2010-11-07, 18:16 | Link #401 | |
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It looks like they're treating her better, indeed, but they treated her bad at times the first 3 or so episodes. And I'm not making a huge deal out of this. It was just something I noticed.
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2010-11-07, 19:51 | Link #402 | |
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Is moot point now since she is in their home and has access to food. Things have overall been going better though they do still pick on her at times. Might have been an easier way than drop-kicking Ika unconscious . But she was going pretty far overboard.
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2010-11-07, 20:03 | Link #403 |
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About the fridge, from what Ika said, its not the first time it happened. Given her lack of self control (mentioned in another episode), its likely if they did not lock the fridge she would have cleaned it out and ended up like mni-ika, with indigestion.
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2010-11-07, 22:49 | Link #404 | |
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And she was so lonely and bored that she have to play with soy source bottles.... At least she was treated better now. Hope she have a bed to sleep and good food at least. She seems to love EIko and want to earn her recognition through. I start liking Eiko after that dream sequence and how it's possible for Eiko to treat Ika nicely
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2010-11-07, 23:26 | Link #405 |
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risingstar3110,i've seen your earlier posts on the matter and there's something the intrigues me.
How can you you have a problem with the humor in ika musume when you have angel beats as your sig?That show has people dying in great pain as a joke quite regularly,and I know they come back to life but they still suffer much more than anything ika musume has had to deal with,and they don't always die willingly. (that might come off a bit harsh,there's no hard feelings,just curiosity)
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2010-11-08, 00:21 | Link #406 | |
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2010-11-08, 02:17 | Link #408 | |
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Similarly I do not complaint about how Ika tentacles be cut off and how it could be cruel and hurt to do so. Simply because while i know i should be, i can't sympathize to that, and it does not ruin the comedic side as the result back to the topic, the problem is not whether Ika has food to eat or not. But do the sisters care enough to wonder if she will be hungry or lonely alone at night. That's what bugged me
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2010-11-08, 02:57 | Link #409 |
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I find it disturbing that the 'humans' are less human in comparison to some sealife. Ika-chan is being a honest girl, and helps others and is generally nice and innocent, yet the humans exploit her, abuse her, and mistreat her.
I can't help but feel as if the series isn't some giant social commentary on what it really means to be human. |
2010-11-08, 03:39 | Link #410 |
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"Ika-chan" also wants to honestly conquer the surface world and nicely enslave mankind. She has tried to innocently kill everyone in the Lemon. She's just too dim-witted to accomplish any of these objectives.
In spite of all this, the restaurant girls feed her, house her, and take care of her. They even threw her a birthday party. They're not afraid of her because she's so stupid you could catch her on a fishing line with a bit of shrimp as bait. Everybody works for their keep at the Lemon. And what good is having a pet if you can't play with it a little without the SPCA coming after you? She is not human.
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2010-11-08, 04:00 | Link #411 | |
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She also can live fine by herself (don't need anyone to feed or house her), and was only stuck there (up to this point) because she have to work to pay for the damage and do her part as sea protector. And while the thought of Ika becomes Eiko's pet is quite tempting (in a perverted way), i refuse to see her anything lower than human species!!
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2010-11-08, 04:14 | Link #413 | |
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If those are traits that 'normal' humans beings are supposed have, then I would rather be a squid. |
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2010-11-08, 04:33 | Link #414 |
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Well maybe you'd better go with the squid thing then, because humans have certainly done all those things to me and everyone I know (except for the ink milking, and I'm sure they would do that if they could). If you were a squid they would just try to eat you.
As discussed, it is a comedy that walks a fine line and has brought out emotions that have bothered some viewers.
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2010-11-08, 05:07 | Link #415 | |
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And social services would take her away and lock her up in an orphanage/place her in a foster home or call the FBI, claiming she's an alien. And if the recent episode is anything to go by, that last would probably not end well for Ika.
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2010-11-08, 05:26 | Link #416 |
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I just want to remind that there 's probably no squid girl who was abused in the making of this anime. So it's all about how we see the issues and our stance of what's justified (or not).
And unless we drop further debate now, i would like to see whether you all think of Ika-chan as a human being or species in the same level to human, and therefore should receive the same rights/ treatment as human? I for one of course do think she is
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2010-11-08, 06:08 | Link #417 |
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The beginning of an invasion de geso!
http://d.imagehost.org/0458/ika.jpg http://www.group-finity.com/Shimeji/...2_Ultimate.zip http://a-draw.com/up/download/1289138629.zip password: ika replace img folder from the second link run Shimeji.exe ------------------------------- the taskbar option (right click the icon in the tray.) first option adds another Ika. second option makes them all go to your mouse. third option makes all but one Ika disappear. fourth option returns your web browser if the Ikas steal it. last option closes the program. |
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She's being fed, she has shelter (especially now that it seems as if Eiko lets her stay at her home) and they're not treating her as some sort of pet. Plus, most people talk to her like they would to any human being. For any abuse she's going through, she has herself to blame. Starving overnight? Don't go raiding the ridge for a midnight snack then. Find your work to be labor-intensive? Don't go destroying other people's property then. I know she feels that same thing regarding humans and the sea, but until she becomes a real threat to humankind, they will only see her as a strange, but cute girl with special powers and treat her as such. And as for the psychological torture, she'd do the same if she had the power to do that (and in Nagisa's eyes, she already does). Edit: Of course, none of this all matters, because this is anime and not the real world.
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2010-11-08, 07:31 | Link #419 | |
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The problem is if we think her as human, and considering her mental age, I don't think it's right to leave her facing the full consequence of her actions. You may force an orphan kid to work for the damage which she caused, but you can't just let her working for you without a guardian. If Eikou decide to be one, then she must have the responsibility to take care of her and at least satisfy her request for safety, a home or essential needs Ika is pretty much just like a foreign kid who is not used to the responsibility of Japanese society. And i bet we all think it's morally wrong if a foreign kid is reported to left staying back and guarding the beach house at night, and forbidden (threaten with violence in fact) from food source, while have to work for an unknown amount of time without any actual formal contracts or minimum wages. It's all bureaucratic, but it's there for a reason. And even without them, considering the treatment Ika receiving (during 1st few episodes) to Kana in Kanamemo. They are quite a degree of difference. To a more serious tone, this kind of mistreatment is actually normal around the world, and in fact worse in many places by many times. But i want us to morally acknowledge that it should not be left to be so. And i heard that Eikou is actually nicer to Ika in the manga, so i don't think she should find any places any time soon
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2010-11-08, 09:19 | Link #420 | |
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The idealistic part of Japanese culture includes some level of respect to be given not only humans but other sentient things (or things-that-move). Its also idealistic that if someone breaks something, they are honor-bound to find some way to compensate for it. That's about as deep as the series gets -- no more deep than ALF or My Favorite Martian.
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