Ookami to Koushinryou (Spice and Wolf) Generic Discussion

[Chiibi]

Originally Posted by Exellon_Nanoha

do you think this anime would be for a girl? (me)

Yesh, I am a girl and I like this anime. It has a very "everyone" feel to it. And like the others said, the nudity is not ecchi or detailed. I call this type "Barbie Doll Nudity".

[FlareKnight]

Really would agree its just a complete package with Horo. Personality just comes to the forfront in whatever situation we find her in. Working that off Lawrence and you've got a duo that I'll be happy to watch the whole way though the series. Was impressed how they kept the nudity from feeling like some cheap fan service. More like just "well yeah that makes sense, wolf turning to human probably won't have clothes at the ready."

Originally Posted by TigerII

I still want to see the full wolf form. Unless I missed it somewhere.

Well I think the best view of her wolf form came in episode 1 right after the OP. It's not complete, with the top of her head and upper body slightly cut off. Will probably get a better view of it at some point in the series.

Originally Posted by Khaos

A bigger version just was necessary

Spoiler for Horo's tail animation:

Hmm a spoiler tag....Oh no...can't stop staring...at tail...

I'll probably be stuck here for 10 minutes or so, continue without me .

[Burner of Anime]

^^That tail animation, looks like she's fanning hot buttered potato's

For ep 2, Horo's "I like bearded men" line finds good company with Genshiken's cosplay idol

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Khaos

A bigger version just was necessary

Spoiler for Horo's tail animation:

I am completely memorized by the tail it makes feel like agreeing to anything.

It would look great in animated siggy

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

I agree with majority of people about Horo's nakedness its like an extra service. But what does for me is her playfulness. Sure that tail is awsome and just makes her even cuter naked Horo clothed Horo it all works for me.

Not to say i dont like the nakedness and dont want more nakedness. For gods sake im not priest nor am i dead

Funny how that would all change if they gave her some extra detail...especially around the chest area.
It's rarely I see a naked girl without their hair covering their chest...and even when it doesn't happen, for me to not go: OH MY GOD!

[Ultenth]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

Funny how that would all change if they gave her some extra detail...especially around the chest area.
It's rarely I see a naked girl without their hair covering their chest...and even when it doesn't happen, for me to not go: OH MY GOD!

You know, for me, even though the barbie doll nudity definitely does make somewhat of a difference, I think even with full detail it would still be markedly less sexual than if it were another character with a different personality. I think it's definitely more her personality than the pseudo nudity that makes it much more natural and not ecchi. I also think it would be far more ecchi if instead of full nudity if she was wearing just underwear or a neglige or something of that nature, as often times depending on the personality partial nudity can be a lot more sexual than full nudity.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Ultenth

You know, for me, even though the barbie doll nudity definitely does make somewhat of a difference, I think even with full detail it would still be markedly less sexual than if it were another character with a different personality. I think it's definitely more her personality than the pseudo nudity that makes it much more natural and not ecchi. I also think it would be far more ecchi if instead of full nudity if she was wearing just underwear or a neglige or something of that nature, as often times depending on the personality partial nudity can be a lot more sexual than full nudity.

I honestly prefer it the way it is But your right personality makes all the differences. After all when turns from wolf to human form its not like she has clothes anyway. I find myself listening more to her dialog even when she has no clothes.

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by Vexx

Heh, didn't know this was a multiple choice poll where you couldn't pick 60% of A, 30% of B, and 10% of C. I'll certainly admit from my perspective she's a complete package of adorable ... but then if Lawrence isn't included, her personality has no one to work off of. They are a complementary team.

Bingo. I think of it like Crest of the Stars: for most people, Lafiel is the main draw of the show, but without Jinto, her character development wouldn't be anywhere nearly as good.

Likewise for Spice and Wolf, Lawrence is every bit as important a character as Horo (arguably he's even more important), and the show won't work without him. The character interaction - the give and take of the dialogue is what really elevates the show to being something special.

[Vali]

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

ah sorry about butchering the names, was working from memory there.

oh i swore i mentioned Iðunn before. oh wait. yes i did.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=497

Haha my bad

I haven't been keeping up with the whole thread.

[Sorrow-K]

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

There you have it. Testimonials that even though Horo is often stark naked, everyone is only interested in her personality.

Hey, she does have a kick-ass personality. And, in all honesty, I can't really say that nippleless 10%-ers are a sexual fetish of mine.

[X207]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

I agree with majority of people about Horo's nakedness its like an extra service. But what does for me is her playfulness. Sure that tail is awsome and just makes her even cuter naked Horo clothed Horo it all works for me.

Not to say i dont like the nakedness and dont want more nakedness. For gods sake im not priest nor am i dead

im just glad they dont go into those details when she has no clothes on.

[Sparrow1770]

Originally Posted by TigerII

I still want to see the full wolf form. Unless I missed it somewhere.

You can see the lower 90% in ep. 1. There's a flashback scene where Horo is describing the pact that bound her to the village. ~19:20

The first few times I watched that scene I didn't quite realize what was going on there:



For some reason my brain just saw Horo as a normal sized wolf walking through a field with a person way off in the distance.

However this shot shows her giant wolf leg next to the guy...



So... there ya go.

[Vexx]

Oh.... I thought everyone noticed that. Yeah in wolf-goddess form there's just a bit of scaling up That's mostly why people "run away" as she mentions -- just just the wolf aspect but her size.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Sparrow1770

You can see the lower 90% in ep. 1. There's a flashback scene where Horo is describing the pact that bound her to the village. ~19:20

The first few times I watched that scene I didn't quite realize what was going on there:



For some reason my brain just saw Horo as a normal sized wolf walking through a field with a person way off in the distance.

However this shot shows her giant wolf leg next to the guy...



So... there ya go.

There's a REASON her paw practically filled the cart when she partially transformed. She's freaking huge as a wolf.

A somewhat unsettling thought came to me recently... With her comment about wolves growing smarter by eating the brains of humans (a not-uncommon superstition), I found myself wondering if Horo actually started out life as an ordinary wolf, and became what she is by... well... eating a lot of people. Hopefully not the case, but...

[X207]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

There's a REASON her paw practically filled the cart when she partially transformed. She's freaking huge as a wolf.

A somewhat unsettling thought came to me recently... With her comment about wolves growing smarter by eating the brains of humans (a not-uncommon superstition), I found myself wondering if Horo actually started out life as an ordinary wolf, and became what she is by... well... eating a lot of people. Hopefully not the case, but...

that truly is unsettling but it could be possible, i also hope thats not the case. either way she didnt get that big by eating ppl.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by X207

that truly is unsettling but it could be possible, i also hope thats not the case. either way she didnt get that big by eating ppl.

Wolves don't really get smarter by eating human brains either. It's part of the superstition: gaining part of the "power" of the victim by consuming them. Native American Indians were known to eat the heart of animals they hunted in order to gain some of that creature's strength. If we're going to allow superstition here at all (kind of have to to accept Horo exists), there's no reason to think a wolf couldn't gain enough power, intelligence, strength, etc. whatever to eventually become a god of sorts.

I'm just explaining the idea, understand. I don't believe that's really the case with Horo, and I hope it isn't. I really don't like to think of her hunting down and eating hundreds of people.

[X207]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Wolves don't really get smarter by eating human brains either. It's part of the superstition: gaining part of the "power" of the victim by consuming them. Native American Indians were known to eat the heart of animals they hunted in order to gain some of that creature's strength. If we're going to allow superstition here at all (kind of have to to accept Horo exists), there's no reason to think a wolf couldn't gain enough power, intelligence, strength, etc. whatever to eventually become a god of sorts.

I'm just explaining the idea, understand. I don't believe that's really the case with Horo, and I hope it isn't. I really don't like to think of her hunting down and eating hundreds of people.

same here, i see that its a very slim possibility also. but anime does occasionally throw curve balls but not many are possible in the remaining 10 eps.

[Vexx]

Pure speculation: Here's where a bit of Shinto creeps in. She may have spent her mortal life as a "wise wolf" earning the respect of other wolfs and leading hunts. After her mortal life ended, the other wolves respected and revered her memory to the point she became their goddess and was "reborn" as such - taking whatever form she liked. We don't know yet *why* she left her homeland though (and no I don't want to know yet). It may also be that as a new kami something caused her to drift south looking for a new home and when the young boy offered to worship her in exchange for the wheat harvest, it gave her purpose.

Any of these variations and many others might be her backstory --- but right now its just arm-waving based on existing mythology and lore about animism and the "old gods". Given the japanese predilection for re-interpretation (ref: vampires, etc) in anime, all of those could be off-base.

[FlareKnight]

Certainly a lot of questions about how Horo got to be who she is and why she set off on the journey. Something serious enough happened that she felt it was necessary to go South. Of course she couldn't have predicted making that promise in regards to the wheat.

Maybe she set off to make amends after a horrible fight or struggle that lead to the deaths of many humans. Or perhaps simply curiosity that she wanted to explore and learn. Possibly a search to find her place in the world.

Maybe Vexx is right and she was a great leader that was reborn as the Horo we know today. Or the more disconcerting thought that she did gain that intelligence and power by consuming people.

Just something we can only speculate upon and wait for an answer to show itself.

[TigerII]

O wow, thanks for the pic. That is a freaking huge wolf. It is a good thing they are acquaintances on good terms, or could you call Lawrence and her friends yet?

And I saw several pages back that someone hoped they would get romantically involved. While I enjoy my share of Romances, this is just one I hope doesn't turn into a romance.
Two beings who interact and, have their issues, and later on help each other with these issues is what I would rather see. I would rather they keep this a plutonic relationship.