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Friday · 2010-09-23, 08:31

dying for the next ova......
whenever that is......

Spectacular_Insanity · 2010-09-23, 13:41

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Originally Posted by Thess

They seem to be redoing COMPLETELY episode 1... From what I've seen of the previews. They need to redraw Integra in almost every scene, and Alucard, and Rip, etc... Which includes new animation. Probably most of the other episodes too.... Episode 5 was NOT only Madhouse product but also Satelight, you can tell the transmission-was-on, but not quite as episodes 6 and 7 were 100% pure Madhouse. Not one episode but 5, I think they should have said it would take it a year at least from start on myself.

They are also waiting for Hirano's cover (and he's right now a "busy, popular mangaka"). Which will probably delay this even longer...

It wasn't the Nazis... But the studio's liberties (some Ueda still takes, I say, he has a vision of Hellsing that sneaks into episode 1 of the OVA that wasn't in the Manga).

The changes they did also had NOTHING to do with "not enough source material". But because Gonzo likes to change stuff for better or worse (I liked the Anime, mind you, I still do, but I don't think they even tried to stay close to the manga).

Spoiler for And How:

Take for instance, making Seras Victoria's the POV character when she wasn't even a developed character at the time (she barely had a name, only because Hirano was pressured by the editors to name her lol at the end of volume 1) which was frankly annoying because her character didn't HAVE a background yet (unlike Integra or Alucard who were more rounded characters) not until far into the manga. Her personality was changed completely from a sightly dumb-but-cheerful and strong soldier with tomboyism tendencies into an emo super smart detective vampire who is uber girly (the OVA also girlifies Seras far too much when in the manga, the only skirt she wears is in the uniform not by choice). I like her as an upbeat, unconsciously sexy Squadette, the plucky comic relief instead of the angsty vamp detective with Daddy Issues. I've seen this done better in Forever Knight, thank you.

Anyway, Alucard's personality was changed from willing servant to an arrogant tamed beast with a Stockholm Syndrome...... so was Integra's (who in the first volumes was cocky, unable to deal with crisis and stress, smirky, and tsundere-ish, not too prideful to admit she needed help, with a closer relationship with Seras than it shows. How does this even match her Gonzo characterization?). The dynamics were resembling to Ai to Shi no Rondo Elizabeth/Sissy and Der Tod's ones...with mindgames and things that weren't close to their manga dynamics which was more twisted chaste lady/knight bodyguard dynamics.

Look at how Alucard met Seras and Integra. Both were already published when the anime was produced and there are enormous substantially differences.

In the manga, he didn't care to ask first, shot her in cold blood, left her agonize in the floor then give her a choice; none of the previous encounter and none of the focus on Seras' introduction (that chapter in the manga was focused on Alucard, not Seras). Not because he wanted but because she 'chose' that and (defending his actions to Integra) "didn't have any other option left!". TV series wise, he asks before hand, she looks happy (???) of being shot in the lung, and he looks content carrying Seras to Integra as if throwing her to her face which she is left cold and icy towards. Manga wise, he looks indifferent/annoyed when carrying a comically confused Seras and is quick to defend himself when Integra angrily and hotly accuses him of something else.

Meeting Integra is also different. Although like his meeting with Seras it was still cool (not in the OVA, they shafted this which was an ENTIRE manga chapter). While in the Anime is portrayed as tensed and sexual charged (with Alucard testing her and pinning her to a wall, flat out telling to her face that he's turned on by her). The manga, shows a softer, cuter and idealistic romantic meeting. With Integra cuddling next to him, asking for a knight in shining armor as a fantasy of hers. Alucard acting the part faithfully (then he teased her about her sentimental remembrance).

This completely affected the tone of the core dynamics. Not to mention the obvious sexism issues...Gonzo had. Did we really need Seras and Integra seemly crippled and waiting for Alucard to the rescue? Really? Or the animosity between them? Sure, in the manga, Integra wasn't happy with Seras in the beginning, but she got over it quickly and cared a lot for the girl, even in volume 1, she risks to save her. So did Seras, one action she didn't do for Alucard.

The Round Table was changed as capable, without undermining Integra's authority at all into some big bad incompetent bureaucrats. Anderson's softness with the orphans was gone. Etc. Lots of examples.

Changes are inevitable, and to be honest I like the changes they made. They made it more gritty and "realistic", and not so silly and romanticized. And I prefer Seras as the protagonist POV. She retained the bulk of her innocence (at least up until Bernadotte's death and she becomes a true vampire, more or less an inevitable personality change) and does provide comic relief, despite the darker undertones of the OVA.

I think the OVA basically solved all the writing flaws that were present in the manga and certainly the anime. For instance, if the Round Table really were competent, they should have been able to muster more resistance than the token forces deployed in London in both the manga and OVA. Also, Alucard and Integra's meeting should have been charged with both mortal and sexual tension. Alucard is a goddamn Nosferatu, not a fluffy pet bunny rabbit. He only served the Hellsing family because he was sealed to them. He's an monster in (mostly) human form, and it's only through his experiences fighting for Integra that he grows into something more (Alucard alludes to the importance of being human more times than I can count).

What I'm trying to say is that the changes they made were both necessary and good. Complaining because it's different won't accomplish anything but detract from your overall enjoyment. Just be thankful they decided to remake this series with an OVA at all.

duckroll · 2010-10-22, 09:41

Today the blu-ray box for Vol1-5 of Hellsing was released. The official site has also gotten a complete revamp, along with some very interesting information.

http://www.geneon-ent.co.jp/rondorob...ing/index.html

"Final season VIII-X
HELLSING STUDIO
Graphinica x Kelmadick"

This confirms a few things:
- The OVA will be 10 volumes long in total
- Madhouse has also been removed from the project
- Graphinica and Kelmadick will take over production of the last 3 volumes

http://www.graphinica.com/en/about/index.html

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Graphinica is a CG/VFX studio established by Q-TEC, INC, transferred originally from Studio GONZO's Digital VFX Team, a pioneer in digital animation.

With collaboration of Q-TEC, INC's post production techniques and GONZO's creativity known in the famous works such as: "Blue Submarine No.6", "Yukikaze", "Last Exile", "Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo" and "Afro Samurai", we will continue to position ourselves as a leading edge studio of visual graphics.

How ironic that in a way Hellsing is going to be completed by GONZO after all. :P

Jarmel · 2010-10-22, 10:49

Aw fuck. We were doing so well too. Explains the delay with 8 but damn this is bad news. Why in god's name did they drop it? Too much work?

konart · 2010-10-22, 11:02

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Originally Posted by duckroll

Today the blu-ray box for Vol1-5 of Hellsing was released. The official site has also gotten a complete revamp, along with some very interesting information.

http://www.geneon-ent.co.jp/rondorob...ing/index.html

"Final season VIII-X
HELLSING STUDIO
Graphinica x Kelmadick"

This confirms a few things:
- The OVA will be 10 volumes long in total
- Madhouse has also been removed from the project
- Graphinica and Kelmadick will take over production of the last 3 volumes

http://www.graphinica.com/en/about/index.html

How ironic that in a way Hellsing is going to be completed by GONZO after all. :P

Gonzo?

/fail

Shiroth · 2010-10-22, 12:12

I take it Madhouse being removed from the project has something to do with the very long wait since the last episode. Makes sense.

Jarmel · 2010-10-22, 12:16

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

I take it Madhouse being removed from the project has something to do with the very long wait since the last episode. Makes sense.

I'm really curious as to what the hell is going on over there. Madhouse just re-did 1-5 so I can understand the delay but I wonder if one of the higher-ups lost their patience. If any show deserved a behind the scenes documentary then this would be it. It really makes no sense especially as Madhouse was doing a pretty good job.

Dextro · 2010-10-22, 14:06

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Originally Posted by Jarmel

I'm really curious as to what the hell is going on over there. Madhouse just re-did 1-5 so I can understand the delay but I wonder if one of the higher-ups lost their patience. If any show deserved a behind the scenes documentary then this would be it. It really makes no sense especially as Madhouse was doing a pretty good job.

Damn straight, this show needs a documentary on the development process has an example of what NOT to do...

And GONZO? Really? Damn that made me laugh my head of right now. I wasn't even sure they were still alive

Friday · 2010-10-25, 19:09

at least now we all know whats happening.......

Spoiler for prediction....:

orion · 2010-10-25, 19:19

Graphinica's not really GONZO. It's more like QTEC's animation arm. Link

Graphinica apparently also worked on the original Hellsing when it was a part of GONZO.

Jarmel · 2010-10-25, 22:45

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Originally Posted by orion

Graphinica's not really GONZO. It's more like QTEC's animation arm. Link

Graphinica apparently also worked on the original Hellsing when it was a part of GONZO.

That doesn't really inspire hope in me.

duckroll · 2010-10-27, 13:47

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Originally Posted by orion

Graphinica's not really GONZO. It's more like QTEC's animation arm. Link

Graphinica apparently also worked on the original Hellsing when it was a part of GONZO.

Graphinica is very much GONZO. From 1999 until 2009, the staff were exclusively part of GONZO as the digital VFX and compositing studio. Graphinica did not exist before 2009. When GONZO dissolved all their studios and assets in 2009, the staff from the studio started up Graphinica under Q-TEC.

They do not do ANY traditional animation, this should be stressed heavily. They are not an animation studio, they are a digital works studio. This means they do digital effects, editing, compositing, etc. It's pretty obvious that Kelmadick will be handling the animation production ends of things, while Graphinica handles the 3DCG, editing, and basically editing and putting the content together into an episode.

As far as the work that Graphinica does is concerned, they are 100% GONZO. Saying that Graphinica is not GONZO is like saying BONES was not originally Sunrise.

duckroll · 2010-10-27, 13:59

Oh, and I think I should add that it seems Madhouse might not have been involved with the recent blu-ray box set release after all. It's hard to get any real information on it because I don't think anyone bought it (anyone here?), but someone on 2ch has stated that all the corrections on the animation were handled entirely by Ryoji Nakamori and Yasuhiro Matsumura. No one has mentioned who handled the compositing and editing (which would be the other half of the work on the re-release), so it could be Madhouse, or they could already have moved on to Graphinica.

I wish I could buy it and check the credits, but I don't really feel like dropping another 300 bucks on something I already own. Not to mention, FUNimation will almost certainly be releasing the blu-ray versions next year for a much lower price...

If anyone actually bought the blu-ray box set, the credits would be very helpful!

Jarmel · 2010-10-27, 15:18

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Originally Posted by duckroll

Oh, and I think I should add that it seems Madhouse might not have been involved with the recent blu-ray box set release after all. It's hard to get any real information on it because I don't think anyone bought it (anyone here?), but someone on 2ch has stated that all the corrections on the animation were handled entirely by Ryoji Nakamori and Yasuhiro Matsumura. No one has mentioned who handled the compositing and editing (which would be the other half of the work on the re-release), so it could be Madhouse, or they could already have moved on to Graphinica.

I wish I could buy it and check the credits, but I don't really feel like dropping another 300 bucks on something I already own. Not to mention, FUNimation will almost certainly be releasing the blu-ray versions next year for a much lower price...

If anyone actually bought the blu-ray box set, the credits would be very helpful!

Yea I have the boxset, got it in today. No clue where to look.

duckroll · 2010-10-27, 15:22

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Originally Posted by Jarmel

Yea I have the boxset, got it in today. No clue where to look.

Any chance you'll be able to post some impressions/comparisons of it while you're at it? I'm pretty interested in the content and how good it looks in HD. Especially volume 4, my favorite.

As for the credits, I think there should be a staff listing in the booklet? In the previous OVA volumes the back of the booklet always had the credit list for that volume. Of course ideally, the ending credits for each volume from the footage itself would be very helpful, but I'm not sure if that's too much trouble for you.

Jarmel · 2010-10-27, 15:24

Damn. Most of it's in Kanji but Graphinica and Kelmadick are on the back and Q-Tec is listed as Post Production.

Madhouse is nowhere to be mentioned. So I would assume yes Madhouse didn't do it.

duckroll · 2010-10-27, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Jarmel

Damn. Most of it's in Kanji but Graphinica and Kelmadick are on the back and Q-Tec is listed as Post Production.

Madhouse is nowhere to be mentioned. So I would assume yes Madhouse didn't do it.

If you can take a clean photo, I'll translate the credits. Thanks a lot!

Jarmel · 2010-10-27, 16:20

Spoiler for Pictures be large:

Tell me if you need better photos, only have access to Iphone4 right now.

Shiroth · 2010-10-27, 16:33

Urgh. Thumbnails, please.

Jarmel · 2010-10-27, 17:00

Screenshots from the set.

Episode 1:http://img42.imageshack.us/g/hellsin...apshot434.jpg/
Episode 2:http://img89.imageshack.us/g/hellsin...napshot03.jpg/
Episode 3:http://img529.imageshack.us/g/hellsi...napshot42.jpg/
Episode 4:http://img716.imageshack.us/g/hellsi...napshot45.jpg/
Episode 5:http://img229.imageshack.us/g/hellsi...napshot39.jpg/

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2010-10-22, 10:49	Link #584
Jarmel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	Aw fuck. We were doing so well too. Explains the delay with 8 but damn this is bad news. Why in god's name did they drop it? Too much work?

2010-10-27, 13:59	Link #593
duckroll 綺羅星★！ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 42	Oh, and I think I should add that it seems Madhouse might not have been involved with the recent blu-ray box set release after all. It's hard to get any real information on it because I don't think anyone bought it (anyone here?), but someone on 2ch has stated that all the corrections on the animation were handled entirely by Ryoji Nakamori and Yasuhiro Matsumura. No one has mentioned who handled the compositing and editing (which would be the other half of the work on the re-release), so it could be Madhouse, or they could already have moved on to Graphinica. I wish I could buy it and check the credits, but I don't really feel like dropping another 300 bucks on something I already own. Not to mention, FUNimation will almost certainly be releasing the blu-ray versions next year for a much lower price... If anyone actually bought the blu-ray box set, the credits would be very helpful!

2010-10-27, 15:24	Link #596
Jarmel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	Damn. Most of it's in Kanji but Graphinica and Kelmadick are on the back and Q-Tec is listed as Post Production. Madhouse is nowhere to be mentioned. So I would assume yes Madhouse didn't do it.

2010-10-27, 16:33	Link #599
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Jarmel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	Screenshots from the set. Episode 1:http://img42.imageshack.us/g/hellsin...apshot434.jpg/ Episode 2:http://img89.imageshack.us/g/hellsin...napshot03.jpg/ Episode 3:http://img529.imageshack.us/g/hellsi...napshot42.jpg/ Episode 4:http://img716.imageshack.us/g/hellsi...napshot45.jpg/ Episode 5:http://img229.imageshack.us/g/hellsi...napshot39.jpg/ Last edited by Jarmel; 2010-10-27 at 18:01.