can't remember the details though.

She's simply saying that Uranium-235 composes only 0.7% of all natural uranium. There is nothing on refining and such.

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Indeed they would. Well, it could be solved easily enough though; using his geass, Lelouch might well be able to get his hands on one or more of their atomics bombs which Lakshata could copy or they use them against the Britannians then instead (could easily also be done by lelouch simply geassing the pilots into targetting the Britannian army/fleet with them instead of the japanese/OotBK/EU/Chinese...

Where the hell will you get the uranium?


Seriously, people thinking that nukes are as easy to make as a regular gun....

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

Where the hell will you get the uranium?

Seriously, people thinking that nukes are as easy to make as a regular gun....

Stealing it from Britannia could be a possibility . Or else, they might be able to get it from the EU or the Chinese federation in exchange for the secret of how to make'em for example.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Stealing it from Britannia could be a possibility . Or else, they might be able to get it from the EU or the Chinese federation in exchange for the secret of how to make'em for example.

Uranium refining does not seem to be an industry in this world, due to the existence of sakuradite.


The world of Code Geass is not our world. Stop confusing the two.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

Uranium refining does not seem to be an industry in this world, due to the existence of sakuradite.

The world of Code Geass is not our world. Stop confusing the two.

Hmm, perhaps so, althorugh I don't think we can be entirely certain as to whether it really is so or not (hasn't been any confirmation either way AFAIK).

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Hmm, perhaps so, althorugh I don't think we can be entirely certain as to whether it really is so or not (hasn't been any confirmation either way AFAIK).

It's been halfly confirmed during Suzaku's knighting party, where Lloyd talks with Nina on uranium. Nina says that even if there was a device to split uranium-235, there is too little to do any nuclear reactions.


If refining existed, she wouldn't have needed to worry about it.

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Hmm, perhaps so, althorugh I don't think we can be entirely certain as to whether it really is so or not (hasn't been any confirmation either way AFAIK).

yeah we can, the history lessons from the dvd booklets protray a wildly different timeline.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by ashlay

yeah we can, the history lessons from the dvd booklets protray a wildly different timeline.

Well, in many regards, certainly, meaning that some things that happened were completely different, whereas in other ways things didn't go too differently (for example, the car was still invented in the CG timeline).

Ah well, Kang may well be right though. That'd indeed complicate matters quite a bit (but of course, this is fiction so who knows what the storywritters might or might not pull out of their sleeves? )

[weirdo487]

I'm in agreement with above statement that nukes aren't as easy to make as a gun.
IN PRINCIPLE its a rather simple concept (this is inclusive to fission fusion and ERW types. No other working type exists to my knowledge) HOWEVER it takes high level calculus to even scratch the surface of how they work.

and to make another point
(according to information I've herd) the USA no longer has any ONE person able to by him/her self make any type of nuclear weapon.
that is to say
don't screw with them its a waste of time and even if you don't come close you will still get into lots of shit with ANY government (using a nuke is asking to get blown off the map this goes for ANY COUNTRY)

[Slick_rick]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

It's been halfly confirmed during Suzaku's knighting party, where Lloyd talks with Nina on uranium. Nina says that even if there was a device to split uranium-235, there is too little to do any nuclear reactions.


If refining existed, she wouldn't have needed to worry about it.

She was talking about the availabilty of 235 to test her theory which is why Lloyd was able to provide her. If Brittiania is refining Sakuradite they can certainly convert this plants to refine Uranium. That's a natural step in proving her theory.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Slick_rick

She was talking about the availabilty of 235 to test her theory which is why Lloyd was able to provide her. If Brittiania is refining Sakuradite they can certainly convert this plants to refine Uranium. That's a natural step in proving her theory.

And are you sure the process of refining sakuradite is the same as refining uranium?

Although come to think of it, Llyod may have given her some uranium 235, when you look at episode 20 of R1.

[Slick_rick]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

And are you sure the process of refining sakuradite is the same as refining uranium?

Although come to think of it, Llyod may have given her some uranium 235, when you look at episode 20 of R1.

Metal refining should be basically uniform just different methods are used based on preference.

[ashlay]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

And are you sure the process of refining sakuradite is the same as refining uranium?

Although come to think of it, Llyod may have given her some uranium 235, when you look at episode 20 of R1.

yep, picked it up at the local museum.

[JMvS]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

And there has been evidence in season 1 that she was researching nuclear technology and given her new position, she has probably made great gains in her research.

In one the pictures chapter (the bath one I think), she said that her grandfather was a scientist working the Ashfords, I suppose in the devellopment of the Ganymedes and Eon KMF series.

[squaresphere]

So I guess my next question would be, when do we get to see Nunnaly get a mobile "float" throne

[JMvS]

First you don't need Plutonium to make a Nuke, enriched Uranium is fine: the bomb that levelled Hiroshima was an Uranium one.

Spoiler for on nukes:

A fission nuke is triggered by the compression of a chunk of fissile material: the effectiveness of the nuke is limited by:

-the amount of total fissile matter (either Pu or U), you've got of course a minimal mass to attain the critical mass. As we can suppose Uranium refining facilities are almost non existent in the CG verse, that would prove a limiting factor, but I wouldn't be surprised if Schneizel had enough power to settle one in less than a year.

-the effectiveness of the implosion, to compress the fuel into a critical mass you have to contain the explosion and have powerfull explosives. I think that liquid sakuradite, like in Nina's nuke would be an explosive powerfull enough, and they would for sure have the material science and explosions simulations capabilities to design a container.

But we could probably skip all this heavy element mess by using Fusion Nuke: they are much more powerfull, lighter and "cheaper". To trigger a fusion reaction like the ones occuring in the Sun, you have to heat light isotopes of hydrogen or helium, so "our" fusion nukes require a fission bomb to act as a "matchstick", but in CG verse a liquid sakuradite charge may be powerfull enough wouldn't it?

About a fission energy generator, you have to keep in mind that we know very little about how they generate power in the CG verse.

Spoiler for on genrators:

It has been hinted that Sakuradite was a crucial resource because it was altogether a supraconductor and an energy source (much like Naqadah).
But how they convert probably liquid sakuradite into energy (like in SG-1) is somehow a mystery.

Maybe they already have the technology allowing to directly convert heat radiation into electrical power, so applying it to a nuclear reactor would be easy.
With such a technology we wouln't need heavy and cumbersome heat exchanger, turbines and power generators. Thus allowing to fit it into a reasonably sized KMF.

[JMvS]

Spoiler for for lenght:

Originally Posted by Var

The bomb Nina made, to be even remotely considered a nuke, would require Plutonium. At least, if we went by design and general use of the fact that it was degisned to detonate. Making it, more likely than not, an implosion type bomb. It was using the unstable sakuradite as an explosive, replacing dynamite and magnification lenses, meaning you'd need a plutonium core to actually make the fission process occur. That and she'd have had no way to create a trigger for something akin to Little Boy. She, more or less, created Fat Man.

Also, you're entire spoiler on nukes mixes between the varying types of atomic bombs that can be created. For instance, the sakuradite would not be in a Uranium-235 only version as it is a chaotic and unstable explosive. Gun-type atomic bombs, those that use only U-235, require a more controllable chemical trigger to cause the reaction. Not a 'wtfexplosive' to blow apart the delicate U-235 cylinder.

And... you grossely oversimplified fusion reactions to the point where its border-line troubling to my heart as a physicist. And its not helium... helium is your end result if you want to make an actually power fusion explosion. You use deuterium and tritium, and you heat it with precise lasers. Sakuradite has no relevance on it, unless it to has a laser property. The heating causes a fusion of the hydrogen isotopes, releasing helium and a charge nuetron. Your other option is the tokamak approach, which again, requires lasers. There are no explosive components in fusion power. Even the hydrogen bomb isn't actual fusion, its just fission with a brief inefficient glimpse at fusion at the heart of the explsion. And that still goes back to needing plutonium with Nina's design for the bomb.

I reckon I may have oversimplified, being mainly someone interested in politics, sciences and warfare, with a scientific background aside from vulgarization being that of material and earth sciences.

On the Fat Man/Little Boy comparison, the main diferences are that:
-Little Boy is the simplest to build, provided you have enough enriched Uranium : as enrichment requires extensive facilities. You "basically" have to unite two mass of uranium by firing one toward the other inside a big gun.
-Fat Man (implosive type), is much more complex to build: it requires a high deal of material science and perfect understanding of the implosion behavior; but it allows the use of plutonium, which is more "easily" available in quantity by running a reactor and purifiying the reactions by products. But mastering the implosive technology is also necessary for fusion bombs.

To emphasize this comparison, the whole Manhattan project provided enough fuel for 1 little boy and 2 fat man, the first one being fiable enough to be launched untested, the second one being the one tested.

Back to CG-verse, we know Nina used Uranium, thus allowing her to build a simpler Little Boy, as a Fat Man would require a lot of special materials and machinery. We could consider the fact that it was pinkish as a matter of aesthetics and liquid sakuradite being the most readily available powerfull explosive availbale to her.

Now about fusion reactions, deuterium is of course the main staple in actual weapons, but fusion reactions encompass several elements: hydrogen, helium and lithium: lunar or jovian 3He being envisionned recurrently as the clean energy source of the future.
About triggering fusion reactions, several ways are used or envisonned to attain the extreme conditions encountered in the sun:
-extremely powerfull lasers, such as the Megajoule Laser.
-OR radioelectric heating inside a magnetic field (Tokamaks), my school having one.
-a nuclear (fission) explosion => modern H bombs

-one of the prospects of antimatter would be the extreme miniaturization of H bombs: instead of a cumbersome A Bomb, a few micrograms of antimmater would be able to detonate it.

Thus my point that if liquid sakuradite is an explosive powerfull enough, it may directly be used to trigger a fusion explosion.