(L+CR) Toji no Miko

[Forever]

This technique is used 3 times before. Someone use their ultimate and dies. Other user gets possessed. After many years, possessed person gets taken over.

Isnt this just like Final fantasy X?

[vietthai96]

Originally Posted by Forever

This technique is used 3 times before. Someone use their ultimate and dies. Other user gets possessed. After many years, possessed person gets taken over.

Isnt this just like Final fantasy X?

Where do you get that assumption

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Spica

She may not even meet the requirements for the dreams if they exist.

If there are such requirements, the show has to explain it to avoid the plot hole.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

If there are such requirements, the show has to explain it to avoid the plot hole.

And it might do so. Have patience.

[Forever]

Originally Posted by vietthai96

Where do you get that assumption

The only assumption is that the user of technique always get possessed and then become next big disaster.

I based it on it is constant repeated and they have a "calming" technique for it....

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Forever

I based it on it is constant repeated and they have a "calming" technique for it....

That's what Yukari's sister thought because she didn't know about the technique at all. When she found the scrolls detailing the technique, she realized it wasn't a "calming" technique. It was a suicide strike meant to force the Aradama to the other world.

The only reason they failed this time is because Minato intervened. You could say Minato fucked everything up.

[IceHism]

So is it gonna turn out that you don't need the origami family to slay the great aradama. Just Etou and Juujou

[Marcus H.]

By the way, wasn't there a "calming the spirits" ceremony that Yukari did before the start of the tournament at Episode 1? I wonder if this "calming the spirits" is the same "calming" technique that was designed against the Great Aradama. Take note that Hiyori mentioned that Yukari gained the power used against her by Kagari on Episode 8.

[Kazu-kun]

There is no calming technique. There never was.

[Marcus H.]

That would be a nice twist against Mokusa.

[vietthai96]

Again, people always think their assumption is a fact, i still waiting for more proof though. But well i agree with the part about the calming ritual is just a disguise too make thing not too creepy for "the outsider" Toji who don't know

[azarhal]

I'm still puzzled with them saying the Origami family had a way of dealing with it, but in the end it was Kagari who was actually supposed to do something about it.

Is there something lost in translation?

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by azarhal

I'm still puzzled with them saying the Origami family had a way of dealing with it, but in the end it was Kagari who was actually supposed to do something about it.

Is there something lost in translation?

It looked like the Origami family knew the technique but couldn't use it. Only someone with an extremely fast jin'i can do it. In this generation that person was Kagari. I take it Yukari realized Kagari had the necessary talent and taught her the technique herself. That's probably why only the two of them knew what they had to do to stop the aradama.

[Triple_R]

Kazu-kun is probably right, more or less, in what he wrote about Minato.

The original plan might have been executed smoothly and effectively, at the expense of Kagari's life, if Minato had not intervened. And so this major Aradama might have been dealt with once and for all, rather than taking over Yukari's body as what appears to be the case.

If all of this is true, then Hiyori's very existence is arguably due to a horrible mistake. The adult protagonists certainly aren't saying that of course, they're putting the best possible spin on things, but it's nonetheless a reasonable conclusion that could be reached. It's a cold/hard way of thinking, but it makes sense, and it would be very in-character for Hiyori herself to see things this way.

So here I see some real potential for Toji no Miko. You could have Hiyori argue precisely this point to Kanami, about why Hiyori can't just let it go and let the adults handle it. Hiyori could argue that she feels like her very existence was based on a terrible (if well-intentioned) mistake, and so she feels a burning need to make things right again. Now, the mistake (if you view it that way) was probably not Kagari's. It was probably Minato's. So Kanami could also reply that she too feels a need to make things right, in the sense of making amends for the more negative side (the very negative side) of her mother's actions on that infamous day.

The anime could make a very emotionally compelling story here for the two main characters. Maybe it won't go this way, and maybe I'll like it regardless, but I do kinda hope it goes this way, because I think it would make for a very emotionally rich and engaging story that ties Kanami and Hiyori closer together.

Edit: What I particularly like about this is that this makes things much more personal for both Kanami and Hiyori. This isn't just Hiyori responding to a letter for help, or Kanami seeing something evil/dangerous for a split-second and hence taking drastic action in the heat of the moment. This is about them accomplishing what their mother's couldn't, finishing the job. It would give the story a real edge, in my opinion.

[Applehell]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

So here I see some real potential for Toji no Miko. You could have Hiyori argue precisely this point to Kanami, about why Hiyori can't just let it go and let the adults handle it. Hiyori could argue that she feels like her very existence was based on a terrible (if well-intentioned) mistake, and so she feels a burning need to make things right again. Now, the mistake (if you view it that way) was probably not Kagari's. It was probably Minato's. So Kanami could also reply that she too feels a need to make things right, in the sense of making amends for the more negative side (the very negative side) of her mother's actions on that infamous day.

The anime could make a very emotionally compelling story here for the two main characters. Maybe it won't go this way, and maybe I'll like it regardless, but I do kinda hope it goes this way, because I think it would make for a very emotionally rich and engaging story that ties Kanami and Hiyori closer together.

I can easily see Hiyori try sacrifice herself in the sameway her mother was supposed to in order to go about this atonement. But this series is nowhere that dark to go through with it so I expect Kanami overcome situation through shounen power or perhaps some help maybe not totally soul deleted Yukairi in desperate situation.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by azarhal

I'm still puzzled with them saying the Origami family had a way of dealing with it, but in the end it was Kagari who was actually supposed to do something about it.

Is there something lost in translation?

Maybe a Toji can't go fast enough to reach the Netherworld unassisted.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Maybe a Toji can't go fast enough to reach the Netherworld unassisted.

Actually, they made it clear a normal Toji can't do it, period. Kagari was special.

The Origami family knew how to draw the aradama away, but it doesn't mean they could do it themselves.

[Marcus H.]

Another possible angle is that the okatana Kogarasumaru is related to the capability of a Toji in achieving a close-to-infinity Jin'i, and anyone who has manifested this kind of exceptional Jin'i is groomed to be the lynchpin—or rather sacrificial lamb—against Tagitsuhime. Based on the flashback, Kagari seemed ready for the role and it is possible that Hiyori might have been groomed by the Origami family if not for the blatant show of aggression. After all, despite all she has done against the family, Yukari has allowed the two "younglings" to move freely.

Well of course, Yukari might just be using the two to expose the movements of Mokusa, all while Mokusa themselves use the two girls against Yukari.

[vietthai96]

I have a feeling that Yukari is not being completely possessed by that Great Aradama, but rather her mind being influenced by that demon.

I have a theory about Toji's power, normally a person have a body and a soul, like Nasuverse, the body is the anchor to the soul. When Toji use Utsushi they are in the borderline between real world and the netherworld that why when they get slice the dmg reduce to a pain, the rest is being cast down to the netherworld. Like the anime said when they use Jin'i, they use layer with different time flow to increase the speed, the deeper they get, the faster they become. Normally the body is the anchor will pull the soul back to the body, but if they get deep enough(which reaching infinite speed) the body don't have enough power to pull the soul back anymore, resulting the user die. But in Kagari and Minato case because the former still not reach infinite while the latter at precise moment stop the former, their body still can pull their soul back, but because their soul reach too deep to the netherworld, the string connect the soul and the body become fragile and their soul wasting away, that why they can't use their Toji's power anymore, and they die pretty fast why it is not fast aging.
Minato die early, because of something i think about, it can be that Kagari use Jin'i first, trying to drag Great Aradama down to the netherworld, Minato realize something and decide to use Jin'i to intercept Kagari, because she start latter she need to use more "power" to go deeper faster, just like when you want to catch up to a vehicle start ealier than you, you need to accelerate faster to keep up. Minato case is the same, she need to accelerate faster to catch up Kagari, that why her soul is more fragile than Kagari and she die first.
Also like Nasuverse, the soul is the records of a person, that why exist a "17 years old" Minato when Kanami dream. This is my theory

[Kakurin]

Little tidbit: Taneda Risa has returned to the stage. She is the one who voiced Kagari.