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Old 2007-02-25, 16:23   Link #21
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Gregory Handle would kick all their asses.
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Old 2007-03-02, 23:15   Link #22
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are you kidding me, gregory handle is a specific pilot who couldn't hold a candle to the sheer power of the ZERO system (which is able to turn a so so pilot like qatre into a monster).
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Old 2007-03-05, 05:55   Link #23
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It isn't the most advanced but the Exam system is freaky...unlike the Zeta/Bio sensor, its operated by old types and powered by 1 dead Newtype.

Hmm...Coincidently enough, that sounds like the Zero system minus the newtype soul. Unleashes higher performance(newtype-like I guess), causes the MS to be uncontrollable and drives pilots insane.
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Old 2007-03-06, 17:29   Link #24
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yeah I guess they are similar but I don't know anything about the universal century. One would think though that zero is a little better due to the large colony destroying beam weapon.
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Old 2007-03-07, 06:07   Link #25
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they have the power to wipe out all electronics and send a whole civilization back to the stone age (which they did)
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Old 2007-03-07, 19:04   Link #26
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yeah but that's kind of .... well .... bad. because there would be no real way to rebuild a space colony after it is destroyed (and although it causes a lot of death) there is no way to recover and all traces of that colony would be demolished. so if your talking destructive power it is definitly wing zero.
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Old 2007-03-07, 19:52   Link #27
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Wing Zero pwnz all others!
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Old 2007-03-07, 22:22   Link #28
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Actually, the destructive power of the Gundam Double X is actually greater than Wing Gundam Zero with its Twin Satellite Cannon. Heck, just the normal Gundam X with 1 Satellite Cannon is just as destructive.

Technically moreso with its G-Bits which also have a Satellite Cannon.
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Old 2007-03-08, 19:36   Link #29
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Even so when you combine the destructive power and pilot enhancements it is much more deadly than anything else which has been featured in a gundam series.
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Old 2007-03-08, 19:49   Link #30
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X and DX might be a technically a fortress in itself. But do away with DOME on the moon, and they are just another Gs.
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Old 2007-03-08, 22:09   Link #31
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And beside that, a ms which could destroy a colony, and turn the pilot into the most effective killing machine possible is a much better technological development (even if it turns 99.9999999999% of pilots nuts).
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Old 2007-03-08, 22:43   Link #32
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Well, if you want things like that, then the Wing Gundam Zero Lucifer and Seraphim are much more advanced than the normal Wing Gundam Zero.
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Old 2007-03-09, 13:58   Link #33
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Dude i know nothing about Gundams...Gundam Wing was the only series i saw and i really liked it and Wing Zero was so bad ass in it.
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Old 2007-03-09, 15:42   Link #34
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the wing fanboys hmmmm...
either way whats so hipe about the Wing Gundam Zero Lucifer and Seraphim?
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Old 2007-03-09, 19:27   Link #35
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The Wing Gundam Zero Lucifer and Seraphim were attempts by the Romefeller Foundation at Mass Producing the Gundams to use against them in the manga, Tiel's Impulse. They both have a more advanced ZERO System as well (v. 2.0 for Lucifer and 2.5 for Seraphim).

The 2.0 was basically an "updated" ZERO System with greater advantages, but also greater mental instability (think what it did to Quatre and beef that up a bit). The 2.5 LACKS that drawback, but instead of "taking control of" the pilot, it could sometimes take control of the whole Mobile Suit itself.



From MAHQ:

Model number: XXXG-00W0L
Code name: Gundam Lucifer
Unit type: prototype general purpose mobile suit
Manufacturer: Romefeller Foundation (Colony X-18722 manufacturing plant)
Operator: Romefeller Foundation
First deployment: unknown
Accommodation: pilot only, in standard cockpit in torso
Dimensions: unknown
Weight: unknown
Construction: gundanium alloy
Powerplant: ultracompact fusion reactor, output unknown
Propulsion: rocket thrusters: total output unknown
Equipment and design features: sensors, range unknown; Zero System Version 2.0, combat computer/pilot interface in cockpit
Fixed armaments: none

Finding their power waning, the Romefeller Foundation struggled to regain the hold they had once had over the world. In an attempt to rebuild its military power following Queen Relena Peacecraft's disarmament, the Foundation secretly began building more mobile suits, this time in secret. Taking inspiration from their greatest foes, they constructed a series of mass production model Gundams, each mimicking the design and function of one of the five rebel machines. Before completion of the production model equivalent of the XXXG-00W0 Wing Gundam Zero, however, a single test unit was constructed. Dubbed XXXG-00W0L Gundam Lucifer, the machine's entire purpose was to test out an improved version of the Zero System. This modified system provided better and more detailed information than the systems in either Wing Zero or its rival, the OZ-13MS Gundam Epyon. However, these improvements came with a price; just as the benefits were strengthened, so were the flaws. While the original Zero System merely urged its pilot to follow certain courses of action, Version 2.0 actually forced them to follow these paths. This is what lead test pilot Karl Noembreux to run away, compelled to bring peace by eliminating war-like parties. His disappearance is what set his young sister Tiel to impulsively chase him, setting the events of January AC 196 into motion.



Model number: XXXG-00W0S
Code name: Wing Gundam Seraphim
Unit type: mass production general purpose mobile suit
Manufacturer: Romefeller Foundation (Colony X-18722 manufacturing plant)
Operator: civilians
First deployment: January AC 196
Accommodation: pilot only, in standard cockpit in torso
Dimensions: unknown
Weight: unknown
Construction: gundanium alloy
Powerplant: ultracompact fusion reactor, output unknown
Propulsion: rocket thrusters: total output unknown
Equipment and design features: sensors, range unknown; Zero System Version 2.5, combat computer/pilot interface in cockpit
Fixed armaments: 2 x beam saber, stored in recharge racks in wing binders, hand-carried in use
Optional hand armaments: buster rifle

During the conflict that would become known as the Eve Wars, nothing was more feared than the Gundams. The Romefeller Foundation, in its pursuit of new weapons that would allow them to dominate the war and the Earth, turned to their arch-enemies for inspiration. In secret, they constructed new mass production Gundams, each based specifically on one of the five rebel Gundams. The XXXG-00W0S Wing Gundam Seraphim, based off of the XXXG-00W0 Wing Gundam Zero, was intended to be a general purpose machine. Other than cosmetic changes, the biggest difference between Seraphim and Zero was that the shield-like main wings were moved from the back to the skirt armor, allowing Seraphim to fly in the atmosphere. Its weapons loadout was basic but functional, with two beam sabers and a buster rifle capable of high output. The most important feature, however, was an improved version of the Zero System. Codenamed Zero 2.5, this system provided much better technical data and information, but had the drawback of taking control of the mobile suit sometimes when activated. It should be noted, however, that Zero 2.5 lacked the mental effects which its predecessors possessed.

At least six Wing Seraphim units were produced at Romefeller's secret plant on colony X-18722, but with the end of the Eve Wars shortly thereafter, they never saw action. The following January, a group of civilians broke into the plant and stole several Gundams. Tiel Noembreux, the leader of the expedition, stole a Wing Seraphim for herself, hoping to use Zero 2.5 to locate her missing brother. Because information on this incident was not well-reported, the fate of the Seraphims, including Tiel's stolen unit, is unknown.
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Old 2007-03-09, 20:02   Link #36
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I'm talking about the original wing zero, the others just don't seem to be the same.
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Old 2007-03-09, 20:03   Link #37
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I know...I was posting it for the person asking about the hype about them above me...
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Old 2007-03-09, 20:07   Link #38
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even if it is a hyped up unit there's some good reason for it. but it is more the pilot than the machine.
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Old 2007-03-09, 20:08   Link #39
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Still, the Lucifer and the Seraphim do outdo the normal Wing Gundam Zero in some ways.
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Old 2007-03-09, 20:31   Link #40
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I think the only one is that they don't drive your average pilot nuts (I don't really consider hiiro average).
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