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Anh_Minh · 2018-12-13, 18:18

At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised if May decides to rescind UK's withdrawal and retrigger Article 50 so we can continue to make a mockery of everything for two more years. In case some people are somehow not unhappy enough.

Roger Rambo · 2018-12-14, 00:33

At least as far as I can understand it as an outsider, the main problem is that the UK wants a brexit agreement that gives the most of the trade benefits of being a member in the EU, while not having any of the responsibilities that comes with it. And that the EU is making the extraordinary move of negotiating in their own interests and not capitulating wholesale during negotiations?

Honestly this sounds like the Brits are trying to haggle with a vending machine when they have neither coin or crowbar.

James Rye · 2018-12-14, 14:30

And May walks home empty-handed as expected. Rumors said that during the hearing she said "Brexit means Brexit" as an answer to the other 27 EU-heads. XD
I wonder how long Labour waits till they trigger a no confidence in the parliament.

Kakurin · 2018-12-14, 15:05

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Originally Posted by James Rye

And May walks home empty-handed as expected. Rumors said that during the hearing she said "Brexit means Brexit" as an answer to the other 27 EU-heads. XD
I wonder how long Labour waits till they trigger a no confidence in the parliament.

Labour is useless. Corbyn is a left-wing radical and closet Brexiteer.

RichardFromMarple · 2018-12-14, 15:21

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Originally Posted by Kakurin

Labour is useless. Corbyn is a left-wing radical and closet Brexiteer.

Thats one of the great ironies of the situation, if Labour had a more mainstream leader they would probably be flying high in the polls.

Dextro · 2018-12-14, 18:42

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Originally Posted by RichardFromMarple

Thats one of the great ironies of the situation, if Labour had a more mainstream leader they would probably be flying high in the polls.

This! It's impressive how screwed up British politics are at the moment. Corbyn is an absolute disgrace. He's inability to capitalize on the Tories situation due to the fact that he himself is for brexit unlike most of the typical Labour base is what's effectively dooming the situation even further.

Kakurin · 2018-12-14, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Dextro

This! It's impressive how screwed up British politics are at the moment. Corbyn is an absolute disgrace. He's inability to capitalize on the Tories situation due to the fact that he himself is for brexit unlike most of the typical Labour base is what's effectively dooming the situation even further.

I usually don't give much weight to the verbal attacks different parties throw against each other. But in the case of Corbyn I don't think that May is that much off in her attacks against him. I do get the impression that Corbyn actually desires a disorderly Brexit that will sweep the Conservatives from the government. Then he would have the Brexit he wants, only that the Conservatives will bear the full brunt of the public anger and blame. On the other hand, that makes the Rees-Moggs of the Conservative party even more foolish. The harder the Brexit, the more likely it will make a Corbyn government.

James Rye · 2018-12-17, 14:16

You know, May saying that if her deal gets voted down she will do a no deal then afterwards... doesn't that give the Hard Brexiteers a perfect reason to vote down her bad deal to get the no deal they dream off? In other words she is just trying to scare enough Labour MPs for voting for her deal in fear of an accidentally Hard Brexit. That's pretty stupid of her.

**monir** · 2018-12-18, 22:25

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And stop sending her feces you ghastly people.

James Rye · 2018-12-19, 05:50

^I can't watch the video? Why is Germany excluded from the uploader's list? That's racist! :P

James Rye · 2019-01-15, 10:07

Today's the vote. Seems 98,3% of all betters bet against May winning. Guess the only question is how high her lose will be.

Arabesque · 2019-01-15, 12:34

I'm seeing numbers from 100 to 200 in terms of how high the expected margin of loss will be

Going to be a night to remember for sure.

James Rye · 2019-01-15, 14:38

Funny thing is that May might not even lose her seat because, well, who else are the Tories supposed to reunite in greater numbers than her for the remaining few weeks before brexit date?

James Rye · 2019-01-15, 14:43

Theresa May’s plan has been rejected by votes to 432 votes to 202 - a majority of 230. Holy shit! That is the biggest defeat a UK Premier EVER had! Holy crap that is even more than the newspapers predicted! The highest of theirs was 216!

Arabesque · 2019-01-15, 14:45

Um

Holy Shit

Like, holy shit

Arabesque · 2019-01-15, 14:49

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Originally Posted by James Rye

Funny thing is that May might not even lose her seat because, well, who else are the Tories supposed to reunite in greater numbers than her for the remaining few weeks before brexit date?

She's not losing her leadership position because she won the leadership challenge near the end of last year.

The UK government is in this weird position where the government will not change leadership, but will vote against everything the leadership brings forth

Maximum fuckery

There is no time for a general election either. The UK is going to crash out at this rate in 2 months.

Jesus. This was a dumb idea 2 years ago, and it continues to be a dumb idea today.

James Rye · 2019-01-15, 14:52

I have no idea how the UK thinks it can renegotiate the deal into something better in less than 2 months. And the Eu cannot have an interest into delaying the exit because of the EU elections plus delays means UK has to pay MORE money which they don't want to do. They don't even want to pay the 39bn Pounds they are supposed to pay for the past years and the projects they agreed to pay for.

Arabesque · 2019-01-15, 14:56

There will be no renegotiation, because even if the EU for whatever reason extends the exit date, nothing will change. The last 2 years had shown clearly the UK has no idea what it wants out of this farce, and no more time given will change that.

We will be getting No Deal or No Brexit at this rate, and given the level of stupidity at display, No Deal seems to be the more probable option.

Brexit is a stupid idea.

James Rye · 2019-01-15, 15:07

The UK should just do a hard clean Brexit and EU should accept it for it does starting to look better than... this mess. They don't even know what they want! How are you supposed to do a deal with such a nation?

Anh_Minh · 2019-01-15, 15:21

No Brexit worries me a lot more than No Deal. And the worst thing is, it is totally on the table, legally speaking.

View Poll Results: Should the British Remain or Leave the EU.
Remain	24	55.81%
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2018-12-14, 00:33	Link #902
Roger Rambo Sensei, aishite imasu Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Hong Kong Shatterdome	At least as far as I can understand it as an outsider, the main problem is that the UK wants a brexit agreement that gives the most of the trade benefits of being a member in the EU, while not having any of the responsibilities that comes with it. And that the EU is making the extraordinary move of negotiating in their own interests and not capitulating wholesale during negotiations? Honestly this sounds like the Brits are trying to haggle with a vending machine when they have neither coin or crowbar. __________________ DEEP WITHIN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE WHERE GENESTEALERS ARE MADE OF F***ING RUBBER!

2018-12-14, 14:30	Link #903
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	And May walks home empty-handed as expected. Rumors said that during the hearing she said "Brexit means Brexit" as an answer to the other 27 EU-heads. XD I wonder how long Labour waits till they trigger a no confidence in the parliament. __________________

2018-12-17, 14:16	Link #908
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	You know, May saying that if her deal gets voted down she will do a no deal then afterwards... doesn't that give the Hard Brexiteers a perfect reason to vote down her bad deal to get the no deal they dream off? In other words she is just trying to scare enough Labour MPs for voting for her deal in fear of an accidentally Hard Brexit. That's pretty stupid of her. __________________

2018-12-19, 05:50	Link #910
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	^I can't watch the video? Why is Germany excluded from the uploader's list? That's racist! :P __________________

2018-12-13, 18:18	Link #901
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised if May decides to rescind UK's withdrawal and retrigger Article 50 so we can continue to make a mockery of everything for two more years. In case some people are somehow not unhappy enough.

2019-01-15, 10:07	Link #911
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	Today's the vote. Seems 98,3% of all betters bet against May winning. Guess the only question is how high her lose will be. __________________

2019-01-15, 12:34	Link #912
Arabesque Licensed Hunter-a-holic Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: United Kingdom Age: 35	I'm seeing numbers from 100 to 200 in terms of how high the expected margin of loss will be Going to be a night to remember for sure. __________________

2019-01-15, 14:38	Link #913
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	Funny thing is that May might not even lose her seat because, well, who else are the Tories supposed to reunite in greater numbers than her for the remaining few weeks before brexit date? __________________

2019-01-15, 14:43	Link #914
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	Theresa May’s plan has been rejected by votes to 432 votes to 202 - a majority of 230. Holy shit! That is the biggest defeat a UK Premier EVER had! Holy crap that is even more than the newspapers predicted! The highest of theirs was 216! __________________

2019-01-15, 14:45	Link #915
Arabesque Licensed Hunter-a-holic Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: United Kingdom Age: 35	Um Holy Shit Like, holy shit __________________

2019-01-15, 14:52	Link #917
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	I have no idea how the UK thinks it can renegotiate the deal into something better in less than 2 months. And the Eu cannot have an interest into delaying the exit because of the EU elections plus delays means UK has to pay MORE money which they don't want to do. They don't even want to pay the 39bn Pounds they are supposed to pay for the past years and the projects they agreed to pay for. __________________

2019-01-15, 14:56	Link #918
Arabesque Licensed Hunter-a-holic Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: United Kingdom Age: 35	There will be no renegotiation, because even if the EU for whatever reason extends the exit date, nothing will change. The last 2 years had shown clearly the UK has no idea what it wants out of this farce, and no more time given will change that. We will be getting No Deal or No Brexit at this rate, and given the level of stupidity at display, No Deal seems to be the more probable option. Brexit is a stupid idea. __________________

2019-01-15, 15:07	Link #919
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	The UK should just do a hard clean Brexit and EU should accept it for it does starting to look better than... this mess. They don't even know what they want! How are you supposed to do a deal with such a nation? __________________

2019-01-15, 15:21	Link #920
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	No Brexit worries me a lot more than No Deal. And the worst thing is, it is totally on the table, legally speaking.