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2009-08-08, 19:21 | Link #45 | |
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I tend to like DEEN works like Higurashi and Umineko for their story and characters even though they are lauded by the anime community as having awful animation. By contrast, The 11 episode Eden of the East bored me to tears despite having some of the best animation in the industry. I can see where you're going with that. I just don't want fans to be content with slideshows for animation with characters and stories being the excuse. I wonder what do Japanese Otaku demand? I mean, harem shows with some of the worst stories and animation tend to sell pretty well while good stuff gets ignored. Sometimes I get the feeling that anime geeks will buy anything regardless of quality, a la Haruhi S2 Endless Eight. |
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2009-08-08, 20:01 | Link #46 |
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Enjoyment and entertainment are the things that sells, not animation or even necessarily story. People buy what they think have a good re-watch value, or something they can have handy to show to other people. I guess that would explain the popularity of Queen's Blade.
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2009-08-09, 00:13 | Link #47 |
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This for me falls under the same way I look at games, great amazing graphics mean squat if the gameplay and its entertain value are not there for me.
As KholdStare says enjoyment and entertainment are what I want from what I watch. well its not like I would go out and buy any of this stuff on Blu-ray, even if I had the money, its a waste really, better just sticking with DVDs for anime. Like I do with movies I only buy big action packed, big CGI flicks on Blu-ray, ones where it puts blu-ray to good use where as stuff like comedies and so forth I buy on normal DVDs.
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2009-08-09, 17:12 | Link #49 |
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People that think anime should only be on DVD or it look just like blu ray when up scale have to be crazy . I don't buy any more dvds Even up scale blu ray look better than dvd. Plus most anime are not even in1080p. The day we get anime at 1080p24frames we would be lucky .
Also even with 32inch Tv you can tell SD VS HD anime and a certain viewing distance. I do wish more anime would use 5.1 something like macross F would have been awesome with it . On a side note thanks to sony being asses i won't be buying any more KNK movies . i bought 2 and dvds just don't cut with them .(i won't be milk any more) Hell Index look better than KNK movies thanks to it being on blu ray over dvd. Last edited by andy; 2009-08-09 at 17:34. |
2009-08-12, 08:01 | Link #51 | |
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Took me a while but here are some examples. Starting with Jubei-chan 2, a 2004 title: - Trailer , to you give an idea of how the show is like (sorry, the following have busted audio and missing subs but you'll get the idea) - making of - clip 1 - VA timing, testing to rough pencil sketches - making of - clip 2 - animator work; clip begins with vectorized digital paiting, see 2m42s for how such works start off More recent: Kara no Kyoukai .. still the same - a look in ufotable: - recommended: 720p version Drawn on paper--opaque or onion skinned over a light table--and hand flipped through -> TONS of paper for the hand drawn cuts -> scanned, vectorized, painted, composited, CG, edited & FX etc. - done with a set of cuts - digitization - digitization, lots of paper to go through - coloring - color keying - cutting room (some rough pencil sketches still used) Yes, part of the issue is that it's only vectorized insofar as tracing and painting goes, but most of the motion itself is not vectorized -- as in applying geometric transformations and letting software interpolate the frames for you. Although it's not as easy as it sounds and introduces a new set of challenges. The ufotable clip above also contains a short preview of KnK and if you look at some of the mundane type of motion, like 7m56s of placing suitcase, hand movement, etc, it is not as smooth as what you'd get with pure vectorized animation: ex1, ex2, ex3 (btw, and that's entirely done by just 2 guys + 1 animation director) As I mentioned above, my impression is that it's still easier said than done and introduces other issues, but just in terms of pure manpower required to do the tweening or even generate most of the key frames, it's hard to beat software. Last edited by npcomplete; 2009-08-12 at 13:32. Reason: formatting |
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2009-08-12, 15:51 | Link #54 |
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An upscaled DVD doesn't look too different to a bluray when I'm sitting two meters away from my 42" setup in my lounge room. @ncomplete, isn't that the reason why Kara no Kyoukai looks that way? You know, as if it were animated H-game art. Last edited by FatalMemory; 2009-08-12 at 17:46. |
2009-08-12, 17:23 | Link #56 | |
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I said "too different". Besides that, most of the "HD" stuff coming out these days isn't that great. You could buy the DVDs, rip the eps off and even using the least accurate resizer they'd probably look better than most of the "HD" TV rips that seem to be popular at the moment. |
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2009-08-12, 17:34 | Link #57 | |
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2009-08-12, 19:46 | Link #58 | |
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2009-08-12, 22:45 | Link #59 | |
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(Also, while it's not all that relevant because most HD anime is 720P, I'd just like to point out that a person with 20/20 vision can't see all the detail on a 42inch, 1080P image from two meters. You'd need to move up to 50 inches for that.) Which isn't to say that DVD upscales aren't just fine for 99% of anime watching situations I encounter, just that I can notice the difference in clarity. It's most notable with details in the background - character close ups and the like just get sharper lines. (A few shows like Macross Frontier benefit from things like extra "texture" on CG assets, but that's not as common.) If there was a trade off between HD and animation quality, I would go with the latter, but I see no reason to believe HD adds much if anything to the cost of a production unless you have to upgrade your equipment to do it. (And when I answer that, I should mention that when I say animation quality, I'm not really referring to increased frame rate as the OP did... I seldom like the look of shows that trade frame quality for frame rate.) |
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2009-08-13, 03:50 | Link #60 | |
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My later comment was aimed more at people who erroneously believe that a higher resolution always = better. So that other topic about files nowadays being HUEG must be pretty pointless then. |
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