Touma's Power: What can he block ?

[Haak]

Originally Posted by Dean_the_Young

Whether he intended to or not, Touma has become someone special to a significant number of girls, most of whom are, let's be honest here, not emotionally mature. We've already seen that they get jealous when he's around someone else not them, so the fact he's unaware of their feelings is rather irrelevant to how they feel. And it only takes some to make everyone miserable, and even if he doesn't know why other people's misery makes Touma unhappy as well.

Just like Touma doesn't need to show romantic attraction to anyone to get a prospective harem, neither does he need to show romantic attraction with anyone to get the problems of a harem. Especially a harem which is not about sharing (which would be a baseless sugestion), but a number of individuals wanting him exclusively.

Frankly, I think the 'harem' setup is one of the less entertaining aspects of japanese media of this type. Triangles can work, and work well, but there's no reason for every girl and her sister to be infatuated with one guy. More =/= better.

Yes but Touma isn't even aware of his harem. So how is he two-timing and leading multiple girls? Sure perhaps he has some responsibility to sort it out (if he knew what was going on) but really it's the girls' fault for being idiots. Not him. He maybe dense but to say he's a two-timer is a bit much. You have to actually be aware of doing it and be doing it on purpose to be a two-timer and be leading multiple girls.

[Miraluka]

Meanwhile Touma does'nt notice that he has a regular numbers of girls interested in him is going to be such thing like a real "harem".

No more off-tpoic please.

[Dean_the_Young]

Originally Posted by Haak

Yes but Touma isn't even aware of his harem. So how is he two-timing and leading multiple girls? Sure perhaps he has some responsibility to sort it out (if he knew what was going on) but really it's the girls' fault for being idiots. Not him. He maybe dense but to say he's a two-timer is a bit much. You have to actually be aware of doing it and be doing it on purpose to be a two-timer and be leading multiple girls.

Whether they're idiots or not, he'll still feel the misery it were made to be a real misfortune.

Which would be an appropriate effect of his hand, since it blocks all good luck.

Which is related to what his hand can block, which makes this technically on-topic.

[Miraluka]

About Touma "power", can anyone tell me about the procces speed of the imagine breaker?? looks like he can't deal much time against spells like Dragon Breath or the power of Carthena=Original.

[Dean_the_Young]

Imagine breaker looks to be instantaneous on contact. It's just that some things (like the fire-elemental from the start) can regenerate/propegate as fast as they are dispelled, or even faster.

[LastResolve]

About Touma "power", can anyone tell me about the procces speed of the imagine breaker?? looks like he can't deal much time against spells like Dragon Breath or the power of Carthena=Original.

the speed its the same as the speed of the beam whenever the beam stops the canceling will stop the thing is the Beam's weight was so much that his hand was nearly ripped apart

[velvet nightmare]

so in the latest railgun episode, touma blocks an explosion caused by gravity

is it just me or is he not supposed to be able to block it since it's like an after effect kind of deal

from the episode subs, it was explained that gravity is used to turn aluminum particles into a bomb, which would be the actual power at work so the explosion itself would be independent of each other kind of like accelerators vectors vs. flying objects

or is this all just another example of, if he wants to block it, he can

[Ashaman]

hard to say. IMO it's all about Power, Direct Effect or Indirect Effect. If you agree with the 'he can block railgun' then this is equally fine.
Btw, power refers to actual ability, e.g. Misaka's electricity, DE means an object that has been effected by an ability, e.g. railgun, accelerators steel beams. IE is something that has been affected by a DE. e.g. the explostion Accel created with the dust. We KNOW IB can negate Powers, and cannot negate IE. It's all about if he can negate DE.
the explosion comes under DE.

[LastResolve]

i had this idea maybe Touma's hand is absorbing paranormal abillities and return the subjects into their state before the supernatural phenomenom was active and the reason why touma dodged the steel bars was cuz of their weight

[velvet nightmare]

Originally Posted by Ashaman

hard to say. IMO it's all about Power, Direct Effect or Indirect Effect. If you agree with the 'he can block railgun' then this is equally fine.
Btw, power refers to actual ability, e.g. Misaka's electricity, DE means an object that has been effected by an ability, e.g. railgun, accelerators steel beams. IE is something that has been affected by a DE. e.g. the explostion Accel created with the dust. We KNOW IB can negate Powers, and cannot negate IE. It's all about if he can negate DE.
the explosion comes under DE.

unfortunately since we explicitly know it's gravity that's the underlying power we cant say the explosion itself is a direct effect. the 'graviton particle' manipulation shirai discussed would be a power but the effect it has on aluminum would be the indirect effect which leads to the explosion

to put this in a clearer manner, lets say someone just has the ability to create gravity. the person keeps on adding mass until it becomes self sustaining and a byproduct results in a natural phenomenon of a black hole. im inclined to say that touma should not be able to negate this black hole (putting physics aside saying he'll get sucked in or w/e)

same thing with accelerator, his ability is to accelerate objects for 1 second, anything after that is it's natural movement using newton's laws since you can take it as a second stage, or byproduct of the initial acceleration, ie what's done is done, it's already in the air moving and doesnt need the actual power to sustain it

Originally Posted by LastResolve

i had this idea maybe Touma's hand is absorbing paranormal abillities and return the subjects into their state before the supernatural phenomenom was active and the reason why touma dodged the steel bars was cuz of their weight

the idea of reverting back to original state would make sense

but in the case of the steel bars they'd fall vertically straight down (back to state of rest instead of continuing in motion) so he'd be able to just hold out his hand and walk in a straight line with nothing to worry about

bottom line is that accelerator is the one who makes touma's ability inconsistent, if we ignore it or fudge it a bit, everything kind of falls into place

[longshot]

agreed i think touma's power is to return things to the way they were but i'm still wondering if he were to return projectile attack like say a telekinetic psy tossing a knife at him would the arm canel the power throwing the name and stop it or does the knife continue and hit

[velvet nightmare]

Originally Posted by longshot

agreed i think touma's power is to return things to the way they were but i'm still wondering if he were to return projectile attack like say a telekinetic psy tossing a knife at him would the arm canel the power throwing the name and stop it or does the knife continue and hit

the answer would be yes because the power is still acting on the object when it encounters imagine breaker so it would stop the movement as well which is the cause of the movement in the first place

[MeisterBabylon]

Tying Touma's Haremizer powers to Imagine Breaker:

Assuming that IB breaks people's projections of their will, thereby neutralizing both magic and ESP, what if it's because it breaks any kind of willpower?

By extension of the way I think it works, IB thus also "breaks" the will of anyone to resist him. As such, all guys become his friends, all the girls fall for him, and the metros want to take him home as well?

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

Tying Touma's Haremizer powers to Imagine Breaker:

Assuming that IB breaks people's projections of their will, thereby neutralizing both magic and ESP, what if it's because it breaks any kind of willpower?

By extension of the way I think it works, IB thus also "breaks" the will of anyone to resist him. As such, all guys become his friends, all the girls fall for him, and the metros want to take him home as well?

Ummm... No there is a sensible explanation for that.

Spoiler for Explanation:

Much to Touma's mother's charging his father is so helpful that it unnecessarily attracts women to his father Touya Kamijo. Touma has that same personality of being helpful and in cases very heroic. Raising girls flags appears to be genetic. Only Imagine Breaker is unique to Touma.

[eiyuu99]

and IB don't always work in favour of Touma's social life...

[MeisterBabylon]

Well... What if his father had IB too, just that he doesn't know it or it isn't mentioned in canon yet because the old man hasn't got an awesome moment to himself yet?

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

Well... What if his father had IB too, just that he doesn't know it or it isn't mentioned in canon yet because the old man hasn't got an awesome moment to himself yet?

Good point

[Jaieni]

When Touma fights accelerator is he even aware that he could block the beams? When we saw him fight biribiri and when he blocked that aluminum can bomb it was before he met Index and lost his memory. At the time he fought Accelerator he could have been unaware of the full ability of his Imagine Braker.

Also, like other espers have different levels depending on the control they have over their ability will Touma eventually be able to block with more than just his one hand and eventually not even need physical contact?

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Jaieni

Also, like other espers have different levels depending on the control they have over their ability will Touma eventually be able to block with more than just his one hand and eventually not even need physical contact?

Question is Touma even an Esper to begin with?

AIM machines register him as Level 0.

One thing is for sure his right hand brings back the Supernatural back to mundane reality.

If we take Schrödinger's cat paradox applicable to both magic and espers. To them the cat is both alive and dead. The Imagine Breaker brings them to reality that the cat is either alive or dead.

[Miraluka]

Touma can't be esper because his right hand dispells the AIM field, the mana, telesma and sure other forms of energy.