2013-10-20, 23:17 | Link #2241 |
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Well, generally freelance staff coming in hinges on connections with the producers, or other members of the staff. That's pretty much how the industry works.
I'd rather neither of those two write a show for Kyoani though, Yoshida and Gatoh are better writers. |
2013-10-20, 23:32 | Link #2242 | |
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So what makes you think that Yoshida and Gatoh are better writers than Okada and Urobuchi?
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2013-10-21, 01:07 | Link #2243 | ||
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Whenever I watch a show where series comp is helmed by Okada or Urobuchi, I go in with apprehension, bracing for the precise moment when everything that seemed promising goes straight to hell. Quote:
Content aside, from what I've heard and from what little of it I've read, the writing is not very good at all. It shows in the anime as well, but at least that's able to break it up a bit with the original fights/jokes. |
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2013-10-21, 03:49 | Link #2245 | |
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Also: I don't think anyone at KyoAni could get Okada in check
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2013-10-21, 04:17 | Link #2246 |
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I would actually think Okada adapting a Chuunibyou like series with Kyoani could amount to hilarious hijinks and results. Would actually suit her quite well I think. Though definitely I would love more Hyouka style subdued series from them though I don't know if I should be banking on it any time soon.
Can't see Gen with Kyoani though since it's polar opposites in tone. To be fair though, I'm not even entirely sure it's a writer issue, but more of the fact that Kyoani is the most reluctant studio in the industry to go out of their comfort zone, which is not so good if you're doing different genres than what you're specialised in. You can't use the same gimmicks for a supernatural/action/fantasy series like you do for a slice of life/comedy. Last edited by Pocari_Sweat; 2013-10-21 at 06:04. |
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But yeh, I agree. Kyoani females are... how should I say, rather either hyperactive annoying, airheaded klutzes or mute dolls. Not very likable. |
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2013-10-21, 11:10 | Link #2250 | |
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b) Why aren't the same style of gags acceptable in a supernatural action series? No, really, why not? I think comedy is fine and preferable to the typically bad drama surrounding those kinds of works and that will inevitably surround Kyokai next week. c) I've said this many times before, but I honestly feel that if Kyokai was made by a different studio and had different character designs, but was otherwise exactly the same, you guys would have very little problem with it. This, to me, is the real KyoAni Exceptionalism. Yeah, because this is a statement that makes sense. Gen and Okada have both written weak-willed, useless female characters, and KyoAni shows have had plenty of strong girls (though usually not as main heroines, but that's pretty standard for anime). |
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2013-10-21, 11:28 | Link #2251 | |
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2013-10-21, 12:22 | Link #2252 | ||
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But stuff like the bucket-head scene in KnK is too cutesy and makes the character seem more like an air-headed K-On girl than the protagonist of a dark fantasy story. It doesn't matter that such scenes are less pronounced than in a KyoAni moe comedy, it still ruins the tone. Quote:
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2013-10-21, 12:27 | Link #2253 | ||
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True Tears and Hanasaku Iroha are also on that list. It's probably best to not get into an extensive debate over differences of opinion on the writing quality of particular anime writers, but I think that Urobuchi's and Okada's fame and popularity speaks for itself. Like it or not, a lot of anime fans love one or the other or both. Quote:
If Kyokai had, say, mid-range JC Staff budgeting and visual quality, I'm not sure I'd even choose to keep watching it. In fairness, this is a mixed blessing for KyoAni. It means that some people keep watching some of their shows almost for the visuals alone, and those people might be very critical of the other aspects of these shows. So this can make a KyoAni thread be much more active, but also have much more criticism in it, then a thread for very similar but less well-animated content.
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2013-10-21, 12:46 | Link #2254 | |
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By your logic, there's no difference between a desert and a forrest because a desert might sometimes rain. Or that's a funny post because sometimes your jokes work.
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2013-10-21, 12:48 | Link #2255 | ||
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No, they do not. They're not 'special', nor are they perfect. Quote:
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2013-10-21, 13:27 | Link #2257 | |
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2013-10-21, 14:39 | Link #2259 | |
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Forgot to mention that I'd want to see an Okada X Kyoani show because this forum would explode , I'd it'd be fun to see that !
Random trivia: she does know writers who have worked on kyoani shows: Hanada Jukki (KnK,Chuu2,Nichijo) , Yokotani Masahiro (free!), Shimo Fumihiko (Kanon, Clannad) have worked with Okada. But I think that's probably more proof that the anime writing world is a small one more than anything. Quote:
Yes that was a shameless WA2 plug cause I feel more people should watch it
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Another is a fantastic comedy, yes, but despite it having a comedy director it probably wasn't meant to be one at all. Quote:
That style of worldbuilding is actually quite interesting, IMO. Quote:
In this case I'd think that a lot of the complaints and criticism directed at KyoAni shows in particular are complaints that could be leveled at general trends in anime as a whole. KyoAni gets the brunt of these complaints because their shows inevitably have a lot of hype behind them, which results in more attention being directed their way, even from people who would not normally watch those kind of shows. I mean, you guys wouldn't normally watch "moe comedies", right? |
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