Ookami to Koushinryou (Spice and Wolf) Generic Discussion

[Masanori Ota]

New episode raws are due out tomorrow. Be alert, doods.

[Ellaya_dw]

There. You can use them as wallpapers. Free, of course

Spoiler for for 2 wall's:

[CrowKenobi]

Originally Posted by Kira_Naruto

Cant lose to CK in sig producing department!


Free

Nice sig KiNA, but you're behind!

[Masanori Ota]

Originally Posted by Ellaya_dw

There. You can use them as wallpapers. Free, of course

Spoiler for for 2 wall's:

Nice cleanup job! Or did you scan those yourself? Either way, thanks dood.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Ellaya_dw

There. You can use them as wallpapers. Free, of course

Spoiler for for 2 wall's:

Alright thanks for the nice wallpapers. Horo will hit just about everything I've got now .

Originally Posted by CrowKenobi

Nice sig KiNA, but you're behind!

Horo moe alert. Such a high dose there it may take a few minutes to recover .

[Neki Ecko]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Alright thanks for the nice wallpapers. Horo will hit just about everything I've got now .Horo moe alert. Such a high dose there it may take a few weeks even months to recover .

Fixed for Truth! Horo cuteness is unbelieveable and maybe better than Haruhi. Even better then her (bracing for impact).

[Masanori Ota]

Originally Posted by Neki Ecko

Fixed for Truth! Horo cuteness is unbelieveable and maybe better than Haruhi. Even better then her (bracing for impact).

No impact is forthcoming, as Haruhi is now mainstream and known to even the most base of 'congoers everywhere. That entire series has lost its charm, it's touch. I can guarantee to you, on the other hand, that I won't see a single person cosplaying Lawrence or Horo at Megacon 08. If I do, I'll pay for their lunch. And Horo doesn't look like she's going to lose her otherworldly attraction anytime soon.

[Ellaya_dw]

Originally Posted by Masanori Ota

Nice cleanup job! Or did you scan those yourself? Either way, thanks dood.

I've clean it on Photoshop 6 (without my favorite "Healing Brush" function )
And you are welcome.

P.S.: Say it for this and the following posts: Sorry for my lame english.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Neki Ecko

Fixed for Truth! Horo cuteness is unbelieveable and maybe better than Haruhi. Even better then her (bracing for impact).

Your absolutely right and thanks for the repair on that statement. No way one could recover from that level of Horo moe so quickly .

[Neki Ecko]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Your absolutely right and thanks for the repair on that statement. No way one could recover from that level of Horo moe so quickly .

No problem, I am here to help out

Beside there is a question about this that got me wondering, I went to Wikipedia site and it seems like they spelled Horo with Holo (but they did put Horo on the side of her name, so the question is which is the right name, Holo or Horo?

[Solace]

Yes. R and L have no distinction in Japanese. B and V are the same. Makes for interesting translating, because sometimes even the creators don't know.

[Ultenth]

I believe someone stated earlier that the main anime website itself seems to lean towards Holo, but as Solace stated there really is no difference. There are no real L and R sounds in Japanese, but one sound that is about 1/2 way between the two.

[Masanori Ota]

Holo makes me think of holograms, which in turn makes me think of Han Solo for some reason, so I stick to Horo. I tried changing all instances of "Holo" on Wikipedia to "Horo" but some idort changed it back.

[FlareKnight]

Yeah I prefer Horo myself. Not sure what it is, but Holo does leave me not feeling right. Probably because I've gotten used to one way of spelling her name. Besides long as it isn't the wrong way to do it should be fine.

[Ultenth]

http://www.spicy-wolf.com/assets/ima...acter_holo.gif

Is the pic from the main website, and the actual link is character_holo.gif So it looks like the person that made the website (or set up the pictures for it at least) thinks it should be spelled Holo. Again, it could be translated as either and be equally right (or wrong, techniqually). The generally accepted spelling on most Roman lettered websites seems to be Horo, so to avoid confusion that's what I use as well. If people want to go by what some random web manager that works for the company Imagin hired to do their website says, they can feel free to do so, but I imagine that a year from now very few people will refer to her as Holo.

In fact as a testiment to which is more accepted, go ahead and use a search engine and search for +Holo +"Spice and wolf" then search for +Horo +"Spice and wolf" and you'll see that the hits for Horo is roughly 5.5 times greater.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Masanori Ota

No impact is forthcoming, as Haruhi is now mainstream and known to even the most base of 'congoers everywhere. That entire series has lost its charm, it's touch.

If it was so "mainstream", we'd have more episodes already. It's just very, very popular. And not so well known in the States as, say, Naruto or Bleach.

On-topic, Horo IS amazing. This show already deserves a second season and I've only seen two episodes of the first.

[Westlo]

It deserves more than a second season, need a 3rd as well! and a fourth when more books come out!

[Vexx]

The "L" idort is totally off-base. Virtually all translations and teachings of the ”ろ”　character romaji is "ro". I don't have my data handy though .... is Horo's name spelled "ほろ”？ ..

now the *pronunciation* of Horo is going to have that l-d-r mix sound that some find hard to learn... but anyone trying to spell it in romaji as "Holo" is just being obstinate.

[Solace]

Originally Posted by Ultenth

I believe someone stated earlier that the main anime website itself seems to lean towards Holo, but as Solace stated there really is no difference. There are no real L and R sounds in Japanese, but one sound that is about 1/2 way between the two.

Yup. The actually sound is something like Holo, but when hearing it you can easily mistake it for either Holo or Horo. As an English speaker, it's hard to comprehend the lack of a "hard" R or L sound, or even how to do it properly. It's also the butt of an old joke involved "flied lice".

It reminds me of when I got hooked on Vampire Princess Miyu. I actually have the very old videotapes, and in there is a leaflet of notes and translations from the show. One of the notes is a story from the staff, who had a hard time deciding the best way to translate the name of Miyu's guardian, Larva (Laba, Lava, Larba, etc). They even went to the creator and asked for how it was supposed to be, and he gave them the name Larva just to settle the question.

In most cases you can guess pretty accurately the intended spelling, for instance Horo is most likely the correct way of saying her name. But sometimes it's anyones guess, because the "correct" way of pronouncing just doesn't exist.

Ril - Real - Rel - Lil .........

[Ultenth]

Ahhh, Ergo Proxy, I was so frustrated with the constantly changing translation of her name. But yeah, due to there really being no translation into a lo sound, and one for ro (in terms of romanizing characters) even if you look it up on wiki etc. I would guess it's ro. A random gif put up by some Mediaworks web designer grunt isn't defined proof in my mind. Also if you run a websearch for Holo vs. Horo (make sure to use +'s and +"Spice and wolf" as well.) you'll find Horo is more widely accepted on the internet in general by a ratio of over 5:1. I posted that info on the wiki as well as changed it to Horo. While L or R or D could all be equally correct (and incorrect) I believe going by the most widely accepted version according to Japanese language teachers as well as the most widely way in which the character herself is referred to by fans, makes the most sense.