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Miraluka · 2012-03-03, 01:40

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Because it sounds whiny and unprofessional.

Thats because he's mean to be like that.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-03-03, 03:05

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Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Thats because he's mean to be like that.

Well regardless of intent, it is what is it.

*shrugged*

Kanon · 2012-03-03, 05:57

I've always wondered: can the team not use their personas in the real world? I kind of expected Yu to bust the door open in the game, even more so in this ep where he was even more clearly panicked.

It would have given more credance to his explanation if he had shown his powers to his uncle too. How could he expect him to believe such a crazy story without some kind of proof? Even if we assume he couldn't summon his persona, he could still stick his hand into the TV (there even happened to be one in the room, how convenient!). For a guy with max expression and understanding, he didn't handle this very brightly.

jeroz · 2012-03-03, 06:08

to use persona in the real world, they would have to shoot themselves in the head.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-03-03, 08:32

@Kanon
I don't think there's anything that suggest they can do it in the real world.

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Originally Posted by jeroz

to use persona in the real world, they would have to shoot themselves in the head.

The perfect explanation that raises more confusion than answers

DingoEnderZOE2 · 2012-03-03, 09:08

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Originally Posted by Kanon

I've always wondered: can the team not use their personas in the real world? I kind of expected Yu to bust the door open in the game, even more so in this ep where he was even more clearly panicked.

It would have given more credance to his explanation if he had shown his powers to his uncle too. How could he expect him to believe such a crazy story without some kind of proof? Even if we assume he couldn't summon his persona, he could still stick his hand into the TV (there even happened to be one in the room, how convenient!). For a guy with max expression and understanding, he didn't handle this very brightly.

Nope they can't use their Persona in the real world at all. I think Yuu was hoping that with all the time they've spent up till that point that Dojima would at least give him the benefit of the doubt and hear him out. Plus I'm also assuming he didn't wanna expose his ability to stick his hands into TVs with Adachi watching as well.

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Originally Posted by jeroz

to use persona in the real world, they would have to shoot themselves in the head.

Uh there's no Dark Hour in Inaba, plus they don't even use Evokers to summon their Personas. You're confusing this with Persona 3 and I can't tell if you're doing that intentionally or not.

warita · 2012-03-03, 10:43

It would have indeed been better for Yu to start the explanation standing next to a TV for practical demonstration.

Or simply to start telling the story in a different way.

I personally found the explanation on how come Nanako got kidnapped since she didnt really appear on TV a bit feeble. Her name wasnt even mentioned, so how would the culprit know it??
I am also intrigued by the whole "I have to do this to save them". I wonder what the twisted explanation behind is actions is.

Ah guys, this anime is approaching the end, I am gonna miss it.

ookamigirl · 2012-03-03, 11:35

Yu getting threats...
His uncle finally founding out about going into a TV, but he just ended up sounding crazy.
Kuma got his first phone ^^
Nana being the next one put everyone on the edge.
At least they figured out who the culprit was.

warita · 2012-03-03, 12:02

Ookamigirl, can you write something more than just a summary?

Kanon · 2012-03-03, 13:13

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Originally Posted by DingoEnderZOE2

Nope they can't use their Persona in the real world at all. I think Yuu was hoping that with all the time they've spent up till that point that Dojima would at least give him the benefit of the doubt and hear him out. Plus I'm also assuming he didn't wanna expose his ability to stick his hands into TVs with Adachi watching as well.

He should known nobody, not even his parents, would ever believe such a non-nonsensical story without a shred of proof. I'm pretty sure I'd be sent to a psychiatric ward if I ever told anybody I can enter TVs

Adachi's presence didn't seem to bother him too much since he spilled the beans in front of him. Besides, he could have asked his Uncle to get him to leave the room if it was a problem, I'm sure Dojima would have gladly done so given how much he loves ordering the poor chap around. He only needed to tell him to get him a coffee or buy some cabbages or something.

ThereminVox · 2012-03-03, 13:52

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Because it sounds whiny and unprofessional.

Probably because he is whiny and unprofessional. Seriously, the most agitating part about Yu's confinement is that doofus cop is what's standing between him and rescuing Nanako.

When Adachi lets them out of that room and tells them "I didn't see nothin'", it's probably the first time in the show that he does something useful, at least on purpose.

com_gwp · 2012-03-03, 15:27

Since it's finally out in the open, I can say this now, right?

If you go through the series, Namatame has actually been making cameo appearances all over. The one off the top of my head was that one Rise episode where you can quite clearly see him outside the tofu shop amongst the crowd.

dan-heron · 2012-03-03, 15:31

yep,

Spoiler:

SilverSyko · 2012-03-03, 17:14

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Originally Posted by warita

I personally found the explanation on how come Nanako got kidnapped since she didnt really appear on TV a bit feeble. Her name wasnt even mentioned, so how would the culprit know it??

Naoto mentioned that Nanako's face and name were un-earthed by a journalist column, and they released it to the public in the newspaper, which in turn resulted in them divulging that information to everyone. Using the article that was printed, Namatame used that to discern her identity for his plan and kidnap her.

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Uh there's no Dark Hour in Inaba, plus they don't even use Evokers to summon their Personas. You're confusing this with Persona 3 and I can't tell if you're doing that intentionally or not.

It doesn't matter if they're in the Dark Hour or not. If you have an evoker you can summon your Persona anywhere you wish at any time. The P4 cast don't have evokers, so they're unable to summon Personas outside of the TV world.

P4 and P3 are in the same continuity. Don't try and make it sound like they're two entirely different things.

Dengar · 2012-03-03, 18:14

You know, we don't actually know the rules of summoning personae, simply because no one has even attempted to summon a persona while NOT in some kind of supernatural phenomenon.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-03-03, 18:18

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Originally Posted by SilverSyko

It doesn't matter if they're in the Dark Hour or not. If you have an evoker you can summon your Persona anywhere you wish at any time.

And you know this because there's an example that it's been done before...

?

jeroz · 2012-03-03, 19:36

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

The perfect explanation that raises more confusion than answers

It was done on purpose so that the answer is given both literally and figuratively.

SilverSyko · 2012-03-03, 23:30

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

And you know this because there's an example that it's been done before...

?

Beginning of P3. Yukari was trying to summon her Persona with her evoker but couldn't go through with it. You could tell from the lighting of that scene that it was during the evening, not the dark hour. Plus, it was never stated anywhere that the Dark Hour needs to be in effect for them to summon their Personas.

The reason the P4 cast can only summon their Personas in the TV world without one isn't something I can't fully disclose at the moment since it is spoilers, but I'll state it's because of an certain "attribute" the world itself possesses which the real world does not.

dan-heron · 2012-03-03, 23:58

no, she was practicing in that scene. She was trying to get in the mindset that the evokers are NOT guns despite looking like one.

Let's put it like this, she was going through the motions of committing a symbolic suicide that allows her to release her Persona.

Kimidori · 2012-03-04, 00:09

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

And you know this because there's an example that it's been done before...

?

yeah, they need evoker to summon persona in the real world, as SilverSyko mentioned ,Yukari was trying to summon her Persona with her evoker but couldn't go through with it. and

Spoiler for Persona 3:

the Persona series director confirmed that all Persona game is in the same world, and all P1, P2 character can summon their Persona in the real world without evoker because

Spoiler for Persona 1,2:

2012-03-03, 05:57	Link #2163
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 31	I've always wondered: can the team not use their personas in the real world? I kind of expected Yu to bust the door open in the game, even more so in this ep where he was even more clearly panicked. It would have given more credance to his explanation if he had shown his powers to his uncle too. How could he expect him to believe such a crazy story without some kind of proof? Even if we assume he couldn't summon his persona, he could still stick his hand into the TV (there even happened to be one in the room, how convenient!). For a guy with max expression and understanding, he didn't handle this very brightly. __________________

2012-03-03, 06:08	Link #2164
jeroz Art Block Specialist Join Date: Jun 2007	to use persona in the real world, they would have to shoot themselves in the head. __________________ [TAC]

2012-03-03, 11:35	Link #2168
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Yu getting threats... His uncle finally founding out about going into a TV, but he just ended up sounding crazy. Kuma got his first phone ^^ Nana being the next one put everyone on the edge. At least they figured out who the culprit was. __________________ My Blog --> ookami

2012-03-03, 15:31	Link #2173
dan-heron Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012	yep, Spoiler: Namatame has been around all the kidnappings, and he also showed up during Yu's quest to fill as many SL as possible in a single episode. Namatame was the one who delivered the fishing equipment, remember? They even showed his face iirc

2012-03-03, 10:43	Link #2167
warita Dai-Youkai Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Vienna	It would have indeed been better for Yu to start the explanation standing next to a TV for practical demonstration. Or simply to start telling the story in a different way. I personally found the explanation on how come Nanako got kidnapped since she didnt really appear on TV a bit feeble. Her name wasnt even mentioned, so how would the culprit know it?? I am also intrigued by the whole "I have to do this to save them". I wonder what the twisted explanation behind is actions is. Ah guys, this anime is approaching the end, I am gonna miss it.

2012-03-03, 12:02	Link #2169
warita Dai-Youkai Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Vienna	Ookamigirl, can you write something more than just a summary?

2012-03-03, 15:27	Link #2172
com_gwp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	Since it's finally out in the open, I can say this now, right? If you go through the series, Namatame has actually been making cameo appearances all over. The one off the top of my head was that one Rise episode where you can quite clearly see him outside the tofu shop amongst the crowd.

2012-03-03, 18:14	Link #2175
Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 33	You know, we don't actually know the rules of summoning personae, simply because no one has even attempted to summon a persona while NOT in some kind of supernatural phenomenon.

2012-03-03, 23:58	Link #2179
dan-heron Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012	no, she was practicing in that scene. She was trying to get in the mindset that the evokers are NOT guns despite looking like one. Let's put it like this, she was going through the motions of committing a symbolic suicide that allows her to release her Persona.