2010-04-27, 16:06 | Link #6981 | |
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It makes a difference to the people who you have bonds with, who you get on with, who you love and vice versa. When a person dies, it leaves an irresplacable vaccum that'll never be filled. Even the death of someone who is hated has some kinda benefit, means a person can get on with whatever they wanna achieve (see tyrants of history being overthrown), but there's value in life. It's all too precious and all too fleeting and finite in our present states, of course, if a person lives in relative comfort as a lot of us here do, then cherishing it is to be highly unlikely, sadly... It's just unfortunate when a person hasn't experienced pleasant situations to see their worth or when all they know is pain and hatred. (Then again, there are plently of stories of those who should have died/commited suicide or go on a school shooting spree who fight and better themselves for something semi decent)
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2010-04-27, 21:17 | Link #6982 | ||
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But given the fact how fast paced the world runs today, everything is boiled down to numbers and more numbers, that another dead man on the street just becomes : Oh it is another dead person. Lalala~ It is more about adapting to society by adapting to the "dog-eat-dog" thinking of the rest, so as to "fit in" and avoid being seen as a gullible "idealistic carebear who knows nothing about the social norms". But I do keep a minimal of my conscience to avoid ending up like the rest of the losers. Quote:
The survivalist mentality to avoid trouble or ruination of personal image came back to us in the form of occurences like the Columbine and Virginia, where people take the idea of "to live, you have to fight" to the literal extreme. As sure as you don't know the person, why not call 911 rather than taking a photo with that camera phone? I don't see how one can get into trouble calling 911 for aid and assistance.
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2010-04-27, 23:33 | Link #6983 | ||||
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For someone like me, who has spent years in customer service....I've never once treated any customer as less than human unless they truly did something that removed all doubt that they had no respect in kind . Even customers that really pushed the line got a smile and the best possible service I could provide. You'd be surprised at how many people are irate that the system simply doesn't care, but by finding someone who treats them as a person instead of just a faceless customer their whole attitude changes and they become much more pleasant and it's easier to find a satisfactory resolution. My attitude works in reverse as well. When dealing with customer service I put myself in their shoes and show patience, use polite words and manners, and try to be as concise as possible with my problem. It doesn't do much good to call up and scream into the phone at some person getting paid 8 bucks an hour. All I'm really saying is that even if you don't really know a person, they'll be much more inclined to give you the respect and compassion of a human being when you treat them like one too. You may care more on a personal level (following the monkeysphere theory), but that doesn't mean you should limit your caring to just the bubble simply because the rest are faceless. Maybe I'm just naive. *shrug* Quote:
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2010-04-28, 00:34 | Link #6984 | |
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Of course, this should be obvious. People who think to be virtuous is naive are just stupid or materialistic. Virtue is the greatest human rationality. |
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2010-04-28, 01:00 | Link #6985 | |
I don't give a damn, dude
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I'm actually not too surprised at this latest case of apathy from a group of people actually; the bystander effect has been well known and extensively studied in the field of social psychology ever since as far back as 1964; this, really, is just the latest case of that. Therefore, I would contradict Solace's argument that the reason heart attacks are so often fatal is because bystanders don't know CPR; I would say it's more likely that a group of people would look at each other and gauge the necessity of action from each other's behaviour; because everyone ends up doing the same thing i.e. nothing, no one will take the initiative. An alternative reason would be that the individuals in the same group of people all assume that someone else is going to or has already intervened, and thus refraining themselves from intervening. This is especially so if they believe that for example, someone else has already called the police, or someone else is a doctor and can provide superior assistance to themselves, etc. etc., which means they might be offering unwanted assistance. I'll not be so quick to condemn the people in the video (except perhaps the camphone kid, and even then....). It's an unfortunate effect of our psychological makeup, and one which thankfully can be superseded; by someone who is aware of this psychological effect, and can overcome it by taking the initative to help the person, and asking others to assist however they can (e.g. ask that guy over that to call the cops, ask if anyone in the group's a doctor or nurse, etc. etc.). |
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2010-04-28, 03:07 | Link #6986 |
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I would think the "bystander effect" the shrink mentioned on the clip has nothing to do with this particular case, as there were no crowds of people around the man dying.
All the people shown were individuals that passed by and did nothing, not gawk at the situation from a crowd. So yes, it is directly a morality issue of the passerbys. Especially the man who simply took pictures on his cell phone and walked off without calling 911 with that very phone he just used. That is a disgusting behavior, and I can't imagine what is going on through that young man's head.
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2010-04-28, 03:43 | Link #6987 | |
I don't give a damn, dude
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In the case of this clip, we only see what the video camera saw. And suffice to say, the field of view of that camera is rather....limited. * Darley, J. M. & Latané, B. (1968). Bystander intervention in emergencies: Diffusion of responsibility. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 8, 377-383. |
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2010-04-28, 06:00 | Link #6988 | ||
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Happening in NYC where there is a appreciable population, it could still kick in that kind of thinking. Anyway : Greece Cut to Junk at S&P as Contagion Spreads Quote:
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2010-04-28, 07:24 | Link #6989 |
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Give Solace a medal!
Anyways, I think that as many advancements society has made throughout its history, especially 20th century history, a lot of people's mentalities are stuck in the pre-historic era wherein you live by the philosophy to "Live and let Die." I find this especially common among people who have more to lose. Money, fame, power, influence, posessions, people value their lives according to how much they own, not by who they are as people. That's where the survivalist mentality comes from, and that's how people likely thought in the beginning of mankind. Our posessions have increased, both in quantity and quality, but how we treat what we have hasn't changed at all. The fact of the matter is that people don't realize we all walk on the same earth, all of us are human beings. What a lot of people don't understand is that life isn't valued by what we have, but who we are as men. It's not all about owning a Mercedes, or having a 3 floor villa, but it's about who would care if you died? By this, I don't mean "how many people would care?" An entire population made of millions of people would care, but who are those people to you compared to your family? Why would they care? Do they care because you were good to them and they mourn you because you will be missed, or will they care because now they can live happier that you're gone because of all the things you did to them? That's what defines how much you're worth as a human being. Now the problem with people not caring about a guy who'se obviously dying on the street is because those people will think that it's not their problem, they have better things to do and this life isn't as much worth as mine. How do you know that? How do you know that, as a human being, he is not as worth as you? Do you know him? Who are you to decide these things? Would you think it is right for them not to help you if you were the one in his death throes out on the street? Do you know if he has family, friends? Is it right to just assume that a homeless man has no family? You don't know that, you can't know unless you ask, and they only way to do that? Save him. Do the right thing and call 911. Regardless of legal implications, it is humane to help. He is another human being living the same world, going through the same hardships you, as a human, are going through in this plane of existence. Greece or no Greece, something like this was bound to happen eventually. I've said this before, All European nations cannot handle a single currency because not all of them are under the same roof like US states are. They don't respond to a single governing body, they don't share the same national economy as a consequence. Not every nation has resources they can contribute to it. Greece, for example, and other nations, mainly Slavic ones, don't have what other countries like Germany, France and Italy do. That's where the main problem is. If Greece wasn't going to collapse, eventually someone else would, and not neccessarily the poorer countries. I think Italy was just as likely to collapse as Greece was. Others just got lucky Greece came first. Last edited by Tsuyoshi; 2010-04-28 at 07:36. |
2010-04-28, 09:48 | Link #6990 |
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Venezuela leader Hugo Chavez takes to Twitter
I wonder if he ever responds if someone criticizes him on Twitter?
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2010-04-28, 11:10 | Link #6991 |
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Greece seems to be having a "California"-ish problem. They need to tighten their economic belt... but the middle and working classes are pissed because the pain is not being shared equally (from what I can tell from afar). Its the classic class of the rich getting to tiptoe around the problem (often caused by their decision-making) while the masses take the pain. OTOH.... I'm getting the sensation that the average citizen may be unwilling to take *any* personal pain to solve the problem, so the entire country looks a bit like a "don't wanna" tantrum. Hard to tell through media filters, the US corporate media is horrendous on the topic and the BBC/DW reports aren't really doing much "why" analysis, just reporting on the fracas.
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2010-04-28, 12:05 | Link #6992 | |
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Of course, we've found ways to cope. We've had to, to build our societies and live together. That's why we have concepts like courtesies, or laws. Or, heck, even altruism. We can't truly bring ourselves to care about everyone as our siblings... but we can pretend. And hey, it's not to say that some people don't risk life and limb for the faceless. It's not to say heroes don't walk among us. Quote:
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You know, it's going to be hilarious if one of you guys on you moral high horses finds himself in that kind of situation... and freezes. I mean, I'm sure if you'd asked those people on that video, they'd have said you have to help. It's not like they woke up that morning with the intent of being assholes. It's like the Milgram experiment. If you'd asked the subject one hour before it began, they wouldn't have thought they had it in them to be torturers. You never know. Maybe you'll be one of those guys (other cracked article to restore your faith in humanity.) But ask yourself: do you like your odds? Quote:
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2010-04-28, 15:17 | Link #6994 | |
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...153415820.html In short: German and French banks own a large part of the Greece debt and in case of a default stand to loose $120 billion. The Greek government faced with strong popular opposition is trying to negotiate a deal is acceptable to both the other European countries and their people. The German government is playing hardball in the negotiations as a result of home election pressure, they can't afford to be seen as soft. If Greece were the only vulnerable country there would not have been such a big problem. Unfortunately there is a contagion risk that could cause Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Italy to come under pressure as well. That's why Europe and IMF are very likely to try everything to prevent a Greek default, even if only delaying it by one or two years. Should things go wrong and market speculation causes more defaults then many European banks will fail. We are talking about a cost along the lines of about 25-50% of subprime mortgage crisis so it could have a global impact. The IMF is very active in attempting to shore up Greece as I doubt Washington would like to see a second round of bank bailouts. The Greek government in the mean time has some space to negotiate terms as they are aware that other countries have a strong incentive to help them out of a sense of self preservation. Needles to say this has resulted in a hate frenzy against Greece in the popular press. |
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2010-04-28, 16:32 | Link #6995 | |
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Japan to Launch Solar Sail Spacecraft "Ikaros"
http://inhabitat.com/2010/04/28/japa...il-spacecraft/
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When I was a kid in the 50's and 60's I read all of the "Tom Swift, Jr." series of books about a teenaged inventor. (There had been a series of earlier books about Tom's dad that appeared in the 1930's along with the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew series.) Tom invented a number of spacecraft that used "sails" and solar pressure to travel, detailed in Tom Swift and the Cosmic Astronauts (1960). Funny to see how that's actually coming to pass.
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2010-04-28, 23:11 | Link #6996 | |
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I explained this in the paragraph. Better for everybody including yourself.
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2010-04-29, 00:10 | Link #6997 | ||
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2010-04-29, 05:45 | Link #6998 | ||
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So.........when do we get one named Nymph and Astraea? Quote:
If you take a look carefully at the picture, Spain produces the most debt, while Germany holds the most. And the SEC's idea of building junk bonds to sell is just the subprime crisis all over again, this time the homes are that of many people, not just individuals. On the other hand, if they manage to pay the debt off.......anyone who bought the bonds are going to end up seriously rich.
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2010-04-29, 19:28 | Link #6999 | |
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i don't think Regan if he was running in 2010 could have earn the support of the teabaggers.
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