Good Ending (GE)

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by Arturro

For some of us bad things were happening maybe not everyday, but almost every week. You're right about one thing - good friends could support you even if youre in dark, deep pit. Most of us were relly close as a friends - and it helped a lot.

In Utsu's case they are not separated by weeks, but in some cases by hours and thats just too cruel.

You know that the suicidal rate is much higher not because of one or two tragice events. You cannot say - she got raped thus she tried to kill herself, in most suicides it happens because of the string of events that eventually makes you too depressed and loose the will to live.

You just cannot seem to take a break, do not have a real friends to help you - thus you take a suicide as mean to to take a break, to escape it all.

Seems similar to Utsu's current situation.

Its the strings of those small bad things that are most dangerous, not the big traumatic past events that are separated by longer periods of time.

And thats why I am saying that Utsu turning into cynical bastard or trying to kill himself is quite realistic, specially because he doesn't really have true friends to help him out through darkest periods.

[Emotional]

wow new chapter are out, i kinda disappointed when utsumi found out that shou might have sex with her boyfriend. wow i didnt think they could go this fast, but kinda disappointed maybe iam kinda retarded but i never know shou should be this kind of easy girl. well thing start to get interesting:]]

[Westlo]

Vol 1's cover off mangahelpers

[HayashiTakara]

uh oh, it seems that people got some fake spoilers earlier

[-Sho-]

Chapter 16 :

the cover and "That charming dress wrapped around your body , is a 2nd year high school student still considered a child ?" that's make me laugh

Lol the cousin part

Well , they didn't say that they had sex , we just saw that Shou got a hickey .
But if yes , yeah , she's easy girl ...
Poor Utsumi , seeing her , hurt him everytime .
"Companion Failure" lol
Eri want to make Yuki x Utsumi happen .

[Xagzan]

Well, we're only 3 chapters behind in the scanlations now right? And yet for weeks people have been talking about how Utsumi's been getting shat on chapter after chapter. And at this point, I gotta say I still don't see it. He's still heartbroken sure, but it's not like bad thing after bad thing after bad thing happens to him every week. It's not like he has no possible hope left in the romance department. Hell, Eri's still a major UtsumixYuki shipper, so he's still got at least one person rooting for him. I'm just not seeing all this horrible stuff people were saying has been happening to him.

[KLGChaos]

Take a look at his life-- he got rejected, gets his head messed up thanks to Eri pushing him towards Yuki, only to be friend zoned, he watches as the woman he loves progresses in her relationship (in a matter of days), he's so depressed his grades are slipping and he's to the point of breaking into tears because he believes no girl will want him. Note, this is all within a week's time frame in the manga. I'd say that's pretty bad... and there's still more to come. Yes, it's not like his life has been ruined, no one has died, etc, but he has been kicked down pretty low and before he even has a chance to pick himself back up again, he gets hit with something new.

[frubam]

I see your point klg, but i gotta agree with xagzan. The Yuki thing was simply his misunderstanding due to Eri's words back then, and he "clearly" sees now that she considers him nothing more than a friend. His interpretation of why she helped him might seem full of negative empathy, but he's still feeling heartbroken from getting dumped, so of course he's gonna think that way. A lot has happened to him, but i can't really consider it "all these bad things keep happening to him" when "they"(the bad things) are merely the result of the single bad occurrence thus far. Now if things were happening to him that were relatively independent of each other(ex: Shou dumped him, then his parents get hurt, and his friends leave him due to some rumor about something, all within a short period of time), THEN that'd be too much. Also, it's not like he's lost everything in his life; he still has his friends and Yuki as well.

side note: since when has Eri become part of 'the gang'? >.>

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by frubam

I see your point klg, but i gotta agree with xagzan . The Yuki thing was simply his misunderstanding due to Eri's words back then, and he "clearly" sees now that she considers him nothing more than a friend. His interpretation of why she helped him might seem full of negative connotations, but he's still feeling heartbroken from getting dumped, so of course he's gonna think that way. A lot has happened to him, but i can't really consider it "all these bad things keep happening to him" when "they"(the bad things) are merely the result of the single bad occurrence thus far. Now if things were happening to him that were relatively independent of each other(ex: Shou dumped him, then his parents get hurt, and his friends leave him due to some rumor about something, all within a short period of time), then that'd be too much Also, it's not like he's lost everything in his life; he still has his friends and Yuki as well.

side note: since when has Eri become part of 'the gang'? >.>

He has no real friends at all. Thats one of the problems. They are basically just wannabe buddies who are not close enough to him to understand him and help him out when he really needs.

The only one who is close enough is Yuki and she is the reason of most of his sufferings (specially in ch 19 but even before).

All others are not friends.

Is the monkey a friend? What kind of friend is that if he cannot read even the most obvious Utsu's expressions and does not see if he is sad or not? He just the friend with whome you can talk about babes and who can lend you his porno magazines - nothing more.

Eri is too distant to be a real friend. She is just you basically energetic girl liking to help and being in the center of events but no-one really close.

Or maybe is that play-boy friend who cares more about how to lay a babe than about his friend?

Really, he does not have friends. Just some guys who are tagging alone. The only friend would be Yuki but again - because she is becoming the center of his tortures lately he cannot talk to her as well.

[Xagzan]

Originally Posted by frubam

I see your point klg, but i gotta agree with xagzan. The Yuki thing was simply his misunderstanding due to Eri's words back then, and he "clearly" sees now that she considers him nothing more than a friend. His interpretation of why she helped him might seem full of negative empathy, but he's still feeling heartbroken from getting dumped, so of course he's gonna think that way. A lot has happened to him, but i can't really consider it "all these bad things keep happening to him" when "they"(the bad things) are merely the result of the single bad occurrence thus far. Now if things were happening to him that were relatively independent of each other(ex: Shou dumped him, then his parents get hurt, and his friends leave him due to some rumor about something, all within a short period of time), THEN that'd be too much. Also, it's not like he's lost everything in his life; he still has his friends and Yuki as well.

side note: since when has Eri become part of 'the gang'? >.>

Since she grabbed his junk and called him humble son last chapter. (still don't understand that phrase but I like)

But yeah, basically all the things that have been happening to him after Shou going out with her senpai are pretty much tied to that, so it's really hard for me to see it as anything more than one big problem he's had in his life for about a week (in manga time). Not successive crapping-upons. Plus, the whole Yuki thing was really Eri's doing. I'm sure he would have developed feelings for her naturally, but what she said made him think about it right away. And since they haven't had any big romantic developments yet, her friendzoning him really just puts things back to status quo, except for his being heartbroken over Shou.

[frubam]

Originally Posted by Dark

He has no real friends at all. Thats one of the problems. They are basically just wannabe buddies who are not close enough to him to understand him and help him out when he really needs.

What can you say to him in this situation? Not much. They at least try to take his mind off it by inviting him to karaoke and mentioning the "not attend club due to poor grades" thing, which shows they have SOME concern for him.

The only one who is close enough is Yuki and she is the reason of most of his sufferings (specially in ch 19 but even before).

I will see when the translation gets there. I still lol'd at this since he would be fine due to him not getting close to Shou at all if it wasn't for Yuki.

All others are not friends.

Is the monkey a friend? What kind of friend is that if he cannot read even the most obvious Utsu's expressions and does not see if he is sad or not? He just the friend with whome you can talk about babes and who can lend you his porno magazines - nothing more.

Eri is too distant to be a real friend. She is just you basically energetic girl liking to help and being in the center of events but no-one really close.

Or maybe is that play-boy friend who cares more about how to lay a babe than about his friend?

Really, he does not have friends. Just some guys who are tagging alone. The only friend would be Yuki but again - because she is becoming the center of his tortures lately he cannot talk to her as well.

I don't see anything wrong at all in how they acted. What would you expect, for them to throw pity at him? It's not like they are laughing[at him] directly in his face. To me, they seem to stay within context of each of their personalities, which i find quite refreshing than the former(throwing pity). Also, I don't see how Eri is 'too distant'. Eri's technically doing for Utsu to Yuki as Yuki did to Utsu and Shou, just in her own way. She's simply shown concern, and only seems frivolous because of her personality, but i think she has the best intentions in mind, even if the end results are going to be painful.

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by frubam

I don't see anything wrong at all in how they acted. What would you expect, for them to throw pity at him? It's not like they are laughing[at him] directly in his face. To me, they seem to stay within context of each of their personalities, which i find quite refreshing than the former(throwing pity). Also, I don't see how Eri is 'too distant'. Eri's technically doing for Utsu to Yuki as Yuki did to Utsu and Shou, just in her own way. She's simply shown concern, and only seems frivolous because of her personality, but i think she has the best intentions in mind, even if the end results are going to be painful.

What is a friend?

A guy with whom you can hang out in karaoke or someone with whom you can be open with, or even when you try to hide knows you well enough to see something wrong?

These guys are the buddies with whom you can go to karaoke and places like that, but I would not count them as real friends.

Utsu does not talk to them openly, and they do not see if anything is wrong with him when he is suffering. And how can they? They are not real friends after all. They are buddies, who will hang out with you, but will hardly help you to get over the hardships because in most cases they will not notices you are having hardships at all, specially if those are kept insiide and are hard to notice for someone who is not close to you.

[frubam]

Originally Posted by Dark

What is a friend?

A guy with whom you can hang out in karaoke or someone with whom you can be open with, or even when you try to hide knows you well enough to see something wrong?

These guys are the buddies with whom you can go to karaoke and places like that, but I would not count them as real friends.

Utsu does not talk to them openly, and they do not see if anything is wrong with him when he is suffering. And how can they? They are not real friends after all. They are buddies, who will hang out with you, but will hardly help you to get over the hardships because in most cases they will not notices you are having hardships at all, specially if those are kept insiide and are hard to notice for someone who is not close to you.

Okay, I will say that classifying them as "buddies" over "good friends" could be appropriate. Still, even if they WERE good friends, that doesn't mean they would be able to help him overcome something like this. I don't think its right to say that they aren't "real" friends just because they didn't notice him wallowing in pity(which he never did directly in front of them) or because he didn't confide in them. There are many mangas where the main char would confide in someone he/she barely talks to, and just the same that doesnt' make that person a "real" friend of the main char. Anyway, I believe that they have done all they could do, given their position in the story and they have done enough to warrant the "friend" title for me.

[Xagzan]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

What is a friend?

A guy with whom you can hang out in karaoke or someone with whom you can be open with, or even when you try to hide knows you well enough to see something wrong?

These guys are the buddies with whom you can go to karaoke and places like that, but I would not count them as real friends.

Utsu does not talk to them openly, and they do not see if anything is wrong with him when he is suffering. And how can they? They are not real friends after all. They are buddies, who will hang out with you, but will hardly help you to get over the hardships because in most cases they will not notices you are having hardships at all, specially if those are kept insiide and are hard to notice for someone who is not close to you.

Yeah...I don't exactly talk to my friends about major life problems either. I find that's more romantic partner territory. And honestly, they could easily be the same type of guys who don't feel comfortable confiding in other guys, friends or not, the type who don't want to get all emotional with their friends. Who says Utsumi even wants to talk to them about it? This doesn't make them any less friends. Besides, sometime's taking the friend to karaoke's the best way to show they care. Not for me, though, I wouldn't be caught dead singing karaoke.

[Xion Valkyrie]

I feel like everyone's making a big deal out of nothing. He got dumped, okay, that sucks, but it happens. Then he gets friend zoned, okay, fine. He had a bad week, whatever, happens to everyone. Unless he has tendencies towards depression already, a normal person would not become suicidal because of something like this.

Anyways, his buddies reactions seem pretty normal. I mean, if your friend got rejected by a girl, you'd just take him out to have fun right? Most normal people wouldn't be worried that their friend would become suicidal. Considering he never got great grades to begin with, a slip on the quiz might not really be that big of an 'alarm' as everyone thinks it should be.

[HayashiTakara]

Actually if my friend got dumped / rejected, I'd kinda laugh at him and say suck it up life move on, work on your game better.

[Dark Mage]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

What is a friend?

A guy with whom you can hang out in karaoke or someone with whom you can be open with, or even when you try to hide knows you well enough to see something wrong?

These guys are the buddies with whom you can go to karaoke and places like that, but I would not count them as real friends.

Utsu does not talk to them openly, and they do not see if anything is wrong with him when he is suffering. And how can they? They are not real friends after all. They are buddies, who will hang out with you, but will hardly help you to get over the hardships because in most cases they will not notices you are having hardships at all, specially if those are kept insiide and are hard to notice for someone who is not close to you.

QFT

Well said! That's what being a real friend means. Just look at Sotomura from Ichigo100% he was a real friend, even though he would tease Junpei, and pulled pranks on him, even though he was a pervert, Sotomura still helped out Junpei whenever he was in trouble, provided good advice, became serious whenever the situation called for it, could understand Junpei moods to a certain extent, and would also Karaoke and do everything that a friend needs to do.

While Junpei's other friend Ookusa was a buddy who wont help you when its really needed and will always be distant with you and was more interested in laying girls, infact, he was trying to steal Nishino from Junpei, kind of like the playboy friend Utsumi has in GE. While, Junpei's other friend, was like the monkey friend Utsumi has, i.e great for talking about girld boobs, and figure and for sharing porns but not someone who could read your moods and give you good advice and help you in your hour of need.

Utsumi has the Ookusa and monkey type as his friend but he doesnt have someone sensible like Sotomora as his friend, Yuki was his only proper friend but Utsumi can hardly go talk to her when she, herself is the cause of his new trouble.

[typhonsentra]

I just want to point out his life hasn't been all bad.

Spoiler:

His grades did go back up, and regardless of what happens with Yuki from this point on he still seems poised to be grabbing the attention of the awkward stuttering co-worker who he thinks is cute but bitchy. That's something!

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by typhonsentra

I just want to point out his life hasn't been all bad.

Spoiler:

His grades did go back up, and regardless of what happens with Yuki from this point on he still seems poised to be grabbing the attention of the awkward stuttering co-worker who he thinks is cute but bitchy. That's something!

Yeah at a cost of burned hand being treated pretty bad. And again, this attention may be too much for him to handle as it well could just add more stress, because everything that this mangaka portray good turns out bad to bite him in the ass later, so I am not hoping for anything positive happening to him from all this.

It would be nice to be surprised and to see something good happening to him that would not turn out to be bad later but I am not holding my breath.

[YUNERO]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Yeah at a cost of burned hand being treated pretty bad. And again, this attention may be too much for him to handle as it well could just add more stress, because everything that this mangaka portray good turns out bad to bite him in the ass later, so I am not hoping for anything positive happening to him from all this.

It would be nice to be surprised and to see something good happening to him that would not turn out to be bad later but I am not holding my breath.

Yeah, seems like author want to torture Utsumi as much as possible first before give him a "Good Ending"..

Seriously, give Utsumi a break. I really missed Chapter 7 atmosphere. Well, let's wait and see..