2013-06-11, 21:10 | Link #61 |
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It really looks like Square could have made a better Sora but they wanted him more cartoony to fit with the Disney cast. Still, I hope we a new trailer with new content in a short time because it looked like KH2 in HD.
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2013-06-11, 21:36 | Link #62 | |
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2013-06-11, 23:00 | Link #63 | |
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Xehanort tried to construct a pathway to it multiple times though. There's also the fact that the story has changed multiple times with every new spinoff after KH2... |
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2013-06-11, 23:08 | Link #64 | |
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No I remember he said it explicitly that it's not the real kingdom hearts in 3D..but now I'm not so sure. the one from BBS kinda fail at summoning it. There's also the fact that there are couple of different Kingdom Hearts throughout the series, which might implies that it's not the real kingdom hearts back from before keyblade war but only something that Xehanort created.
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2013-06-11, 23:33 | Link #65 | |
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Remember when the final boss of KH1 was the one and only Ansem? Then like as if it was Bleach or some other weekly shonen jump manga, the story is "expanded" by retrofitting some details into old events. Oh wait, this guy isn't really Ansem, it's actually some other guy using his name despite there being no foreshadowing in KH1 prior to the reveal. Since there wasn't any proper buildup, let's add a new flashback... (and why the hell were the citizens not aware that "Ansem" looked nothing like their king Ansem the Wise?) See what I'm getting at? Originally Kingdom Hearts was a very simple, Disney-esque concept: it is the heart of all worlds. To access it, you need to unlock it using a Key(blade), comprised of the Seven Princesses of pure Hearts. Then the "key" needed was changed to the Chi-blade in Birth By Sleep. Then we learn that all the past attempts at accessing Kingdom Hearts by "Ansem" and Xemnas were fake/failed attempts and that the real way to do it is to gather 7 hearts of light and 13 hearts of darkness. At this point I'm only enjoying the series as a simple hack and slash game. |
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2013-06-11, 23:46 | Link #66 |
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I remember Nomura saying in an interview he felt he needed to make the story more complex after the first game or else it wouldn't be able to compete very well against other JRPG franchises. To add on to that he also mentioned he didn't originally expect the franchise to be such a success that it would have warranted sequels, it was supposed to be a one-off thing, so he didn't really have any further plot planned past the first game at the time.
To me at least, that's a good enough excuse for all the plot stuff in this series people complain about lately.
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2013-06-12, 02:21 | Link #68 | ||
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I don't think it's that bad though. The beginning of the story back in KH1 was too simple. The story point of view was observed from Sora's eyes, who obviously rather ignorant about the history and world mechanism as a whole. This leave many things unexplored and that's why the convoluted new story can only be told by creating new story/flashback without proper foreshadowing. The story is still simple too to follow.. well at least until 3D. I just can't understand the mechanism of time travelling and the dreams. My only complain is that disney world seems to become more and more unimportant throughout the series. Completing the task in each disney world now feels like a chore until Sora reached an original world setting to continue the main plot.
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2013-06-12, 02:55 | Link #69 | |
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2013-06-12, 07:11 | Link #70 | |
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2013-06-12, 11:10 | Link #72 | |
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Well it's more like I'm utterly confused at what's happening in KH:3D. I need to ask many sources to understand the story, but I still can't explain the story after all that Seriously though, I don't know what word to describe the whole story other than 'convoluted'.. maybe confusing is better word? ;_;
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Not to say I never really thought of that though. From Days we basically saw how emotional Roxas became throughout the story, but I always thought that it's because Roxas was a special case.
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2013-06-12, 12:14 | Link #73 | |
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And even if you don't believe it to be a contradiction, that's still far different from being properly foreshadowed. There was nothing in KH1 to hint that he was an imposter until the reveal itself. That is not good writing. Neither is the reveal that Xehanort had the power to time travel from even before the events of KH1 and Birth By Sleep. The whole "you won't remember what happened after you leave" is a shallow coverup so that the knowledge can't be used to contradict earlier games. There are too many events in the series where I feel that there was no proper build up or hints at all before the big reveal and was only added into the story during a Final Mix revision or the same game when it actually happened. |
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2013-06-12, 12:28 | Link #74 |
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I'm more of a fan of Ashe in that regard. Personally if there are any female fighters I'd like to see from FF it'd be her and Garnet cause it'll bring Zidane and much needed non-brooding into the equation. It's high time FFIX got some more love, though before that I'd have to decide if I'm actually still interested in KH. Something about the cast shouting "DARKNESS", "NO WAY LIGHT!" over and over really got to me by the end of II among other issues to the point where I felt like I was finishing the game out of obligation. It felt like that game lost a lot in the charm department along with the story, dialogue and pacing feeling excruciatingly convoluted even by Square Enix standards. I'll just wait for more news, but I think I'm suffering FF and KH fatigue from Square Enix or something.
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2013-06-12, 13:08 | Link #76 | |
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I'm going to play the Kingdom Hearts games again. I have the first one, second one, and Birth by Sleep. I wonder if I'll miss much in terms of story if I just play those ones by the time 3 comes out. Isn't Dream Drop Distance kind of important? I don't have a 3DS so I can't play that.
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2013-06-12, 13:39 | Link #77 | |
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@Von Himmel: I don't think it's you. As I've argued I think the KH series, especially the latter parts of II, just has a really convoluted dialogue and overall scripting style that is sort of broken up and disjointed and forever peppered with cryptic references and mutterings. Most of it surrounds the Organization XIII and Kingdom Hearts stuff where it feels like in the effort to give them an aura of mystery they rendered these elements intangible. Supposedly though Birth by Sleep fixes and explains a lot that was incomprehensible in I and II and is a lot more straightforward and less disjointed than II but I haven't played so I'm only going by what I've heard. Last edited by Folenfant; 2013-06-12 at 13:51. |
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2013-06-12, 16:18 | Link #80 |
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^ hell yea, why the hell not other FF characters? kinda sick of lightning, she got in dissidia, let a damn FF9 character get in. the MC is more Sora's age...well height without younginizing them.
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