Knights of Sidonia: Battle for Planet Nine (Season 2)

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Yes, we do. Mentioned in season 1. Izana is clone, but modified to be both genders.

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The pilots and crew knew, as seen in season 1 during the Ochiai incident flashback.

I don't remember either of those bits. Can you be more precise?

I rewatched the Ochiai flashback in ep8, and they do say "Council" in hearing of the crew, but they don't mention immortality. At least in the translation I have.

[Incest Emblem]

Do they ever tell us how old Izana is? i.e. Can we, in fact, say that Izana should suspect a large age gap between Yure and herself?

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I don't remember either of those bits. Can you be more precise?

I rewatched the Ochiai flashback in ep8, and they do say "Council" in hearing of the crew, but they don't mention immortality. At least in the translation I have.

If I remember correctly, the council that you are referring to was the Immortal Council, which had around 30 members at that time. Essentially, everyone in the council is probably immortal. It is just not the ruling council that we saw got shot to death in season 2, but it is people who are immortal, like Yure, who was added to that. Well, at least that is how I interpreted it.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

If I remember correctly, the council that you are referring to was the Immortal Council, which had around 30 members at that time. Essentially, everyone in the council is probably immortal. It is just not the ruling council that we saw got shot to death in season 2, but it is people who are immortal, like Yure, who was added to that. Well, at least that is how I interpreted it.

Yeah, but there's a difference between talking about a council, and letting everyone know the ones in it are immortal.

And when was it ever mentioned Izana's a clone?

[Dragonria]

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BLAME! in episode 8 will be only for 30 second long :'( (and 60 to 90 seconde long in the BD)

Preview:

[bigdeath]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I don't remember either of those bits. Can you be more precise?

I rewatched the Ochiai flashback in ep8, and they do say "Council" in hearing of the crew, but they don't mention immortality. At least in the translation I have.

I don't think we know Izana is a clone, but its seems very likely that she is a clone. After all, Izana's grandmother is Yure Shinatose, the woman that created the clone program. Do we really believe that she relatively recently had a duaghter that then had Izana. In fact, we never even once hear mention of Izana's mother or father or any other family except "Granny". It seems likely to me Yure made herself a clone daughter but since she has to hide her immortality she can't directly claim Izana as her own daughter. Remember, Izana has no idea who her grandmother really is.

[Alhazred]

Things we have learned from this episode of Sidonia:

Spoiler for Ep. 7:

1. Regardless of what she had before Izana is definitely a girl now.
2. Izana can directly hack stuff using her prosthetic arm, and was using this to hide this development from Nagate.
3. Samari now has some competition.
4. Yuhata has some 'prosthetics' of her own, of the cosmetic variety. for 'workplace safety reasons,' per Nihei.
5. The colonists to the Lem system actually survived the trip in, so their ship must have gotten hijacked on the trip back, when it was turned into a giant Sidonia-killing Hyggs canon.
6. Unfortunately, then their luck ran out.
7. Kobayashi really does seem to be power-tripping.

[Top Sergeant]

Nagate really, really needs to stop passing out so often

Spoiler:

But if he hadn't passed out our Boy Scout would probably have turned Sumari down, and she would have felt even worse than she did.

C'mon Izana, tell him how you feel. Yuhata's not happy but I think she realizes that she's a longshot.

The Captain certainly wants to wipe out the Guana, and I commend that. However she can't let that passion devour her; I'm pulling for her to step back from that abyss.

Another superb episode. Best anime this season.

[AvianWing]

I don't actually dislike the Captain's decision to continue the testing of the mass destruction weapon. We saw how enormous the gauna cluster is, and a weapon like that would be invaluable to its destruction. We've also seen technology with parts gauna (Tsugumi) succeed... for now. We've also just seen a group oblivious to the gauna threat get wiped out.

I mean, I understand that weapons of mass destruction will always get a bad rap in movies and TV shows. But is it not a viable alternative to sortie out pilots and to have a fraction of the sidonia population die when sidonia is hit with something?

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Top Sergeant

Nagate really, really needs to stop passing out so often

Bah. If he started... "photosynthesizing", it'd take time away from his favorite activity: eating.

[frubam]

I don't know if I'm actually pleased that Izana finally changed to a girl(we all knew it was coming anyway); I rather liked their friendship w/o indication of romance for the most part. I'd hate for that to be ruined with frivolous(but entertaining) romance. Hopefully after this ep, things will go back to normal between those two.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Bah. If he started... "photosynthesizing", it'd take time away from his favorite activity: eating.

I don't think he CAN photosynthesize; I thought everyone would know this by now, since that's the reason he needs to eat on a regular basis(I can vaguely recall someone chastising him for not being able two at the beg of s1).

Unless she DID know and said that to mean she wanted to do something else. She's a bit late in the game to do anything, and outside the "I'll be here to listen to you anytime" remark from Nagate, I don't see any previous indication she was interested in him.

[Anh_Minh]

You may know what photosynthesizing means, but I don't think you know what "photosynthesizing" means.

Let's just say I don't think Tsuruichi (who's always bugging her to go photosynthesize with him) is obsessed with getting a tan.

[GMT]

Originally Posted by AvianWing

I don't actually dislike the Captain's decision to continue the testing of the mass destruction weapon. We saw how enormous the gauna cluster is, and a weapon like that would be invaluable to its destruction. We've also seen technology with parts gauna (Tsugumi) succeed... for now. We've also just seen a group oblivious to the gauna threat get wiped out.

I mean, I understand that weapons of mass destruction will always get a bad rap in movies and TV shows. But is it not a viable alternative to sortie out pilots and to have a fraction of the sidonia population die when sidonia is hit with something?

The problem seems to be that destroying the Gauna seems to be turning into Ahab Kobayashi's great white whale. I've compared this show with (new) Battlestar Galactica before ... but Captain Kobayashi is no Bill Adama of Galactica. She's more like Helena Cain of the Pegasus, who pursued vengeance against the Cylons to the exclusion of everything else ... including the survival of her own people.

I mean, after wiping out the other captains, the first thing Kobayashi does is change course directly for the Gauna hive cluster. Which is, maybe not the thing you really want to do when you're safeguarding the last Humans in the universe (as far as you know.) And then she orders Shinatose to continue work on a weapon which, after one shot, promptly went berserk, attempted to eat everything in sight, and then blew itself up. These are not really sensible actions for her to take ... they're the actions of someone with a developing, unhealthy, obsession.

[jhpace1]

Originally Posted by AvianWing

I don't actually dislike the Captain's decision to continue the testing of the mass destruction weapon. We saw how enormous the gauna cluster is, and a weapon like that would be invaluable to its destruction. We've also seen technology with parts gauna (Tsugumi) succeed... for now. We've also just seen a group oblivious to the gauna threat get wiped out.

I mean, I understand that weapons of mass destruction will always get a bad rap in movies and TV shows. But is it not a viable alternative to sortie out pilots and to have a fraction of the sidonia population die when sidonia is hit with something?

Given the size of the Gauna approaching Planet Nine, a weapon of mass destruction would be preferable to losing some or all of their Gardes pilots and Tsugumi. Higgs cannons, mass drivers, particle beam cannons are just not going to be big enough. The problem is, the gravity-beam weapon in its current configuration is half-Gauna, and unstable after the first shot. Sidonia actually got out of a worse-case scenario when the gravity gun self-imploded.

[MonkeyDude]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Bah. If he started... "photosynthesizing", it'd take time away from his favorite activity: eating.

Shame he never got the genes so he can do both. Add in TV and you have yourself a Costanza Trifecta!

I hope they keep a certain "photosynthesizing" scene later on. Nagate needs to show that he ain't some herbivore, but a ravenous carnivore!

Originally Posted by GMT

The problem seems to be that destroying the Gauna seems to be turning into Ahab Kobayashi's great white whale. I've compared this show with (new) Battlestar Galactica before ... but Captain Kobayashi is no Bill Adama of Galactica. She's more like Helena Cain of the Pegasus, who pursued vengeance against the Cylons to the exclusion of everything else ... including the survival of her own people.

I mean, after wiping out the other captains, the first thing Kobayashi does is change course directly for the Gauna hive cluster. Which is, maybe not the thing you really want to do when you're safeguarding the last Humans in the universe (as far as you know.) And then she orders Shinatose to continue work on a weapon which, after one shot, promptly went berserk, attempted to eat everything in sight, and then blew itself up. These are not really sensible actions for her to take ... they're the actions of someone with a developing, unhealthy, obsession.

I reckon that living in constant fear of a single gauna slipping through the cracks and wiping out nearly the entire population again will do that to you. She already lived through one near extinction event and is taking the necessary steps to prevent it from happening again.

She didn't wipe out the other captains, she wiped out deluded fools who believed themselves superior to everyone else. The same fools ready to bail ship the moment things went sour for Sidonia. Sure her orders also meant charging directly into a ginormous hive cluster, but it's also in a star system with a habitable planet. Get rid of the gauna there and achieve the seed ship's goal of colonization? Oh and now you have a WMD capable of defending the planet against future attacks.

Say what you want about her possible unhealthy obsession with the gauna, but engaging with the possible prize of a habitable planet is a worthwhile venture. May as well make a near suicidal gambit worth something besides living to fight yet another day.

[Stark700]

Ah cliffhanger....

I must say though, this blade looks kinda crafty from the latest episode:

[Mubyoshi]

Man, I'd love to photosynthesize with Samari!

[frubam]

Lol, I'm surprised no one is really ecstatic that Izana finally changed D0=. No mention of her rather bigger-than-Yuhata chest or anything. For once, this thread denied my expectations.

[Mubyoshi]

I'm glad/happy that Izana finally changed, but I had already become too preoccupied with Samari. I still hope we get an in depth look on/about the third gender one day.

[Irenesharda]

Well, I've been calling Izana a "she" for episodes now so it's not going to change how I see her. I've seen her as a girl for some time, her body just decided to catch up.

That weapon was very unstable and Ochiai seems to think that something about it was "not enough". Does it need more power to be stable?

Kobayashi is developing an obsession in regards to the gauna and it might cause a danger to her ship and her men like it did this time. The Gauna are indeed a threat, but do you really want to risk Sidonia like this?