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Om Nerabdator · 2011-12-19, 07:26

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Originally Posted by Eternal Aselia

Pheles and Johann seemed a bit stronger than SoF Yuuji and Shana. Chapter 1 of vol.22 paints them as so, seemingly.

i think they just appeared at the worst possible time so of course they got the upper hand. Hell they were running away from sabrac for all those years so they have to be below him in terms of power

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-12-19, 08:03

They are nowhere near them in combat terms.

Pheles and Johan's skill lies in planning. Soft power stuff

Dark Wing · 2011-12-20, 21:15

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Originally Posted by edgelesspigeon

@teh_ping

So he still has his powers despite the Snake leaving him, correct? And take your time with the translations, I'd love to read them, but you've got your own life that's more important than translating.

I actually took it as Snake is still inside Yuji but just sleeping while Yuji still maintains his power.

Zetsuen_no_Myuu · 2011-12-20, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Om Nerabdator

i think they just appeared at the worst possible time so of course they got the upper hand. Hell they were running away from sabrac for all those years so they have to be below him in terms of power

I don't know... Shana was angry when she fought Pheles, and their fight didn't go anywhere. Johann seemingly always had the upper hand against Yuuji, at least seemingly effortlessly compared to Yuuji who seems to be struggling or needed to exert effort.

Perhaps Pheles and Johann don't surpass Shana and Yuuji in terms of combat ability, but in other ways like Jizaihou and PoE, I think they're slightly above them. They also have the thing that can create the greatest Jizaihou and power-ups, and that is love. Though Yuuji and Shana too have that.

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-12-20, 22:19

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Originally Posted by Eternal Aselia

I don't know... Shana was angry when she fought Pheles, and their fight didn't go anywhere. Johann seemingly always had the upper hand against Yuuji, at least seemingly effortlessly compared to Yuuji who seems to be struggling or needed to exert effort.

Perhaps Pheles and Johann don't surpass Shana and Yuuji in terms of combat ability, but in other ways like Jizaihou and PoE, I think they're slightly above them. They also have the thing that can create the greatest Jizaihou and power-ups, and that is love. Though Yuuji and Shana too have that.

You should bear in mind that Johan's speech was causing Yuji to behave irrationally .

Or that Johan co-created the Reiji Maigo in the first place.

Zetsuen_no_Myuu · 2011-12-21, 00:31

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

You should bear in mind that Johan's speech was causing Yuji to behave irrationally .

Or that Johan co-created the Reiji Maigo in the first place.

Of course, I had these in mind well before I made that post.

Ec1ge · 2011-12-21, 07:36

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Originally Posted by Dark Wing

I actually took it as Snake is still inside Yuji but just sleeping while Yuji still maintains his power.

That seems likely.
Cause if Yuji and Shana rule Xanadu, Shana must still have her powers while Yuji has his. Getting ruled by someone who has very little abilities other than wielding a sword doesnt work.

Kochiya · 2011-12-21, 11:01

Hi guys, long time no see for those who still remembers me.
I recently finished the last volume, and gosh, what a while it took. Had been following the Shana fandom since it begun, so kinda overwhelming, reading the very last part of the world of Shana.
I love the power tier discussion. Anyhow, Asiz is an unique case. While his flam haze was still around, the duo has been regarded as one of the greatest flame hazes ever, recognised by Sophie and the like. Not to mentioned asiz's fh lived an exceptionally long time before dying.

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-12-22, 09:49

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Originally Posted by Kochiya

Hi guys, long time no see for those who still remembers me.
I recently finished the last volume, and gosh, what a while it took. Had been following the Shana fandom since it begun, so kinda overwhelming, reading the very last part of the world of Shana.
I love the power tier discussion. Anyhow, Asiz is an unique case. While his flam haze was still around, the duo has been regarded as one of the greatest flame hazes ever, recognised by Sophie and the like. Not to mentioned asiz's fh lived an exceptionally long time before dying.

IIRC wasn't Tis and Asiz the first Flame Haze pair?

Coffin Weaver's ability is still quite ghey though since it essentially sends everyone into stasis, severed from the rest of reality....

Poor Tis...brought down in the end due to betrayal...

Kochiya · 2011-12-22, 12:17

They have an OP ability, that's for sure. How do we rank the toten glocke in terms of ability and power then. (just got eternal song vol.3, and was marvellig at those little details that describe a character so well)
And I think you are right about Tis and Asiz, although I cannot find any mention of it in the novels, as of now. Probably slipped my mind. Onore age ><

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-12-22, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Kochiya

They have an OP ability, that's for sure. How do we rank the toten glocke in terms of ability and power then. (just got eternal song vol.3, and was marvellig at those little details that describe a character so well)
And I think you are right about Tis and Asiz, although I cannot find any mention of it in the novels, as of now. Probably slipped my mind. Onore age ><

It's at the middle of Eternal song 3 IIRC...

Toten Glocke....

Top 3 should be Asiz and the two Wings .

Then Ullikumi

the rest is kinda hard to tell...

Game8910 · 2011-12-22, 23:06

I've probably missed previous discussion on this but who is Asiz again?

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-12-22, 23:24

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Originally Posted by Game8910

I've probably missed previous discussion on this but who is Asiz again?

Coffin Weaver. Blue Angel of Toten Glocke.

The Lord Mathilde and Alastor fought.

Game8910 · 2011-12-22, 23:31

Ah ok...I only knew him as Coffin Weaver

alvinkhorfire · 2011-12-23, 08:47

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Originally Posted by Kochiya

I recently finished the last volume, and gosh, what a while it took. Had been following the Shana fandom since it begun, so kinda overwhelming, reading the very last part of the world of Shana.

It would be better if you could post a summary of the final volume. It just needs to have a bit more detail than the one given as below. Of course, just ignore my silly request if you have no intention to do so.

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Originally Posted by virox

Careful from now on, spoilers are out!

Spoiler for Volume 22 - the end of Shakugan no Shana:

Kochiya · 2011-12-23, 12:19

You know the twin wings are supposed to have the strongest offensive hougu and defensive unrestricted method rigth? Ever wondered what they meant by strongest, especially when there seem to be better ones? (Sokar seems pathetically weak, even when compared to Molech btw)
Yup, Cosmic Eagle you were right about Tis.

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-12-23, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Kochiya

You know the twin wings are supposed to have the strongest offensive hougu and defensive unrestricted method rigth? Ever wondered what they meant by strongest, especially when there seem to be better ones? (Sokar seems pathetically weak, even when compared to Molech btw)
Yup, Cosmic Eagle you were right about Tis.

Maybe because Karl is like....bloody strong. Utrennyaya and Vechernyaya seem to be one of the stronger Flame Haze Lords around.

It could be they meant strongest at that time? Even though Asiz himself and Sydonay already trump them hands down in that...

Blutsauger · 2011-12-24, 06:29

Questions~ How long ago was Toten Glocke? And Sydonnay was around when in the first great war? And if he was, was it the same Sydonnay as the Current Sydonnay? because from memory, the Trinity's are reborn every few hundred years right? or is that only after they die?

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-12-24, 09:32

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Originally Posted by Blutsauger

Questions~ How long ago was Toten Glocke? And Sydonnay was around when in the first great war? And if he was, was it the same Sydonnay as the Current Sydonnay? because from memory, the Trinity's are reborn every few hundred years right? or is that only after they die?

Only after they die or when SnH needs them....

The Trinity that has been around since SnH got sealed are the same ones.

Actually it seems that they are the only ones....I mean, even if they are reborn, they are still the same person. It's not as if Sydonay is a title or something....

Toten Glocke was during the 16th century.

CapoExecutor · 2011-12-24, 14:39

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Originally Posted by virox

Careful from now on, spoilers are out!

Spoiler for Volume 22 - the end of Shakugan no Shana:

So Khamsin and those three under "good-bye", are they KIA? Yukari's family is restored along with herself?
Since Margery stayed with Keisaku, there's only the problem of the latter's brief lifespan.

Hmm... interesting.

Pheles and Johan- made a child and vanished. Hmm... I guess it was to happen (Note: If this is actually confirmed to be correct, I guess my speculating shot in the dark hit the right target two years ago when I brought up the subject despite me saying it differently and in a different context)

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Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	They are nowhere near them in combat terms. Pheles and Johan's skill lies in planning. Soft power stuff __________________

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Game8910 Shanacon/Ariafag Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: a room full of despair Age: 34	I've probably missed previous discussion on this but who is Asiz again? __________________ HEY GUYS BE NICE AND VISIT MY BLOG WILL YA? Latest Update: Spring 2011 Impressions (part1) Spring 2011 Impressions (part2)

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Game8910 Shanacon/Ariafag Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: a room full of despair Age: 34	Ah ok...I only knew him as Coffin Weaver __________________ HEY GUYS BE NICE AND VISIT MY BLOG WILL YA? Latest Update: Spring 2011 Impressions (part1) Spring 2011 Impressions (part2)

2011-12-21, 11:01	Link #4648
Kochiya Lv.6 Railgun and violin Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chireiden	Hi guys, long time no see for those who still remembers me. I recently finished the last volume, and gosh, what a while it took. Had been following the Shana fandom since it begun, so kinda overwhelming, reading the very last part of the world of Shana. I love the power tier discussion. Anyhow, Asiz is an unique case. While his flam haze was still around, the duo has been regarded as one of the greatest flame hazes ever, recognised by Sophie and the like. Not to mentioned asiz's fh lived an exceptionally long time before dying.

2011-12-22, 12:17	Link #4650
Kochiya Lv.6 Railgun and violin Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chireiden	They have an OP ability, that's for sure. How do we rank the toten glocke in terms of ability and power then. (just got eternal song vol.3, and was marvellig at those little details that describe a character so well) And I think you are right about Tis and Asiz, although I cannot find any mention of it in the novels, as of now. Probably slipped my mind. Onore age ><

2011-12-23, 12:19	Link #4656
Kochiya Lv.6 Railgun and violin Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chireiden	You know the twin wings are supposed to have the strongest offensive hougu and defensive unrestricted method rigth? Ever wondered what they meant by strongest, especially when there seem to be better ones? (Sokar seems pathetically weak, even when compared to Molech btw) Yup, Cosmic Eagle you were right about Tis.

2011-12-24, 06:29	Link #4658
Blutsauger Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia	Questions~ How long ago was Toten Glocke? And Sydonnay was around when in the first great war? And if he was, was it the same Sydonnay as the Current Sydonnay? because from memory, the Trinity's are reborn every few hundred years right? or is that only after they die?