Good or bad ending?

[Whojive]

Originally Posted by BME

I didn't like it, he picked the wrong girl damn it! All that angst for nothing!

exactly.

sidenote: Akane got more badass as she got older

[otakujohn]

The series as a whole is pretty damn good, but I just thought the ending could have been done with a bit more detail. I'm also a bit of a Haruka fanboy, so it made me sad to see it end the way it did. I don't hate Mitsuki or any of the other characters, but I would like to share a few thoughts about Haruka.

Spoiler:

Haruka was hit by a car while she was waiting for her boyfriend when he was off playing with her best friend who secretly loved him too.

Haruka was betrayed by her best friend who ended up doing the horizontal mambo with her boyfriend.

After Haruka woke up the first time, she was made to believe that everything was all peachy (medical reason or not...it still sucked), and her boyfriend lived a weird double life for a while until her sister spilled the beans and caused Haruka to check-out again.
Even though in the story she supposedly has no memory of these events, nothing says they can’t resurface years later...more pain.

Haruka learns everything the next time she wakes up, and is quite upset as one could well imagine.

Armed with this new knowledge, Haruka dives head first into round after round of painful physical therapy (it really does suck...trust me) with the hope that if she can recover, she can get back some of the time she lost and be with her loved one.

In the end her hopes are shattered and has to give up on her lover who goes back to be with her former best friend who ORIGINALLY SET THEM UP IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

So...in the very end, Haruka ends up with nothing but a whole truckload of bad memories and one hell of a big scar to remind her of them every day. She is the prefect picture of the emotionally messed up artist/writer. Her book is just a way of dealing with her own demons, just as Tolkien wrote to deal with his own issues after WWI.

Haruka deserved a lot better than what she got.

I know that it's only a fictional story, but I love to think about where the story goes long after it's over. I would hope that Haruka finds someone with a Shuji-like level of devotion...Someone that can love her and her scars with all his heart.
Speaking of Shu-chan, I don't know if this is a common theme in anime stories or not, but I saw quite a few parallels between the basic storylines of KGNE and Saikano. Both stories had a girl and a guy in love, with another girl that loves the guy, and another guy that loves the girl that loves the guy.... It even had some of the same sleeping around stuff going on...to a point.
Saikano had a better ending tho.

[Rhia]

in the series i HATED THE ENDING tak shouldnt have got anyone of the gurls son of a b**** hes a BAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAA.. ARRGGHHH

[otakujohn]

imagine this:

A few years after the ending, Haruka writes a couple of rather dark books, and then Kurt Cobains. Wouldn't that bake their noodles?

Obituary birthday, your sent is still here in my place of recovery.

[Loki_Sama]

Originally Posted by otakujohn

imagine this:

A few years after the ending, Haruka writes a couple of rather dark books, and then Kurt Cobains. Wouldn't that bake their noodles?

Kurt Co is dead dude, leave him alone
but in Saikano, the dude that girls LOVe......only loves 1 of em.......in Kiminozo, this idiot loves both! BIG ass difference, plus they dont go of killing ppl in kiminozo

[otakujohn]

Originally Posted by Loki_Sama

Kurt Co is dead dude, leave him alone

And may he rest in peace.

Originally Posted by Loki_Sama

but in Saikano, the dude that girls LOVe......only loves 1 of em.......

Well, I think he "loved" all of them really, but wasn't intimately involved with all of them. He was really a good guy...He had more of a head on his shoulders.
That's why I thought Haruka would be lucky to find such a person.

[Loki_Sama]

Originally Posted by otakujohn

And may he rest in peace.



Well, I think he "loved" all of them really, but wasn't intimately involved with all of them. He was really a good guy...He had more of a head on his shoulders.
That's why I thought Haruka would be lucky to find such a person.

ok i will make it simple......the saikano dude, only had intentions to have a long term sentimental relationship with only 1 of the girls.....he cared for every one, ok maybe so, but not to the extend of the feelings he had for the main girl he LOVED!

Kiminozo.....well, this idiot you guys know, he was like WTF? he liked/loved both, but was too stupid, hell he hella cared for everyone , for Akane , for the nurses, for ayu mayu, even the MANAGER!!!!! LOL

[SKoRPioN9x]

Originally Posted by BME

I didn't like it, he picked the wrong girl damn it! All that angst for nothing!

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Originally Posted by Jasconius

I'm not really talking about whether Takayuki ended up with the character you liked, just whether you thought it was a good ending or not.

[Bubblemunche]

I love the ending ! Kekeke... but then again, I must confess that I'm a Mitsuki supporter But looking at things objectively, I've got a couple of reasons why it would have been a thumbs down ending if Takayuki ended up with Haruka !

1) Firstly, Bakayuki (whoever came up with this term, you're a genius ) did NOT, for the most part of Haruka's coma, showed any concern for the poor girl So what makes him think he has the right to come back to Haruka's life now that she's up and running?!?! Yah, Haruka would probably be thrilled for a while, but i think she's gonna suffer next coz she's stuck with such a loser :P

2) IMHO, all the heartaches arised becaused of Takayuki's indecisiveness. Firstly, he misled Haruka when he dated her even though he didn't have feelings for her initially. After he finally does like Haruka, he continued to be so gentle and misleading (e.g. getting that ring) to Mitsuki. SHEESE!!! To me, Takayuki finally showed some resolve as a man when he firmly decided to be with Mitsuki May they have beautiful babies !

[FreeJPA]

Well... after watching the whole thing in 2 days, and reading about 4 different 3 page threads, I'd like to say I think I'm finally over the "emotional heartbreaking tearjerking feelings" I have everytime I think about the anime.

OK, so most people don't like Mitsuki because she backstabbed / unfaithful / etc.

I like Mitsuki because she was able to cope with the different hardships that were put in her way (I'll get to Haruka in a sec).

First, when Takayuki (omg, please stop the "Tak" nickname... reminds me too much of the Americanized Initial D manga) goes into uber depression, Mitsuki was the one that came almost 24/7 to cook and make sure he ate.

Second, even as Takayuki was in his "indecisive stage" of torn feelings between Haruka and Mitsuki, she tried to make the best out of it, and put on a smile everytime they were together.

Although it seemed that Mitsuki was the strong willed one, I believe that deep down, she was infact, very weak and eventually broke under the pressure.

Now for Haruka...

Well... Having not played the game, I have trouble keeping a strong connection with the character (someone please PM me the link to the game). She was introduced and was put into the coma and even though it was only a "few years" until she woke up, I still get that "gap" with the character.

True, that Haruka woke up and yea, it does suck finding out that "Sorry, everyone's changed, too bad you can't have your BF anymore."

I also sympathize with the fact that everyone had to lie to her.

In the end though, I'm sure everyone agrees that Haruka was truly a "strong character" underneath.

So yea... I enjoyed the ending, though I wish they could have shown more of the future (if I had things my way, I'd be watching the sequel now ). I enjoyed the fact that Mitsuki finally received the devotion from Takayuki that she deserved and was kept from for 3 years.

One heck of a long first post huh :P

[Haruka 4-ever]

i'm a Haruka supporter, i sympathize Haruka ever since the end of ep2.

i agree Haruka is truly a "strong character"... Haruka really ends up with nothing is just not fair.. very sad ending.. although Haruka seems to be having a happy life in the very end.. it's still not a good ending.. although the ending makes the anime strong but i would rather have a Haruka ending and make this anime not as strong..

throughout the whole series.. i had tears flowing in my misty eyes everytime Haruka is crying.. i didn't had much feeling towards Misuki since she is not in a position where people should sympathize for her after what she had done.. i hate the betrayal... i hate traitors..

despite the fact that ending not good and not all that happy.. i would still say that this anime is my #1 favorite..

people just say the ending is good just because they think the whole anime is good.. but a good anime doesn't automatically force urself to think that the ending is good even though its not that good..

the ending wraps up good although it ended that way.. if it even wraps up a bit worse (such as Haruka ain't having a happy life everafter), i would've hated this anime..

one last thing to say to end my post up.. be strong, Haruka 4-ever..

[dreamless]

I think the ending is quite bad, and I'm not a Haruka supporter, nor am I a Mitsuki supporter

I'm an Akane supporter BTW

It's just that it's really rushed and the character development for Haruka is practically nil and suddenly she becomes a superhuman-like character...

[ati]

I read all of your opinion ,for me I hate the ending ,why both of them(Taka and Mitsuki) who 's very selfish have to be happy. I think Takayuki is the man who coward and selfish cause he has run away from problem and let Haruka sleep alone ,I don't understand why she love the guy like this ,and her friend Mitsuki have she ever know she make Haruka suffer and pain from her action .However Haruka is poor girl she have to suffer with something which she never make it ,very bad luck because she meet the man who's coward and selfish and she have bad friend who betray her too so pity. this is my opinion sorry for some massage if you don't like it

[Charas]

Originally Posted by Loki_Sama

Psst......you can always.....PM

I don't suppose you could tell me, who to PM.

[caven]

Originally Posted by ati

I read all of your opinion ,for me I hate the ending ,why both of them(Taka and Mitsuki) who 's very selfish have to be happy. I think Takayuki is the man who coward and selfish cause he has run away from problem and let Haruka sleep alone ,I don't understand why she love the guy like this ,and her friend Mitsuki have she ever know she make Haruka suffer and pain from her action .However Haruka is poor girl she have to suffer with something which she never make it ,very bad luck because she meet the man who's coward and selfish and she have bad friend who betray her too so pity. this is my opinion sorry for some massage if you don't like it

Love is a powerful thing.

[dreamless]

the worst part of the ending is that in order to kick Takayuki's butt to Mitsuki, Haruka decide to walk on her own despite she's not supposed to be able to walk yet. That part is really nonsense, especially since she doesn't get any character development in the past 12 or so episodes, and suddenly she becomes the ultra-strong superhuman with love and kindness goddess whatever thing.

[loki9x]

Originally Posted by dreamless

That part is really nonsense, especially since she doesn't get any character development in the past 12 or so episodes, and suddenly she becomes the ultra-strong superhuman with love and kindness goddess whatever thing.

To politely disagree:

There are indications from the beginning that Haruka is a forceful person. Really? you ask. Well, there's a difference between being shy or reserved, and being weak. Mitsuki is a weak person, who doesn't know what she wants, or how to be happy, or how to get what she wants, or be happy. Takayuki is vacillating: he knew what he wanted (=Haruka) before, then he wanted to be with Mitsuki, then he had a hell of a time deciding between the two.

Haruka is consistently strong-willed and decisive. Unlike everyone else, she has well-formulated plans for college and what she wants to do with her life. This is an introverted aspect. But she has a strong extroverted streak as well. Clearly, she is a kind, generous person, committed to her boyfriend. But she also understands sacrifice for the sake of friends: eg, prefering that Takayuki talk with Mitsuki than be on time for the omatsuri.

While in the hospital, because of the lack of stresses put on her, she appeared totally helpless, passive, and ethereal. But there is nothing surprising about the fact that, once she had regained her strength, and found out her real situation, she would gladly welcome back Takayuki if he wished it, but otherwise counsel him to be where his heart was, knowing that a lot of time had passed.

Takayuki had a perspective of her as someone from a dream. Haruka is very romantic and emotionally sensitive, especially as a teenager, but this is simply wearing one's heart on one's sleeve. Surrounded by unhappy people, someone who can always wear a natural smile and always be considerate of others may seem unreal, but this doesn't make her shallow or wishy-washy. Instead, she is the person most comfortable with herself. To Takayuki, Haruka doesn't seem down-to-earth, and their romance seems too good to be true. Thus both of these facts cause him to project an air of unreality onto her. But he confuses her outward personality for the character that underlies it: namely, being a very honest, sweet, innocent, kind, etc, person. It should be no surprise that she is happy at the end, having always known what her desired career was, achieving it, and being a success.

[loki9x]

On another note, what parallels did people notice between the beginning and end of the series? I realized that in both cases:

- Haruka sees that two of her friends need to spend some time together, and encourages them, at her own expense (well, losing the superficial benefit of being the one spending time with Takayuki; she surely derives a psychological benefit from being a generous person).

- Takayuki has a girlfriend, but he doesn't really interact with her. His heart and mind are wandering elsewhere. But another girl eggs him on to be a better person and better companion, and he is converted to doing so wholeheartedly.

[Haruka 4-ever]

Originally Posted by loki9x

To politely disagree:

There are indications from the beginning that Haruka is a forceful person. Really? you ask. Well, there's a difference between being shy or reserved, and being weak. Mitsuki is a weak person, who doesn't know what she wants, or how to be happy, or how to get what she wants, or be happy. Takayuki is vacillating: he knew what he wanted (=Haruka) before, then he wanted to be with Mitsuki, then he had a hell of a time deciding between the two.

Haruka is consistently strong-willed and decisive. Unlike everyone else, she has well-formulated plans for college and what she wants to do with her life. This is an introverted aspect. But she has a strong extroverted streak as well. Clearly, she is a kind, generous person, committed to her boyfriend. But she also understands sacrifice for the sake of friends: eg, prefering that Takayuki talk with Mitsuki than be on time for the omatsuri.

While in the hospital, because of the lack of stresses put on her, she appeared totally helpless, passive, and ethereal. But there is nothing surprising about the fact that, once she had regained her strength, and found out her real situation, she would gladly welcome back Takayuki if he wished it, but otherwise counsel him to be where his heart was, knowing that a lot of time had passed.

Takayuki had a perspective of her as someone from a dream. Haruka is very romantic and emotionally sensitive, especially as a teenager, but this is simply wearing one's heart on one's sleeve. Surrounded by unhappy people, someone who can always wear a natural smile and always be considerate of others may seem unreal, but this doesn't make her shallow or wishy-washy. Instead, she is the person most comfortable with herself. To Takayuki, Haruka doesn't seem down-to-earth, and their romance seems too good to be true. Thus both of these facts cause him to project an air of unreality onto her. But he confuses her outward personality for the character that underlies it: namely, being a very honest, sweet, innocent, kind, etc, person. It should be no surprise that she is happy at the end, having always known what her desired career was, achieving it, and being a success.

good descriptive comments.. Haruka is just too nice.. i got high emotional stress about how the anime ends (i don't like it all that much as i mentioned b4).. nevertheless, the departure scene between Haruka and Tak is very beautifully sad at the same time happy.. suki dayo Haruka..

[kujoe]

Originally Posted by Haruka 4-ever

nevertheless, the departure scene between Haruka and Tak is very beautifully sad at the same time happy.. suki dayo Haruka..

Personally I like the ending--well, maybe mostly the first half of it. From a critical standpoint the latter half fails to effectively conclude from Takayuki and Haruka's farewell scene. I guess it's only a personal critique of mine, but I'm sure there are also others who thought that the ending could've been edited a bit more or prolonged a bit.

After thinking about it, having the series end with Takayuki going back to Haruka is, in a sense, weaker and less of an impact. If that happened, then that farewell scene would not have been as powerful--nor even emotionally significant--because nothing really changes. Nothing truly insightful--that is grounded in the real world--would ever emerge. It would've been just purely romantic and idealistic and well, quite immature. For me, it would've been a happy and romantic ending for the sake of having one. Plus, I love that scene. Period. It may be sad, but seeing how damned beautiful that scene was--I wouldn't have it any other way. That was the moment for me in the series. Some may not agree with me, but there is beauty in moments of sadness too.

The ending with Mitsuki could also be argued as 'romantic,' but it's also more real--more real in the sense that there are such things as tragedy and pain. I believe being in a relationship with someone isn't simply having romantic feelings for one another--as Takayuki and Haruka have shown--but it's also a matter of choosing to love someone. It's something you have to work with. Moreover, there's going to be lot of shit involved, and for me this is what Takayuki and Mitsuki's relationship tried to show as well. Whereas Takayuki and Haruka's relationship in the past showed practically the opposite. I actually found the prologue boring to tell you the truth.

But I guess KGNE just went overboard with regard to the hardships and problems in Takayuki and Mitsuki's relationship. It practically went downhill to the point that there were times when I started hating particular characters myself. On the other hand, it was also a sign of how profoundly (and ambivalently) powerful the characters were.

It's quite a rare thing for me to react strongly like this. All in all, a good ending--but it could've been better.