(L+CR) Darling in the Franxx

[Botan_TM]

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

Remember VIRM where "energy" they don't have a physical body then is really nearly impossible for them create franxx or klaxsaurs.

But they have whole physical space fleet and bunch of violet robots/something to drop on battlefield? Also, couldn't they use mind controlled robots/primitive species to do physical things and research for them? Like hmmm Dr Frankxx, but on bigger scale?

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Botan_TM

But they have whole physical space fleet and bunch of violet robots/something to drop on battlefield? Also, couldn't they use mind controlled robots/primitive species to do physical things and research for them? Like hmmm Dr Frankxx, but on bigger scale?

remember they loose the first battle and had to flee, this means which they don't had anyway to get they hands in klaxs tech or earth tech to learn anything, then come and start to "learn human tech" but they still don't have acess to klaxs tech until later game when they luckly found a dead klaxx body, then that was they chance to start to learn about it and the best way to learn is using humans which already are from the planet and since the professor franxx already showed being competent all they need now is "have a copy of his work" to make they own tech, but the problem is which they still need klaxx and human likes living beings which is they problem.

the virm don't have any "organic living" they are using robots, if they want create they own franxx they first need to develop organic lifes and ones compatible with the earthlings.

That is the problem is only now which they can do all that, because was only after frankx develop te tech and they find the corpse which they can have a start point.

They don't had a start point before.

Again having supperior tech not aways means which they have knowledge of others tech it means different tech and they also themselfs need to learn the "new tech" just look how much take for them to learn about human tech which was inferior to klaxs

[jal90]

Originally Posted by KPSJ

Franxx is not a trainwreck IMO, it just will never live up to the hype it was given but we also have 3 more episodes and the last 3 can maybe make me consider it a trainwreck, now a trainwreck is "Virgin souls"

I mean, maybe not. It's just a label for a show that IMO does many things wrong but has still a great entertainment value.

It's not like I'm driven by hype. I mean, maybe at the time before starting its run since this was a must due to the studios it had behind, but after how erratic it was in the beginning I decided to just go with the flow. The main problem I'm finding with the show is how little weight its narrative elements have. The huge set of reveals of the latest episodes may have their inconsistencies here and there and there are perhaps more than a few loose ties, I won't get into that since other people are discussing it here, but ultimately the issue I find is that they don't have a structure behind. We are getting to know stuff about a world the series hasn't made much of an effort to make us care for, or has done in a very irregular and erratic way. I can forgive inconsistencies pretty easily but lack of a proper emotional attachment is something more serious.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

The more later night the worst become my thoughts and worsse become my english but here again:

I had already seen these videos before and both arguments are weak and I had already discussed with them about their arguments and they are really weak, especially the second that had arguments so weak that made a video to try to defend themselves because they had already been refuted.

I have two questions regarding that:

1. Can you show us the so called your discussion with the videomakers to know that you speak the truth? Especially for people in this thread.

2. Given that you can provide the first point above, are you sure that they don't stop responding to you due to your broken English? I mean, people do get tired of bad things, you know. They also have life outside of having arguments on YT comment section on and on. That's probably the bigger factor of them not responding to you anymore instead of losing to your logic. Just sayin'.

[kampfer91]

Originally Posted by Solace

A counter to that video:
TLDR

The Youtuber i showed earlier also rant about ep 20 at first but he decided to switch the POV and see that it does make sense .

Most Youtuber rants projected theirs own POV as if they are in the show and demanded more information to be hand fed to them . However there are many people who agree that episode does make sense in some ways .

[Blueknight78]

hmm, so far the only thing i would like to discorver what happened, was hiro first girl partner, while we are almost sure she is dead, they really don't give any real confirmation about her status so far, that make me a lot curious.

[Solace]

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

The more later night the worst become my thoughts and worsse become my english but here again:

I had already seen these videos before and both arguments are weak and I had already discussed with them about their arguments and they are really weak, especially the second that had arguments so weak that made a video to try to defend themselves because they had already been refuted.

Not taking the bait. You see what you want to see. There's no discussion to be had because you're not interested in discussing things like this.

I've been down this road before, thinking there was interest in looking deeper into the story and the writing and such, but at the end of the day I realized (after much frustration) that most people don't give a shit because they're just in it for their dose of waifus, fanservice, and shipping.

And of course the memes, can't forget those. Huzzah modern anime fandom.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Solace

Not taking the bait. You see what you want to see. There's no discussion to be had because you're not interested in discussing things like this.

I've been down this road before, thinking there was interest in looking deeper into the story and the writing and such, but at the end of the day I realized (after much frustration) that most people don't give a shit because they're just in it for their dose of waifus, fanservice, and shipping.

And of course the memes, can't forget those. Huzzah modern anime fandom.

if i was really not interested i was not talking with you and really srry but i'm not a "new whatever you want to call" peoples watching animes, i'm from "very old days of animes, like zillion and sailor moon, Magic Knight Rayearth, i'm watching animes and tokusatus since my 10 to 12 or 14 years (88 to 90 or 92), dont really recall.

if i'm was like that watching "for fanservice or the lulz only i could be watching every anime but no, i have my own standarts and bar and "how i see the plot.

let's just disagree about the things is much more simple and pratical, you have your own way to "watch and evaluating animes/mangas/novel them i have mine, like aways is a matter of opnion and respect each other.

[RDNexus]

I also tend to enjoy a story for it's plot, setting and worldbuilding, lore, potential message and characters.
Fanservice can be a guilty pleasure (extra), shipping may end up in a corner of my mind (when I truly care about the characters) and waifus be damned

[Botan_TM]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I mean, people do get tired of bad things, you know. They also have life outside of having arguments on YT comment section on and on. That's probably the bigger factor of them not responding to you anymore instead of losing to your logic. Just sayin'.

I think you may onto something, instead simply answer I got a few made up theories which do not hold ground anyway, that's quite boring.

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

remember they loose the first battle and had to flee, this means which they don't had anyway to get they hands in klaxs tech or earth tech to learn anything, then come and start to "learn human tech" but they still don't have acess to klaxs tech until later game when they luckly found a dead klaxx body,

Indeed, during a war, which took centuries, VIRM did not get their hand on single death klaxx.
Also I can't imagine, how space civilisation based on assimilating whatever they meet, isn't doing well in infiltrating and reverse engineering any technology they face. Don't even try "no physical body", when we saw in anime VIRM can have a physical body cover (council members). Also, do not write scenario for creators.

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

the virm don't have any "organic living" they are using robots, if they want create they own franxx they first need to develop organic lifes and ones compatible with the earthlings.

If they can make robots, then they should be able to make cyborgs. To be honest, at this point I'm not sure what is needed to piloting Franxx, genitals? Just gender based on feelings? Libido? Or maybe what just is needed to keep story progressing. Also, how they wanted to keep Star Entity under control for millions of years, if they need a human boy to ride it?

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

That is the problem is only now which they can do all that, because was only after frankx develop te tech and they find the corpse which they can have a start point.

They don't had a start point before.

I can discuss about interpreting facts from show, not about those made up by you.

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

Again having supperior tech not aways means which they have knowledge of others tech it means different tech and they also themselfs need to learn the "new tech" just look how much take for them to learn about human tech which was inferior to klaxs

So VIRM are simply dumb evil beings with inflated ego. Especially that we talk here about specialised, self-aware, thinking assimilators. Heh, they could at least play this that way:

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[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Botan_TM

Indeed, during a war, which took centuries, VIRM did not get their hand on single death klaxx.
Also I can't imagine, how space civilisation based on assimilating whatever they meet, isn't doing well in infiltrating and reverse engineering any technology they face. Don't even try "no physical body", when we saw in anime VIRM can have a physical body cover (council members). Also, do not write scenario for creators.

They don't automatically asimilate as soons they "meet" do not distort facts just to try to create false info.

they original plan not was "infiltrate" to reverse engineer it was infiltrate to destroy the klax, what they almost sucessed, again do not distort facts.
you can show me a single scene where the VIRM took any body?? or something like that, VIRMs don't like bodys forget????, they only assimilate the souls and they don't have a real physicial body, they create fake bodys to be they hosts as was showed, they really don't have a physical body as we saw any physical form of VIRM will be like a energy using a artificial body to do things which need it.

If they can make robots, then they should be able to make cyborgs. To be honest, at this point I'm not sure what is needed to piloting Franxx, genitals? Just gender based on feelings? Libido? Or maybe what just is needed to keep story progressing. Also, how they wanted to keep Star Entity under control for millions of years, if they need a human boy to ride it?

that is the problem go back watch, the anime it was explained which one of the reasons to have genitals is the libido which is used as energy to the franxx, again the problem is aways the same "peoples complain" about things which where explainned but or "they forgot" or prefer to ignore".

I can discuss about interpreting facts from show, not about those made up by you.

is not about interpret is about "what was showed in the anime and what not was showed and that is the point if you can point in anime your argument then ok will be interpretation if not is just you being the one creating things where not are.

All my points where based on what anime showed us it's not just about making anything.

flasbah say "VIRM" loose, they fleet back home, create a new plan using humans to fight against klaxx, humans found a dead body and from that dead body produced the franxx, the human which did it was doctor franx.

You are trying to use "distorted facts to try to make points.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Deim |Envy| Astaroth

I think what you meant was the showrunners decided to do something extreme to pique viewers’ so that they would comeback for the next episode ?

....No, that's not what I meant at all.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by Deim |Envy| Astaroth

Imagine Empire Strikes Back but instead of “No, I am your Father” it’s “Im an alien entity from outside of the galaxy who is manipulating both the Rebel and The Empire for my own gain hahaha” without anyhing or clue to the what this entity is before the big reveal

So, Supreme Leader Snoke ? For all we know...

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Deim |Envy| Astaroth

Imagine Empire Strikes Back but instead of “No, I am your Father” it’s “Im an alien entity from outside of the galaxy who is manipulating both the Rebel and The Empire for my own gain hahaha” without anyhing or clue to the what this entity is before the big reveal

That's really not how I see it. "Papa" and those other guys have already been hinted at being different from the rest of the council, and knowing things about the klaxosaurs no human could possibly know. It still fits. I mean if that's how you choose to see it I won't stop you, but I won't go along with it.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

So, Supreme Leader Snoke ? For all we know...

well snoke not was plaing both sides" in the new star wars he was only empire, palpatine was the one "playing in both sides just laughting at both and wait for one to fail to him achieve his wins, which honestly he was really one of the most smart villians in the history to come with a so perfect plan" where don't matter the side gonna win, because he will be the one winning in the end.

[Botan_TM]

Now I'm sure why people find discussing with you.. not gratifying. So only two responses and I am out.

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

they only assimilate the souls and they don't have a real physicial body, they create fake bodys to be they hosts as was showed, they really don't have a physical body as we saw any physical form of VIRM will be like a energy using a artificial body to do things which need it.

So what is is difference between "real body" and "fake body", both can be used to operate computers/scientific machines/conduct anal probing whatever, and you said "VIRM can't research because they do not have physical bodies", which simply do not stand against facts...

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

flasbah say "VIRM" loose, they fleet back home, create a new plan using humans to fight against klaxx, humans found a dead body and from that dead body produced the franxx, the human which did it was doctor franx.

This war take centuries and was a total one, and VIRM forces were reconnaissance or vanguard forces only. Humans did not "found" death body, they killed it with nukes. Talk about twisting facts...

Nope, VIRM wanted to grab Klaxx Wunderwaffe, that's the reason VIRM spend so long trying to cultivate obedient clone. If not, then why not simply ascent humans and left/blow up planet... wait, they wanted magma energy maybe? But for what then? Apparently they had no real idea how to make humans immortal or make weaponry with it until Dr Frankxx helped them. The more you think about it, whole plot here starts to falling apart.

Anyway try pick up fights you can win, nobody, including me, expected FrankXX to be hard science-fiction, but by trying to prove it is logical from scientific point of view and have compelling world-building is simply potentially exposing more plot holes...

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Botan_TM

Now I'm sure why people find discussing with you.. not gratifying. So only two responses and I am out.



So what is is difference between "real body" and "fake body", both can be used to operate computers/scientific machines/conduct anal probing whatever, and you said "VIRM can't research because they do not have physical bodies", which simply do not stand against facts...

ok by physical i wanted to means they could not pilot franxx because they don't have "biologic bodyes, this means which they just can't use klaxx tech since they where designed for that end of history.

This war take centuries and was a total one, and VIRM forces were reconnaissance or vanguard forces only. Humans did not "found" death body, they killed it with nukes. Talk about twisting facts...

Nope, VIRM wanted to grab Klaxx Wunderwaffe, that's the reason VIRM spend so long trying to cultivate obedient clone. If not, then why not simply ascent humans and left/blow up planet... wait, they wanted magma energy maybe? But for what then? Apparently they had no real idea how to make humans immortal or make weaponry with it until Dr Frankxx helped them. The more you think about it, whole plot here starts to falling apart.

Anyway try pick up fights you can win, nobody, including me, expected FrankXX to be hard science-fiction, but by trying to prove it is logical from scientific point of view and have compelling world-building is simply potentially exposing more plot holes...

go watch again the episode, the ones which they "blow up" with a nuclear bomb and the ones which they "found where different ones", not the same, they told it, the one blowed was in australian and the ones which they found was in alaska.

They wanted to absorb all life in the earth and get they handles in the "klaxs" big weapon but if after the second attempt it proof "fail" they where whilling to accept it as a lost case and just blow up the planet", they don't want to keep "trying forever and fail" that is why they had the "plan b" in case of they second attempt fail they will blow up the planet and take what they could which was the majority of human life and the spear they stopped to care about the others things as they get tired of playing with earth this is why they are comming now with full force, they don't want anymore just "absorb all life it proven impossible for them, due to now earth have a strong weapon on they hands (strelizia apath).

AS i'm saying you really sure "not watched all episodes" or not was paying attention in the anime or for the sake of "crap troll hate to say all that things.

here the image if you are too lazy or to confident in your memory or just being stubborn to watch again:

Spoiler:

they have lucky to found a remain preserved from the previous war in alaska that was they start point.
this is why is hard to take you serious and your arguments when it's looks like you really not paying attention and just want excuses to rant.

Now with all the years of study thanks to professor, it's possible for VIRM find a way to make they own or find a way to use the spear, but they never had acess to it before that was one of the reasons they needed the humans.
ps: before you can have a crazy idea of come and say they are the same monster

Spoiler:

unless my english and geography is so bad to the point of "autralian and alaska being in the same continent them you really neeed to pay attention

[Botan_TM]

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

go watch again the episode, the ones which they "blow up" with a nuclear bomb and the ones which they "found where different ones", not the same, they told it, the one blowed was in australia and the ones which they found was in alaska.

You got that one right, still it is not important detail.

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

AS i'm saying you really sure "not watched all episodes" or not was paying attention in the anime or for the sake of "crap troll hate to say all that things.
[...]
this is why is hard to take you serious and your arguments when it's looks like you really not paying attention and just want excuses to rant.

Nice, name calling now. I exclusively explained to you that I did not expected it to be hard science-fiction kind of anime, I have never criticized "teen drama" part here, a main theme of this show, but hey, you clearly know better how and for what I watch anime, because you caught me on making mistake on some small unimportant details. So you won, you read my mind, I'm just a nitpicking hater, so I'm going away in shame, bye.

PS. Also, oh boy, you have no idea how rant looks like

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Botan_TM

You got that one right, still it is not important detail.



Nice, name calling now. I exclusively explained to you that I did not expected it to be hard science-fiction kind of anime, I have never criticized "teen drama" part here, a main theme of this show, but hey, you clearly know better how and for what I watch anime, because you caught me on making mistake on some small unimportant details. So you won, you read my mind, I'm just a nitpicking hater, so I'm going away in shame, bye.

PS. Also, oh boy, you have no idea how rant looks like

again it's only show how much you really don't want to accept facts, saying "it's not important", the most important fact, because was thanks to that which they could create the franxx if they never had found it, them VIRM could had already give up conquest and just blow up the planet or started a new second war where mankind could be the first race to be wipe without any means of defense.

and i never told which it is "hard sci-fi i'm just point what we know in sci-fi which is really "not so limited, having "advanced tech" not aways means "be able to know every tech or easy reproduce again, diferents races, different world, cultures and knowledge, you can have a high advanced alien race but using like "crystals" or let's say "rocks or bones or even crap as tech and still miles ahead of us, this just means which we have different tech which sometimes can not be "simple as you want" to be reproduced i'm pretty sure if a alien come to earth and you give him a smarthphone without "say anything" to them, they could even ended eating it, if they "don't know" what it is.

it's just about pay attention before "rant" or complain, i'm not saying which you can't have valid complains but at last remeber to check "the source to be sure of what you are talking about", specially about "anime" and infodumb, is pretty eash to "ignore details" when you are angry.

Again i'm never say which this is the best ever sci-fi anime or anything i'm just point what the anime showed to us while some are "interpretactive others where pretty direct, we pretty much know what happened in the past and in present toward klaxs and VIRM

Again VIRM is a space alien race without a "physical body" (maybe a mask face as physical) which lives to "absorb others life forms, because they believe which they ae the "ultimate life form and the only one to live in the universe and any "other form of life must be assimiated to them, basically as the APE and VIRM names says they are space ghost vampries.

klaxs where the first sapien civilization in earth, which was attacked by VIRM and due to some sacrifices where able to win over VIRM and send them back to they planet, but VIRM still wanted conquest the planet them tried a different aproach which was using mankind as a bridge to conquest the world but to do that without risk call attention of klaxs they come as "friend human scientists" using "advanced tech" to lure mankind in become "lazy" and brainwashed to see them as "saviors/gods, it's lead VIRM to conquest the surfice lead then to only need to beat the klaxs but they still don't have the weapons to do that is when professor come in play and thanks to lucky was able to create the weapons to fight back klaxs, them that was VIRM last chance to conquest the world or just "blow up it".

it's really nothign top note sci-fi neither neither plot it's just a narrative, some peoples will dislike it and others will like it, it's simple like that.

[CrowKenobi]

Going forward, let's stop the "serious" bickering about this and generously apply the MST3K Mantra (with a sledgehammer!).