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Originally Posted by RedWing
The use of the word checkmate was WRONG. W-R-O-N-G!
Lets even say that Schniezel did intend to say Your checkmate, It is still wrong! The fact that Lelouch was able to move away proves that it WAS NOT CHECKMATE. CHECKMATE ENDS THE GAME.
I am obviously missing something that others are seeing because if he had said CHECK, then I could say that he is just ignoring the illegality of the move, but saying CHECKMATE was just wrong.
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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh
You're in checkmate when it's your turn, you're in check, and you have nowhere to go. Schneizel didn't fulfill the first condition.
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Pure nonsense. Pure and utter nonsense. A player can call himself out on an inevitable checkmate and simply knock over his king if he wishes or continue playing. For instance, I am losing, my king is castle-trapped by pawns and my opponent's queen is in line for a checkmate next turn. Assume that no matter the move I make I cannot stop it. I can very easily, and in all legality say 'it'll be (it's) checkmate' and knock over my king. I can also say 'checkmate' since my opponent is not some brain dead idiot and he will understand that I am acknowledging
his checkmate
on me. All that is being argued over is formality. I am clearly not making a move that puts my opponent into check or even mate and am simply noting the innevitable fact. Just as I can, turns before I've won, say 'checkmate is innevitable' and my opponent can easily just give up at that point. In fact that's how many games of chess end (without the verbal exchange).
Now in Schneizel's case I'm playing myself into a checkmate scenario where the king is being attacked and should be taken next turn. The opponent, however, does not have to take the king. The game technically ends at that point, as it is mate on the king, but the opponent still has to make his move as the mate did not occur on his turn and the 'loser' did not knock over his king. As such the king may be left alive and left in check, but not mate. Which is what happened.
Also, Schneizel cannot/should not call check on Lelouch as his move is illegal. You cannot illegally, and with blatant intent check a king. There is to note that one must call the more important first, in this case, the checkmate on Schneizel. He calls himself on the checkmate, and not Lelouch on the check on the king.
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