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2013-03-14, 17:30 | Link #4662 |
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So this still comes down to the idea on whether the tank crew of the Panzer III was in danger or not.
It is clear that Miho thought they were in danger (and Yukari agrees with her, but that isn't unusual). I can't tell if it is a quirk of the translation, but Shiho's statement after the battle about sacrifices are needed for a great victory, suggests those girls were in danger. Erika's statements don't provide any clue as to what happened as far as I can tell. She thinks poorly of Miho and her style of things, but never really provides anyting useful in terms of information. Maho doesn't say anything at all on the matter. So all we have is some brief flashbacks, Yukari telling the story, and one of the girls Miho rescued thanking her for it in episode 10. Those flashbacks do include Miho swimming underwater (which was the basis for early thoughs that she was in that tank and had PTSD from it, but those were put down). We see the tank sinking vertically with a corner of the tank in the air as Miho is coming down the cliff face. We know the trailing Panzer started moving almost immediately to cover the flag tank. It just did not arrive in time. This suggests that there was little Miho could do in her tank to gain victory anyway. The best they might have done is backup after the trailing tank got around them, or knock out the Pravda tank with the 88mm cannon (which the gunner is suppose to handle anyway reguardless if the commander is there or not). How long for the trailing tank to get in front of the flag Tiger? Ten seconds? Any other analysis on the situation as we can see it?
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I know...lets send someone to try it. Escaping a Panzer III sinking in a river. The myth would be that one can't get out I suppose and someone would prove one way or another?
It would help to quell the varied notions of if said tank crew could escape, or would require help. Or could even get help at all. Assuing the crew is conscious anyway.
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2013-03-14, 17:45 | Link #4668 |
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They had breathing apparatuses. And they knew they were going to be underwater, so they trained for it.
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2013-03-14, 18:04 | Link #4671 |
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It would seem that the episode is set to release in not more than four days, raising my curiosity to hear from everyone as to what would constitute as a reasonable ending (with respect to both the outcome of the battle between Black Forest and Ooarai).
From a personal standpoint, I believe that the numerical and mechanical advantages that Black Forest possesses might not make the outcome a foregone conclusion: this match clearly exhibits characteristics from asymmetrical. If Miho is able to adapt guerrilla tactics, Ooarai would be able to level out the playing field to some extent. Thus, the outcome would now be dependent on the respective teams' commander to assess appropriate response. From the looks of it, Maho is most at home with symmetrical warfare. Recalling the difficulties encountered by traditional armies against guerrillas, I anticipate a fair fight that will be close. Ergo, I do not particularly believe that specifics behind that last battle will have any bearing on the outcome of this upcoming showdown, as it was an expository element to explain why Miho transferred to Ooarai.
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2013-03-14, 19:47 | Link #4673 | |
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I would like to preface all of this by stating that I am not atempting to be confrontational with anyone. However, it seems that I am not very good at portraying my tone through my posts themselves, so they sometimes sound harsher than I intend them. This is me trying to approach this whole issue from a somewhat different angle than we mostly seem to have been discussing so far. I am not trying to attack anyone.
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Likewise, those same clues, especially the girl from the rescued crew coming to thank Miho in episode 10, let us know that the creators of the series intend for us to believe that Miho's actions were indeed necessary, effective, and successful. That she did in fact "rescue" them from a situation they were unable to escape from by themselves, and that her efforts to do so were not wasted. Some of you may insist on apply other reasoning to it, and decide on your own that the writers are wrong. However, these are messages the series is trying to convey to us, so when you try to argue against them, you will find yourselves facing opposition. This is simply because the writers have done their jobs. By the same token, ignoring the logical reasons people dislike Shiho (because those have been argued plenty of times), there are meta ones as well. Shiho has been deliberately written in a fashion to make viewers dislike her. She was introduced being extremely cold and antagonistic towards a character that we are supposed to like and sympathize with. Soon thereafter she chose to disown that same character for what she perceived as an offense without attempting to gain any understanding of the situation. None of her appearances have shown her to be any more sympathetic since, and in fact one has even brought in to question her skill at senshado; the one thing she's supposed to be good at; as Maho had to explain to her the nature of the tactics behind Miho's victory over Pravda. Her representation in the Little Army manga seems to be even more damning. Leaving entirely aside whether or not she believes people should be allowed to die in order to win a senshado match, she has been deliberately written to make people not like her. The writers intend for people to dislike her. So people are going to speak out agianst her. It will happen. It's supposed to happen. And if someone speaks up saying they support her, we're going to get an argument like we have.
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Both sides' arguments are based on their own assumptions that there was/wasn't a life-or-death situation.
As I mentioned before, for me anyway, unless we can get concrete proof otherwise from the material itself, the anime gives nothing but the belief that the crew were in a life-or-death situation that warranted some kind of rescue attempt and, so far, nothing was shown to the contrary nor did any of the creators/writers say anything (that I'm aware of) differently.
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Also, notably, the writing has had Miho/the main characters win over all of their opponents, ranging from their competition (which, aside from the running joke of Anchovy, have treated Ooarai with respect both before and after, or at least after (Katyusha) their matches) to secondary challenges such as Hana's mother. Even Maho doesn't seem to hate her sister at heart. This leaves the question of Shiho and the old style (with Maho as a proxy for the moment), versus, well, The Main Characters. On another note, Crunchyroll announced that they would be airing the final two episodes together on March 28, which is an astoundingly long delay for those of us who aren't using the wink-wink-nudge-nudge method of viewing the series, particularly for Episode 11. Once again, the contractual obligations of the US stream bemuse me. |
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Also, I don't mind the delay. It'll give me some time to get my thoughts together, because I have a lot I want to say when the time comes for final reviews. |
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