KanColle - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[AC-Phoenix]

3 Enemy carriers, no surprise there.
So the one eyed carrtier might be there to represent Enterprise, since the bombers that hit akagi apparently belonged to her.

This episode makes me really want to know where the US fleet girls are atm, snce e already know that they can't be the US ships at all, due to the intro pretty much stating the problem is global.

I doubt it will happen, but it would be nice if the US Ships would make an actual appearance now (Not in form of their anger/regret/Yang side or whatever the abyssals are) and help shoot the Abyssal carriers down.
At least according to Akagi they sghould at least be in the general area.



I just hope Kitakami didn't sink back there.

As for Akagi - My bet goes to Fubuki shooting the bomb down.
At least there is some light for Yamato though: As a fleet girl sending her to Okinawa makes little sense, since she can't become stationary by sinking in shallow water anymore.

Also for Akagi, see the quote in my signature :P

Edit:
At least we won't see any scuttling.
Would make no sense as long as they don't tell us that the abyssals could assiminlate Akagi and Kaga

[IceHism]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

Yeah, it's Taihō:

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I am so hyped. Glorious noto mamiko carrier

[James Rye]

Damn, the whole episode I was like "anybody but Kaga, anybody but Kaga". That beginning was like a brick to the face after 7 episodes of SOL. Where are you, Yamato? D:

Looks bad for the girls, wouldn't be surprised if some of them gets sunk next episode. Real question is if Akagi's suggestion to leave Maikaze out (who was the one who scuttled her in erh dream I suppose) will have an effect or not. Some stuff is different already, so is Akagi not carrying Kaga in her arms like in the dream. So maybe she will somehow survive? I dunno though, the Abyssals got them real good this time, would be kind of a shame if they didn't sunk a single shipgirl.
As long as said girl is not Kaga obviously. :P

I worry about the decoy fleet as well, especially about those Destroyer-chans...

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

3 Enemy carriers, no surprise there.
So the one eyed carrtier might be there to represent Enterprise, since the bombers that hit akagi apparently belonged to her.

The lone bomb hit on Akagi was dropped by Richard Best from Enterprise's VB-6. But can we just stop making guesses which Abyssal might represent which USN ship? If we apply that logic then Flagship Kai Wo right there is Yorktown, Hornet and Enterprise rolled into one.

And if we want to be very exact, the USN didn't get into a surface engagement at Midway and the USN sure didn't have any CLTs (the Abyssal Chi-class that appeared here).

[blitz1/2]

So, maybe Teitoku went AWOL to buy DMM points to purchase some extra buckets, and maybe the 5th DIvision may return along with Taihou as reinforcements.

[Klashikari]

For those who missed it or can't figure the full roster for AL/MI:

Spoiler for Fleet composition before Akagi's request:

Operation AL:
Mobile Unit 2:
Light Carrier Ryuujou
Light Carrier Junyou

Invasion Unit:
Heavy Cruiser Nachi
Light Cruiser Kuma
Light Cruiser Tama
Destroyer Akatsuki
Destroyer Hibiki
Destroyer Ikazuchi
Destroyer Inazuma

Operation MI:
Main Force - Invasion Force:
First Fleet:
Battleship Yamato
Battleship Kongou
Battleship Hiei

Nineth Fleet:
-Torpedo Cruiser Ooi
-Torpedo Cruiser Kitakami

Support Fleet:
-Light Cruiser Yuubari

Invasion Fleet:
Seventh Fleet:
-Aviation Cruiser Mogami
-Heavy Cruiser Mikuma

Second Destroyer Division:
-Destroyer Samidare
-Destroyer Harusame
-Destroyer Murasame
-Destroyer Yuudachi

Main Force:
Carrier Mobile Unit:
First Carrier Division:
-Standard Carrier Akagi
-Standard Carrier Kaga

Second Carrier Division:
-Standard Carrier Hiryuu
-Standard Carrier Souryuu

Third Fleet:
-Battleship Haruna
-Battleship Kirishima

????????
Eighth Fleet:
-Heavy Cruiser Tone
-Heavy Cruiser Chikuma

???? Destroyer Fleet:
-Destroyer Maikaze
-Destroyer Akigumo
-Destroyer Makigumo
-Destroyer Fubuki

Oh yeah... I don't get why 編成 was translated into "battle order" by CR...

[James Rye]

Looks like Agaki's dream is actually very different from the reality besieds carrying an unmoving Kaga. In her dream we see Souryuu and Kitakami getting hit, but we also see Mogami, Haruna and Kirishima there instead of Yuudachi, Hiei and Kongou who together with Fubuki was told to stay behind and wait for Yamato and her fleet.

Also can anybody enlighten me who Akagi is talking about when she says "I'm sorry. I couldn't protect her."?

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

The lone bomb hit on Akagi was dropped by Richard Best from Enterprise's VB-6. But can we just stop making guesses which Abyssal might represent which USN ship? If we apply that logic then Flagship Kai Wo right there is Yorktown, Hornet and Enterprise rolled into one.

And if we want to be very exact, the USN didn't get into a surface engagement at Midway and the USN sure didn't have any CLTs (the Abyssal Chi-class that appeared here).

As I already said in my earlier post - we already know they can't be either of the carriers, due to lore reasons established in EP 1.
Which is why it would be nice to actually see at least their planes appearing and shootingg down abyssals.

If what Akagi says is true the US ships would right now be in the general area, and could actually help shooting the abyssals down.

Don't get me wrong there I'm positive it won't happen, but it would be a nice way to end the show, considering that they aren't really enemies atm.

Originally Posted by blitz1/2

So, maybe Teitoku went AWOL to buy DMM points to purchase some extra buckets, and maybe the 5th DIvision may return along with Taihou as reinforcements.

Or he is just idling and doesn't get it because Nagato isn't a load enough boat to wake him up .

Edit:

Originally Posted by James Rye

Looks like Agaki's dream is actually very different from the reality besieds carrying an unmoving Kaga. In her dream we see Souryuu and Kitakami getting hit, but we also see Mogami, Haruna and Kirishima there instead of Yuudachi, Hiei and Kongou who together with Fubuki was told to stay behind and wait for Yamato and her fleet.

Also can anybody enlighten me who Akagi is talking about when she says "I'm sorry. I couldn't protect her."?

Her dream is probably supposed to be the actual midway, with her carrier hull being replaced by her humanoid form until the last scene.
The ships actually remember how they were sunk, in the game its mostly when they get sunk(Nagato), moderately damaged(Bismarck) or dream(Nagato) though.

Yuudachi even remembers the name of her captain.

Spoiler for Yuudachi's Kai Ni Game sinking line:

Captain Kikkawa... I can... see you again now... right?

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

????????
Eighth Fleet:
-Heavy Cruiser Tone
-Heavy Cruiser Chikuma

???? Destroyer Fleet:
-Destroyer Maikaze
-Destroyer Akigumo
-Destroyer Makigumo
-Destroyer Fubuki

Upper row is 随伴護衛部隊, probably meaning something like Escort Force.

Header for the destroyer is 護衛駆逐隊, something like Destroyer Escort Group.

[LoweGear]

You know, I once suggested over at another forum that the Admiral's treatment of Fubuki - from his dreams of marrying her, to powerlevelling her using Mobile Group 5, to conveniently assigning her as Akagi's escort in an all-carrier battle for her Kai Ni form without even knowing what it's capable of - was metagamingg on the Admiral's part.

I really didn't expect Kancolle to go meta as an actual major plot point though.

[Kopi]

Introducing Taihou is hype. S2 please. Disappointed that the abyssal humanoids don't have any voices again..

Just realized while the next episode's title is a reference to the carriers getting dive-bombed, it is also a reference to Aircraft Carrier Demon's attacking line.

[James Rye]

The Airfield princess is not the Midway Hime, right? I thought our girls would encounter the Midway Hime there in M1. Then again, could it be that Midayway Hime has yet to come into existence? I mean, Midway Hime looks like a mix of Akagi and Kaga so perhaps we will see Midway Hime in a possible Season 2. And if the studio goes with the "sunk shipgirls become Abyssal ships" then Akagi might really get sunk next episode. <.<

Should we do a poll on who we bet on to not make it next episode? My twenty bucks are on Akagi and Kitakami. :P

[chaosprophet]

My favorite episode so far. I like this concept of something trying to make then reach the same ultimate fate they had when they were ships. I'm expecting Bucky and Kongou coming to the rescue, likely Bucky shooting down that bomb.

Originally Posted by cloud04

admiral went into hidden coz he had to craft taihou at the last min?

That may be an interesting theory. Whether it's crafting or having to find the girl with Taihou's soul and making her equipment as quick as possible so she can participate on the strategy, that could be a reason why he hadn't show himself. Although even if in a rush, you wonder why he couldn't at least contact them saying he is safe.

@AC-Phoenix You mean the whole thing about fate means the US ships would have to be there? I disagree, it don't says anything about the actual time. In the past, or in a future time the US ships could end up fighting there and having their side of the fate regarding the Midway battle happening to them. In a battle where the abyssal would be representing the Japanese like how they're representing the US fleet for the Japanese ship-girls now. They're probably fighting the abyssal near their own waters, considering they're supposed to be overwhelming humanity a lot.

[Nicaea]

I still think that they will survive somehow. Still, where is Yamato? Did she somehow malfunction and use up al of her fuel?

[Ithekro]

Battle order or "Order of Battle".

The note is that was the planned list of ships. Not what was sent out this time.

The dream at the start was more or less what happened in 1942 at the Battle of Midway. Soryu being bombed. Hiryu still fighting even as Kaga and Akagi are limping along. Mogami and Mikuma running into each other followed by Mikuma sinking (they were part of the Main Fleet though, not the Striking Fleet or Invasion Fleet). Haruna and Kirishima as the carrier's battleship escorts.

The "modern" fleet is different, but is making the same mistakes, since Akagi can't figure out the details, only the ending. All the mistakes are the same...save when it comes to Fubuki and Kongo. The plan to meet up with the battleships was not exactly the plan. It was, but not until later. The Striking Fleet didn't leave anyone behind to wait for the Main Fleet that I remember. The orginal plan was to strike Midway and invade it. This would draw out the American carriers stationed at Pearl Harbor. By the time they should have arrived, the Main Fleet would be there and the Striking Fleet would be in position to crush the remaining American forces moving on the Main Fleet. The Japanese had even planned a location to wait for the American carriers after they finished with Midway. It was more or less the same location the American carriers were waiting for the Japanese (the Americans code named it "Point Luck" since what they did against the Japanse was considered a gamble at best and they needed all the luck they could get).

But having Kongo and Fubuki closer than the others gives them a chance....also the AL operation fleet has special orders. A ploy? An out. Bring in Sixth Division to cut off the Wo's chance of retreat (since we still have no submarines presented).

If Fubuki can deal with the Wo's planes, than the others can advance on the Wo's and Hime. Yamato's shells are perfect for Himes. And three Wo are not enough to deal with Yamato and company if they have proper AA (Fubuki, and if they want to be mean, Taihou).

Fubuki is fitted with AA that is very advanced for their fleet and Kongo is probably the most accurate battleship in the fleet (historically speaking).

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by Nicaea

I still think that they will survive somehow. Still, where is Yamato? Did she somehow malfunction and use up al of her fuel?

That's a good question. Two possibilities come to mind, they got delayed because they had to suddenly rendezvous with someone else / had to go through a different route based on those orders Nachi was carrying; they got stopped in their tracks by a suprise enemy fleet with possible an really strong enemy, like the Battleship-hime. In the later case, maybe while Fubuki goes to meet with the carriers, Kongou may go look for the others that are late.

I think chances of their mission changing based on that order to be more likely. There must be a reason they showed that to us this episode.

[orion]

Originally Posted by James Rye

The Airfield princess is not the Midway Hime, right? I thought our girls would encounter the Midway Hime there in M1. Then again, could it be that Midayway Hime has yet to come into existence? I mean, Midway Hime looks like a mix of Akagi and Kaga so perhaps we will see Midway Hime in a possible Season 2. And if the studio goes with the "sunk shipgirls become Abyssal ships" then Akagi might really get sunk next episode. <.<

Should we do a poll on who we bet on to not make it next episode? My twenty bucks are on Akagi and Kitakami. :P

Akagi survived the real Battle of Midway so she won't die here imo. Kaga, Hiryu and Soryu also survived that battle.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by orion

Akagi survived the real Battle of Midway so she won't die here imo. Kaga, Hiryu and Soryu also survived that battle.

Um, what? All four were scuttled at Midway.

[Eisdrache]

For the undisputed main ship of carrier force one, Akagi is seriously failing. Not only did she succumb to the pressure when being attacked, she wasn't able to come up with a decision when they didn't meet up with Yamato either.

As for the rest of the episode, if they sink Tone/Soryu/Kaga I'll rage so hard.
New kanmusu in the last episode, seriously?
Is 'river, river, river' a real message?
KTKM got hit/sunk(?)
No equip scene for Yamato?!

Overall this episode tried really hard to create a dramatical feeling but it fell short in very many parts.

[Ithekro]

The dream at the start shows the causualties of the Battle of Midway on the Japanse side (minus Hiryu, who hadn't sunk yet...though Mikuma was sunk after all of the carriers were scuttled.)