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Chaos2Frozen · 2012-07-23, 09:52

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Originally Posted by KiRa08o2

Sigh...and I guess I'm the only one of those who read it for historical value, and the only onw who reads Campione for its mythology.

You've been hanging out with the wrong crowd

Athena · 2012-07-23, 10:04

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

You've been hanging out with the wrong crowd

lol

And guys, how do you call the thing with pieces of meat stick together with a stick? Skewer or kebab?

ReaperxKingx · 2012-07-23, 10:16

I already read some of the history Nobunaga, if you know what happens to him later on. Then you know the death flag has already been rise for Nobuna. Though it is gradually decreasing as events are changing.

Athena · 2012-07-23, 10:20

Tragic ending anyone?

JohnNiles · 2012-07-23, 10:40

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Originally Posted by KiRa08o2

Sigh...and I guess I'm the only one of those who read it for historical value, and the only onw who reads Campione for its mythology.

That aside, do you guys know what does 球よけのヨシ mean? It's page 6 of volume 1, IIRC.

Don't lose heart! I like the actual history too... but coverage of that era in English-language books is rather poor, so I play games and watch shows like this instead. ^^;

BTDK · 2012-07-23, 11:05

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Originally Posted by KiRa08o2

Tragic ending anyone?

Hm, since there will be the kingdom full of woman, I would say no.

From what I know, it's like the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okehazama which cause the death of Imagawa Yoshimoto

ReaperxKingx · 2012-07-23, 11:12

One of the major theme of the Light Novel is changing the outcome of past events. So far that is true, I expect a good ending. I haven't read a Light Novel that had a horrible ending before.

willx · 2012-07-23, 12:04

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Don't lose heart! I like the actual history too... but coverage of that era in English-language books is rather poor, so I play games and watch shows like this instead. ^^;

Same, although the history in this show is.. questionable. I know this is the manga/light novel thread, but Ep 3 of the anime has jumped the historical timeline forward QUITE A BIT .. I'm very much looking forward to the pivotal battle coming up next against Imagawa!

This is what starts the legend of Nobunaga's strategic brilliance (Takeda comes way later!)

ReaperxKingx · 2012-07-23, 12:07

Episode two is also a big step in time. The original Oda Nobunaga story stated he took 2 years to stop the rebellion of his little brother. Also, he killed his little brother afterwards than let him live. The episode finished that event in a week.

willx · 2012-07-23, 12:10

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Episode two is also a big step in time. The original Oda Nobunaga story stated he took 2 years to stop the rebellion of his little brother. Also, he killed his little brother afterwards than let him live. The episode finished that event in a week.

Right, although since there wasn't any in-fighting in the Oda clan, it's a big shock that Imagawa is marching on them so quickly as they haven't gotten weaker..

Especially since it was implied that the Oda forces didn't march all the way to Mino, but only to the edge of their own province..

ReaperxKingx · 2012-07-23, 12:19

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Originally Posted by willx

Right, although since there wasn't any in-fighting in the Oda clan, it's a big shock that Imagawa is marching on them so quickly as they haven't gotten weaker..

Especially since it was implied that the Oda forces didn't march all the way to Mino, but only to the edge of their own province..

Could be the landscape that would explain that. Even though it is not far, if the landscape is a little rough going back might be a problem considering they were in the forest. While Imagawa took a route known to all people and it is safe, so that could explain how she got there so fast. This is the Owari Province

Highlighted in red, it is surrounded by water so that could mean rough terrain where there is no roads. While the Suruga Province where Imagawa Yoshimoto rules is not too far off.

willx · 2012-07-23, 12:23

@Reaper

Yeah, I'm aware of the geography, I'm still surprised on the big push though. From my memory, Imagawa took advantage of the infighting and weakened state of Owari. So in this case, the numbers might be slightly more balanced than 1,500 vs 35,000 ..

zgmf-x19a · 2012-07-23, 12:29

I guess the question (how many women fall for the MC) some of us wanted the answer for has been skipped over right? lol

ReaperxKingx · 2012-07-23, 12:29

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@Reaper

Yeah, I'm aware of the geography, I'm still surprised on the big push though. From my memory, Imagawa took advantage of the infighting and weakened state of Owari. So in this case, the numbers might be slightly more balanced than 1,500 vs 35,000 ..

That is of course the difference between the two histories. The Light Novel version and the original story speed up both events. In the original story Nobunaga and Imagawa went to battle several times. Imagawa taking most of the victories, but let down his guard allowing a counter attack and his death. In the Light Novel version it is very different, Nobuna made the right move however, if she chosen to leave some of her forces behind to guard the Owari Provence then a battle will ensure and lives of innocent will be lost. The events are changing, if Imagawa doesn't die when the take over of Nobuna begins than that is a big change in history. zgmf-x19a, from what I know most of the women in the Oda clans and rival clans fell in love with our "Monkey".

aigomorla · 2012-07-23, 13:09

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I dont know what exactly happen from the reality MC was in.

He's somehow go back to the past and realize everything completely different. He help Nobuna to accomplish her dream then change the history. But the case if he was the part of history he would be disappear ... We still see him, so the result of everything he do might be finally same as what he know in future ...

Argh, It's a goooood story, just hope there will be big surprises for all the readers.

no u cant take it like that.

The MC is pulled from a multi verse timeline.. meaning he isnt part of the current timeline.

So the MC is free to make any edits or changes without effecting his own, because the current time line isnt from his universe but an alternate.

Ie.. If nobuna was nobunaga (male) then it would be from his universe timeline, and yes all actions he made could effect his existance.. ie.. the grandfather paradox.

However since its multi verse.. meaning multipul universe, and the MC was pulled from one universe and droped into the other... he can do whatever he pleases, because he got a free edit card from God.
Just note... him being there could of been the branching point from his universe to another... each and every action he makes will cause another branch in time to change.

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Originally Posted by zgmf-x19a

I guess the question (how many women fall for the MC) some of us wanted the answer for has been skipped over right? lol

Lets recap.. Female Diamou's and Female Samurai Generals...
Ummm...

I predict.. war will not be because of land.. it will be to aquire the rights to marry the MC.
Meaning they will goto war for the MC and not the Land... :P

chad001 · 2012-07-23, 13:49

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Originally Posted by aigomorla

Lets recap.. Female Diamou's and Female Samurai Generals...
Ummm...

I predict.. war will not be because of land.. it will be to aquire the rights to marry the MC.
Meaning they will goto war for the MC and not the Land... :P

Wait, isn't this Sengoku-Era Japan? Isn't completely legal for him to have multiple wives/concubines? I mean, yeah, maybe they'll fight over who gets to be head wife, but considering:

A) Polygamy is legal
B) He DID promise Tokichiro that he would carry on his dream
C) Hideyoshi IS historically known to have many wives/concubines, (lol, including Nobunaga's daughter, Nene, Toshiie's daughter, and Nagamasa's daughter...)

I just think that they don't have to fight against each other over him...

willx · 2012-07-23, 13:53

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Originally Posted by chad001

Wait, isn't this Sengoku-Era Japan? Isn't completely legal for him to have multiple wives/concubines? i mean, yeah, maybe they'll fight over who gets to be head wife, but considering:

A) polygamy is legal
B) he DID promise Tokichiro that he would carry on his dream
C) Hideyoshi IS historically known to have many wives/concubines, (lol, including Nobunaga's daughter, Nene, Toshiie's daughter, and Nagamasa's daughter...)

Yeah, let's see how Nobuna would feel if her hubby had multiple concubines. Remember, our monkey is barely a general, let alone a Daimyo..

I'm pretty sure if you're married to a Daimyo, you're not allowed to have anyone else >_>

ReaperxKingx · 2012-07-23, 13:54

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Originally Posted by chad001

Wait, isn't this Sengoku-Era Japan? Isn't completely legal for him to have multiple wives/concubines? i mean, yeah, maybe they'll fight over who gets to be head wife, but considering:

A) polygamy is legal
B) he DID promise Tokichiro that he would carry on his dream
C) Hideyoshi IS historically known to have many wives/concubines, (lol, including Nobunaga's daughter, Nene, Toshiie's daughter, and Nagamasa's daughter...)

Right on all subjects my friend. Polygamy was legal at the time and things like political marriages were common. The question is, will the beautiful fame Daimyo let him, I mean you can't get a better wife than the one who later unites Japan right?

Athena · 2012-07-23, 13:56

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Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx

One of the major theme of the Light Novel is changing the outcome of past events. So far that is true, I expect a good ending. I haven't read a Light Novel that had a horrible ending before.

I meant more tragic, not horrible. As in bit more than bittersweet, and it could happen IMO. For example, you could see Sagara separated from Nobuna at the end and Nobuna waiting for him until the very end, or something like that.

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Originally Posted by zgmf-x19a

I guess the question (how many women fall for the MC) some of us wanted the answer for has been skipped over right? lol

Well, I guess that we should question those readers more passionately.

Sumeragi · 2012-07-23, 14:37

Well, at least one girl is aggressive towards our Monkey:

Spoiler for Spoilers, NSFW:

2012-07-23, 10:20	Link #104
Athena The Power of One Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Earth	Tragic ending anyone? __________________

2012-07-23, 12:29	Link #113
zgmf-x19a Divine Gundam Pilot Join Date: Dec 2005	I guess the question (how many women fall for the MC) some of us wanted the answer for has been skipped over right? lol __________________

2012-07-23, 14:37	Link #120
Sumeragi Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dai Korai Teikoku	Well, at least one girl is aggressive towards our Monkey: Spoiler for Spoilers, NSFW: No other than Akechi ("Juubei-chan") Mitsuhide, who in our history started the Honno-ji Rebellion. Setting up the flag (Volume 4) Aggressive kissing (Volume 7) I wouldn't be surprised if Honno-ji happens over Monkey at the end of the day. Talk about burning love

2012-07-23, 10:16	Link #103
ReaperxKingx Emperor of the Expected Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Florida	I already read some of the history Nobunaga, if you know what happens to him later on. Then you know the death flag has already been rise for Nobuna. Though it is gradually decreasing as events are changing.

2012-07-23, 11:12	Link #107
ReaperxKingx Emperor of the Expected Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Florida	One of the major theme of the Light Novel is changing the outcome of past events. So far that is true, I expect a good ending. I haven't read a Light Novel that had a horrible ending before.

2012-07-23, 12:07	Link #109
ReaperxKingx Emperor of the Expected Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Florida	Episode two is also a big step in time. The original Oda Nobunaga story stated he took 2 years to stop the rebellion of his little brother. Also, he killed his little brother afterwards than let him live. The episode finished that event in a week.

2012-07-23, 12:23	Link #112
willx Nyaaan~~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Age: 40	@Reaper Yeah, I'm aware of the geography, I'm still surprised on the big push though. From my memory, Imagawa took advantage of the infighting and weakened state of Owari. So in this case, the numbers might be slightly more balanced than 1,500 vs 35,000 ..