2007-05-21, 11:00 | Link #1041 | ||
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Perhaps... Perhaps... Perhaps... The fact that they're keeping a tight lip over this is suspicious by itself... Now I REALLY want to know Yuuno's role in this season... EDIT: Quote:
But Acous and Chrono doesn't seem to be working on the same thing this time...
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2007-05-21, 11:10 | Link #1042 | |
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If you actually look at Yuuno in episode 8.He seems to be sad when Fate mentioned jewel seeds in their conversation.I could see something big coming..he might be involved in this whole relic incident more that what we thought. This season so far gave good surprises hopefully they will do something about yuuno too |
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2007-05-21, 11:19 | Link #1043 | ||
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Actually, do we even have any reasons to believe that Carim would frown upon such acts? Being in the same league as Hayate... Quote:
There might be a simpler explaination to why he's sad about the Jewel Seed... Being a Scrya mage, it was his biggest failure (That we know of)
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2007-05-21, 11:27 | Link #1044 | ||
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2007-05-21, 13:17 | Link #1045 |
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I know of two tactics used by the TSAB to overcome an Anti-Magic Field: 1) Physical attacks, with or without a magical outside source. (Punching it or tossing rocks at it.) 2) Overcoming the AMF via brute force. (Higher magical ranking than the AMF ranking.) I'm wondering if there are any other ways that the team have come up with that doesn't require either overpowering physical or magical strength. Mainly because brute force attacks just seem so, well, unsubtle. (Not bad, just unsubtle.) |
2007-05-21, 13:18 | Link #1046 |
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IIRC (this is from the manga), elemental attacks are fine (so, Fate lightning attacks, Hayate Freezing spells).
Nanoha also used a "subtle" way : she blasted a cliff next to some drones, and they were crushed by the boulders and landslide
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2007-05-21, 16:57 | Link #1048 | |
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From Nanoha explanation in the manga, it seem that any elemental attack would work .As long it is done out of range,the AMF would only affect the spell during casting time if they are too close.Fried's fire blaze should be able to toast type 1 gadget drones easily. @dkellis By the way what would you consider Caro's binding the drones as? Not sure myself.It is not exactly option 2 since the binding was successful just because it was physical chain instead of magical one. |
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thus, with fate, magic was converted into electricity (well... electron and such...) Quote:
since they don't get dismantled when they catch the drones, we can assume their materialisation is pretty neat.
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2007-05-21, 17:27 | Link #1051 |
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I was hoping someone else would know the answer, to be honest. I'm not sure if the binding worked because the chains were physical (despite the fact that they were animated by magic), or because the AMF is ineffective against magic of that sort for some reason (whether because it's a completely different magic type, or because the AMF doesn't affect magic-in-items), or because the magic in the chains were more powerful than the AMF, or something.
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2007-05-21, 18:02 | Link #1052 | |
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2007-05-22, 08:27 | Link #1054 |
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Well, yes, that's what I meant.
Caro summoned real chains. Now, real chains in the real world tend to follow the laws of gravity, unless acted upon by an outside force. In this case, the outside force was magic. So. AMF vs chains moved by magic. Why did the magic not leave the chains and the chains just flop to the ground? That is what I'm curious about. |
2007-05-22, 08:30 | Link #1055 |
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Actually, isn't there an outside force? The drones, if you remember, are still trying to get out of the chains' grip.
The magic was probably only provided to move the chains and tie the drones up, and Caro can just let tension do the rest of the work. |
2007-05-22, 08:43 | Link #1058 |
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Got to remember though that those 2 drones seems to be semi broken from fried's fira blaze, chance that their AMF was weaken much therefore unable to nullify the magic moving the chain.
In the 1st place those are type 1 drones which had crap AMF not counting that they might be modified for the training. |
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Here're my wild guesses, rather vague and with many loopholes. 1) Metal Chain was a creature. From somewhere of SF-verse, Caro summoned mineral-based creature that is similer in shape to chain, and controled them to bind Drones. Quote:
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