2012-07-30, 20:29 | Link #29881 |
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There's actually no rule that at the second twilight, two victims have to be gouged with stakes. Beatrice actually points this out in Our Confessions - it's a wildcard step where she can do anything she wants as long as it can be loosely justified as "tearing apart the two who are close."
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2012-07-30, 20:54 | Link #29882 | ||
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Furthermore, we have all overlooked something hugely important. Episode three twilight 2 may be the first time Nanjo actually ever did some correct post-morteming in his life. Though it was weird how specific Ryu was about which part of the brainstem was pierced, a fact I'm not even sure you can tell from the outside all that well. |
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2012-07-31, 06:45 | Link #29884 | |
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I too have some troubles with EP3 because of EP2's "I will keep my promise." However, I do like what people are saying about the stakes and the 2nd twilight. They were used in Yasu's stories... but they're never used like that in Tohya's. In fact, there's not a single instance in Tohya's forgeries where a stake was used to kill, like they were in Yasu's. I mean, other than Ryu giving us a clue that maybe they are just props, I wonder if it means something more...
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2012-07-31, 08:25 | Link #29885 | |
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2012-07-31, 10:47 | Link #29887 | |
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Strangely, this was never really explored, but I think it could be used to great effect in a forgery. Break up a marriage, or a relationship, or bring an intense rivalry to a head. Also, it technically says "the survivors" so it'd be neat to see if you could get people to kill each other. Anyway...
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2012-07-31, 15:27 | Link #29890 | |||
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What I'm saying is that Tohya was like "Maybe ... I can have a SECOND KILLER kill Rosaria! And it'll be a huge clue that they don't have stakes, like normal! ... huh, that means two stakes aren't being used. I wonder if I can tie that in to the magic narrative, somehow. After all, I was looking for a reason to introduce those bunny girls." and we get the Kyrolf badass hour as a result. That is exactly what I think the thought process was like. ...in fact, I've only just noticed that the only person who WAS shown to be actively murdered by a Stake in EP3 was Godha. Leftover detail, or subtle clue of his innocence?! Quote:
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I mean, I don't think Kinzo was secretly behind the plot to steal the gold. I think he PONDERED such a plot and mentioned the idea, for which he was quickly berated and thus dropped. However, the idea stuck in the minds of the others. It still fits with Bern ripping the rose colored glasses off his past moral character and innocence in the whole thing. |
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2012-07-31, 19:36 | Link #29891 |
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Crazy crack theory. Maria is the killer of the 3rd arc. Eva went out and pushed Rosa into the fence and then strangled Maria. Maria fell unconscious and woke up later. She went into the mansion and found Kyrie and Rudolf and they wanted to help her. They even let her hold the gun which she used and accidently shot by Kyrie and Rudolf. Kyrie died of blood loss and Maria staked them just because. Then Maria found George and Shannon and shot them by accident and Shannon already wrote on the door. Then Maria crys and tries to find Natsuhi and Krauss. She does and hugs them so tightly she strangles them to death after they take her to the arbor to calm down. Then Maria wandered around the mansion and found Nanjo and accidently killed him with the gun then Nanjo fell on top of her and caused her to suffocate.
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I would expect Beato to keep the 'killing' the same as in the other cases... as when at the end of the game Battler will find Shannon's body she'll have a stake near her. |
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2012-08-01, 03:51 | Link #29893 |
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I have a question. Can someone tell me where the "Tohya created EP3-6" theory comes from? I've seen other people who seem to believe that he created everything in an effort to remember what happened. I'm okay with the "wrote EP3-6" part (I can't say I like it, but I will accept that it works); it's the "trying to remember what happened" part that confuses me about it. It seems contradictory to what little we know about Tohya.
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2012-08-01, 04:27 | Link #29894 |
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The point is that we know that at one point Ikuko and Tohya started writing forgeries about the Rokkenjima incident.
We know that the forgeries describe details that only a person who was actually there could know. So it follows that Tohya provided all those inputs and that can only work if he remembered them. Why would Tohya decide to do that if he really wanted to forget everything? It's clear to me that despite his fear of becoming someone else he was still obsessed enough to want to know more about those memories he has in his mind.
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2012-08-01, 12:11 | Link #29895 | ||
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On a sidenote, I'll put this here since it's spoilerish, though maybe it's also fitting the manga section since it's about Ep 8. I think Ryukishi is keeping his word, he's giving out solutions/bits of them in Ep 8. The game Ange plays with the adults had been changed into a hide and seek instead than a quiz one. I can't read kanji to save my life but, after Ange start counting we've Eva expressing her regrets about how she raised her in her thoughts then we've Natsuhi running toward her room to discover Beato leaving red prints on her door. If you're wondering how she's doing it without dirtying her hands she's wearing gloves. ^_- Then there's Natsuhi's apology and pics seems to imply clearly she pushed the servant to her death, as she's shown pushing her from behind (the theory that she pushes her merely because she wanted to keep her far and the servant ended up crashing on the fence and falling seems to be shoot down...). We've then some explanations about what was going on in Ep 5 & 1 in regards to Natsuhi (phonecalls, how Beato in EP 1 painted the door because she saw the amulet and, likely, the other adults complicity, the final shot down between the two in Ep 1). It seems Beato had mixed feelings about hurting Natsuhi. Natsuhi seems to be rather sorry but I guess Beato forgives her as in the novel... after they hear Eva and Ange coming close so they hid in Natsuhi's wardrobe. There's a cute Natsuhi/Beato moment then Eva and Ange, to persuade Natsuhi and Beato to come out from their hiding react Hideyoshi's 'death' in EP 5 with Eva faking to kill Ange. As Natsuhi rushes out to save Ange she discovers the trick (with this I'll say it's confirmed Hideyoshi faked his death, oh Natsuhi, if only you've come out of the wardrobe...). Note: there's also a writing on the lower corner of the door Beato dirtied in red... no idea if it reveals a trick or Beato's feelings. We then move to Rudolf confessing to Kyrie that Battler is her son, which, interesting enough, is heard by mistake by Ange. I wonder if this happened in Prime as well. And that's all for Ep 8 chap 6. Definitely the manga is more satisfying in terms of handing the solutions... let's hope it'll keep with this. Last edited by jjblue1; 2012-10-16 at 16:41. |
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2012-08-01, 12:32 | Link #29897 | |
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On the other side it's possible Yasu draw them on the door merely to attract attention on that door and make things look weirder... It's also showed a letter and its content before Beato and Natsuhi's facedown so it's possible Maria was honest and Natsuhi left in EP 1 after she read a letter... and I wonder if it's possible the gun Natsuhi was using had loaded safe bullets because there's a pic of it with bullets all around superimposed on the pics of Natsuhi pointing the gun. This would make was pretty easy for Beato to win the shootdown but that's just speculation. I can't really asy unless it's translated. Maybe they're just discussing the shootdown or the trick used if there was one. Last edited by jjblue1; 2012-10-16 at 16:40. |
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2012-08-01, 13:34 | Link #29898 |
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Well considering that Ryukushi is doing all this I really hope he reveals other things. I wonder though why did Hideyoshi fake his death in Ep 5 when there were real murders going on. Did he know Natsuhi was in that closet and everyone just wanted to mess with her.
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