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Because Setsuna, who fought aganist a supped up flap was hit and retreating despite his superior suit,
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...which means he was following, what's the word, his orders to withdraw? And Graham landed one shot on his shield? That doesn't mean that Setsuna is somehow inferior to Graham; that just means that Setsuna can follow orders to withdraw. Besides, the entire point of CB withdrawing that episode was so that the Union could get brownie points for saving Taribia. None of the Gundam Meisters fought Union MS, even though we were told that Union MS were engaging. Does that make them bad pilots, because they fled despite their suits?
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the second time around, he's suits head was almost ripped of by sergie,
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Sergei's plan involved losing one limb, and hoping that the Exia,
which just chopped off a limb with its solid sword, wouldn't be able to chop off another. And low and behold, the designers of the Exia knew that there would be some things a solid blade wouldn't be good for, hence why they gave him beamsabers, covering one of Exia's flaws. Had Sergei tried that face move with any beam-saber equiped MS in any other series, would you have complained that a pilot who drew his beam saber was cheap for cutting off the arm? Because that's what you're really saying; that beam sabers on a gundam = bad piloting. Which I'm sure the likes of Amuro, Char, Kamille, Kira, Shinn,
or basically any gundam pilot ever would be surprised to know that they suck.
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and he won because he's suite had more out put and more weapons,
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His suit has had the same number of weapons since day one. The idea of using them sparingly is two-fold: it keeps secrecy about the Exia's abilities for a bit longer, and it is a dramatic effect in Bandai's goal to sell figures by showcasing each identity. It doesn't reflect on Setsuna's piloting ability, unless you suggesting that MS should only use one weapon ever. Meaning that Amuro sucked for having two beam sabres, a bazooka, a beam rifle, and a hammer, Kamille sucked in the Zeta for using the grenade launchers for surprise or because he unveiled the hyper-mega launcher for an operation, and let's not forget Kira and Shinn, who changed weapon set ups mid-flight. Clearly, they all suck.
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the other time when fighting against the mercs he was losing until his suits better weapon was able to destroy Ali's close range sword,
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He was fighting Ali, the guy who trained him to fight, was always supperior to Setsuna in those fights, and who Setsuna has serious issues with. And this time your argument isn't even that Setsuna pulled out a weapon he already had, but that he disarmed Ali? A Flag's plasma sabre could have destroyed Ali's solid weapon, let alone any beam sabre from any series.
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again with the mobile armor, he took several torpedo hits again,
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To the shield. Which is designed to take attacks to shelter an MS. Again, from any series. And Setsuna had clearly ditched the shield to draw his sabres, meaning that in effect that Setsuna did put an obstacle safely between himself and a threat. In the military, we call this "cover," and it's generally considered a
good idea. I don't know what Civies are told to think, but we are taught to like it.
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thanks to his suite he survived. Seeing a pattern here?
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I see that you are bitching about Setsuna having a beam saber, having more than one beam saber/close range weapon, and for basically fulfilling what would have happened in any other Gundam Universe to date, such as using a shield to block torpedoes/missiles, or using a beam saber at close range, or having a skilled rival in an inferior MS who puts up a strong fight. In short, Setsuna sucks because he has the skills of a typical skills of a Gundam protagonist.
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Virtue, after getting his shots dodge was about to lose until he revealed something the enemy didn't know,
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...you do remember that I agreed that Tieria relied too much on the gundam's power?
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and Kyrois's pilot seemed to have one too many screw lose to be piloting anything,
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Allelujah has a biological reaction when in the presence of a single individual. At no other time does he have problems with Hallelujah, and no one could have known or predicted the effect. And the effect is preventable, hence why Soma had any coherency in this last episode.
And none of which has anything to do with Allelujah's alleged over-reliance on his Gundam, and you haven't even mentioned Lockon. In your argument, you have basically accused only two of the Meisters of over-reliance on their Gundams, and one of them you accuse him of using beam sabers and acting like, GASP!, a pilot of a mobile suit.
I bow in the presence of your supperior analytical and argument skills.
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hence, in comparsion to pervious Gundam Ace's they seem to lack (so far) the aptitude for MS combat.
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You're joking, right? Have you even
seen Gundam series beside Seed? If you want "skill," look at the aptitude of Amuro, Shiro, or Uraki early in their series. And most of your "previous Gundam Ace's so far" were damn unrealistic: Kira was an ace the moment he jumped into a MS he had never seen before, and a number of the late UC gundam pilots went from civilian to ace in a matter of days. The last "trained" gundam pilots I can remember are Kou, Shiro, and Shinn. Kou plain sucked against Gato, Shiro litterally fell on his face the first mission, and Shinn was the only one to put up a skilled fight.
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Lastly, a good pilot would have been able to evade those tactics in the first place, in other words, a true ace would not have been stupid enough to place himself in such a tight spot to begin with.
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Translation: A true ace would have used a beam saber from the get-go, and using a beam saber as second choice when there are technical limitations to extended beam-saber use in this universe is a sign of idiocy.
Seriously, almost all of your complaints were that Setsuna used a beam saber, or something as strong as one in case of the GN Blade. Do you have any idea how pathetic an argument that is?
And I hate to break it to you, but the "true aces" got into similar problems themselves. Kamille had to deal with Water-Zakus, Kamille had to obey orders to pull back when he could continue to fight from a good position, Amuro had to deal with the various mobile armors and MS that shot missiles into his shield (as has every other gundam pilot in existence), and every gundam pilot has used a plethora of weapons to attack the enemy. And even late in the series they could be surprised: well after Kamille developed as a newtype, Yazan was still thrashing him, and played as a sucker with the Hamrabi electric rope manuver. By your logic, Kamille would suck for falling for that.
Seriously, you not liking Setsuna =/= Setsuna (or most the other Meisters) sucking, especially when Setsuna pulls off what just about every other pilot went through.
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