2013-01-12, 16:39 | Link #121 |
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Oh and of course this, from Hunter x Hunter
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This post isn't serious, but there does seem to be more Hisokaservice than I'd really want throughout the series. As for the creator of HxH, he also did Yu Yu Hakusho which had way tons of male fanservice too.
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2013-01-12, 17:01 | Link #123 | |
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The argument was that all sexual fanservice in a serious action scene is inherently distracting and so should always be separated (even if they exist in the same show); that there's no good reason not to just keep the fanservice to the light-hearted parts of the show so the serious action scenes can be "serious". This may be in part because some people are trying to focus on the technical execution of the fight, and the fanservice "gets in the way". The counterargument is that it isn't necessarily inherently distracting (particularly if it's the established norm in the show), and there's no reason why there shouldn't be shows that blend the two elements at the same time if they want to. This may be in part because some people are not so focused on the technical execution in the fight of the first place, but appreciating the scene on the whole (in which both the fight and the fanservice are a part). In the end, I personally think that it's sort of like people who don't like to mix their foods. You could argue that a restaurant shouldn't serve any dishes with mixed food because some people don't like food mixed. But at the same time, the person who doesn't like the mixed food could just ask, and then know what not to order. In that sense it kinda sorta does tie in to your original argument, but not in the same way, since it's about the specific way a show chooses to blend its elements. (This analogy is a bit broken, though, because people who don't like their food mixed can usually just mix it themselves. Mixing the blend of anime elements isn't so easy if it wasn't served that way in the first place.) For my part, the only reason I started probing at this in the first place was because I've seen a lot of people who have blanket opinions about fanservice in general, but few that argue that "fanservice is fine, just keep it out of these types of scenes". To me, it never occurred to me that there'd be some big line to be drawn there. Then again, I'm not a big fan of action/fighting, so I don't have any particular thing that I'm looking for in those sorts of scenes in the first place. To put it more simply......is having sexual fanservice blended into action scenes an "inherent flaw" or just an "artistic choice"? I think it's the latter, but it certainly doesn't mean that people have to enjoy it.
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2013-01-12, 17:27 | Link #124 | |
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I do wonder though, are topless male characters fighting while showing their abs also considered sexual fanservice during action? I’m torn here because guys have been fighting topless since the time earlier than the gladiators. It has become routine. Still, I’m not a girl, so I won’t know what good fanservice by male is about . Also, another question, how about a serious fight which supposed to result in a drama (like, for example, the sadness during the action in which you have to fight and kill you brainwashed friend)? Wouldn’t adding sexual fanservice into that kind of fighting scene will only break the “sadness” mood or drama? For example: Spoiler for My scenario:
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It isn't fanservice per say (though there is some gratitious nudity of him :S) but it does fall under perverted comedy, which also happens a bit for what most of us consider ecchi. It's not supposed to be serious. Then again, I also think hentai is frequently perverted comedy and not meant for arousal too, so YMMV. Quote:
I do find certain combos of sex and violence to be distasteful. Sexualizing violence is usually a bad idea.
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2013-01-12, 17:49 | Link #128 | |
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If your argument is that there is no way to blend the two elements into the same scene seamlessly, then it's like sensuality has become completely disconnected from the rest of your senses and emotions, and that doesn't seem logical to me. That doesn't mean that there wouldn't be ways to do it poorly and that cause things to stand out in a bad way... but I'm not sure if it's natural for the human body to be that taboo.
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2013-01-12, 18:21 | Link #132 | |
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The argument seems to be largely about "the principle of the thing", but I don't know if it's a principle. So, I can't say if I'm okay with it "on principle", though I think it's okay for all sorts of presentation approaches to exist, and have apparently been okay with some examples in practice. I do see that some people seem to dislike it purely on principle, though.
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Now is there such a thing as well used fanservice in an action series? Well if the goal is to offer a "turn on" for its audience, then it has to provide this in a way without compromising the other aspects of a show. When you're in a serious conversation scene and then someone suddenly starts groping another character's breasts, then this is damaging to the integrity of the storytelling. The show is then blatantly telling its audience to be amused and find what they're being shown erotic. More often than not for me personally this is going to completely miss the mark of what fanservice should be trying to achieve. Subtler forms of fanservice do a lot better. The kinds that are present, but not thrust into the viewer's face. Now a show like strike witches I wouldn't even call serious, so I think that's a really poor example for the topic at hand.
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2013-01-12, 18:40 | Link #134 | |
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(Well, anyway, I'm summarizing conversations that already happened in this thread. It may be helpful just to read it through from the beginning. But it's not really a poor example for the topic at hand, because that was the original context.)
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2013-01-12, 18:56 | Link #135 |
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I don't mind some fanservice in action though if talk about Strike Witches, I still can't figure out why they are always in their underwear... it just makes no sense except lame/obviouse fanservice that is actually forced down your throat.
Even though I liked the show and didn't mind some fanservice, I still believe that they should at LEAST have skirts!
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2013-01-12, 19:33 | Link #136 | |
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I think it's just a distinguishing trait. The show was basically about a group of girls working together to save the world... and doing it all without wearing pants. I suppose you could argue that they needed to be able to quickly get into their flight gear at a moment's notice, but there were doubtless other ways they could have done it too if they really wanted to. Maybe you could argue that, on some level, it was some sort of commentary, while also being fanservice. In the end, it's just a unique part of the premise. I'm not sure the show would be as widely-known or remembered if not for this unique trait.
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2013-01-12, 19:43 | Link #137 | ||
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That's really all it boils down to. For example, I'll try screwing around with your words to get a different "conceptually flawed" out of it. On the topic of choosing to make a series soft scifi Quote:
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2013-01-12, 19:51 | Link #138 |
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Personally, I don't mind at all. I have the option of choosing the type of action/combat sequences that I watch: if I wanted something serious, I'll watch something serious, and if I wish for something light-hearted, I'll watch something else that satisfies my ever-changing criterion. In the context of Vividred Operation, the gear the girls have is somehow less revealing than their regular outfits, so I'm not too sure what all the fuss is about
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It's all opinions, so why have a discussion right?
Yeah I understand the original context, I'm just questioning the assertion that these shows are somehow "serious" in any way and why the discussion of these might be fundamentally misguided. Whether or not fanservice fits in these series, well that's a different question.
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In fact the very word technobabble is popularized from Star Trek, and it did a pretty good job of crashing that franchise into the ground. It doesn't mean soft scifi is inherently bad, but the concepts inherent to it can still undermine its storytelling.
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