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ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2012-06-15, 09:21

The dynamic between Laxus Ivan and Makarov was shown back during laxus's rebellion. And how does it humanize him at all

Qilin · 2012-06-15, 09:40

^ And? Just because it was shown a bit earlier doesn't mean that it can't be developed further in a later chapter. That's what this chapter did. It revealed Ivan's goals and his resentment towards his own father much better than any other chapter that has been released so far.

So yes. I'd say this chapter does humanize his character quite a bit, as opposed to being some brooding villain in the background.

Randrak42 · 2012-06-15, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Qilin

^ And? Just because it was shown a bit earlier doesn't mean that it can't be developed further in a later chapter. That's what this chapter did. It revealed Ivan's goals and his resentment towards his own father much better than any other chapter that has been released so far.

So yes. I'd say this chapter does humanize his character quite a bit, as opposed to being some brooding villain in the background.

"Daddy didn't love me enough...so I'm pulling a tantrum!"

Krono · 2012-06-15, 10:21

I think the most interesting theory I've seen proposed thus far (on another forum) is that when Ivan was blasting all those shikigami men at Laxus, he planted one on Laxus to eavesdrop. That his goal this fight was more to create a situation in which Makarov would trust Laxus more, and that Laxus would doubt Makarov and inquire further about Lumen Histoire. So that when Makarov revealed it's location to Laxus, Ivan would learn as well.

Qilin · 2012-06-15, 10:22

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Originally Posted by Randrak42

"Daddy didn't love me enough...so I'm pulling a tantrum!"

We're not even sure if that's the case. Hell, I don't remember reading anything that implies that. And even if that was the case, it still undoubtedly puts the relationship between the characters in proper perspective.

Randrak42 · 2012-06-15, 10:27

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Originally Posted by Qilin

We're not even sure if that's the case. Hell, I don't remember reading anything that implies that. And even if that was the case, it still undoubtedly puts the relationship between the characters in proper perspective.

That...was a joke :I

Qilin · 2012-06-15, 10:29

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Originally Posted by Randrak42

That...was a joke :I

Yeesh. Internet...

Pardon my misconduct.

Randrak42 · 2012-06-15, 10:32

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Originally Posted by Qilin

Yeesh. Internet...

Pardon my misconduct.

The internet still loves you.

immblueversion · 2012-06-15, 10:39

That chapter was way too satisfying for something so quick. Yet I seriously doubt we've seen the last of them. After all, what was their motivation to get Lumen Histoire? What was the deal with Flare's obsession with Lucy, beyond perhaps inadvertently giving Fairy Tail more reason to think they're after Lucy? And that imp that was with Obra...this might be a guess, but something tells me that thing might be the real Obra, and the rest of his body was some kind of puppet.

Anyway, Wendy vs. Shelia was to be expected. I'm very interested to see what Shelia can do, especially since Mavis is.

And yes, I read the raws that are available. Raven Tail is most definitely the one disqualified.

SoloPanda · 2012-06-15, 10:44

They tripped ..... anyway I think RT is gonna be back. I'm hopeing they join forces with the Guards and the FT members get to fight them one on one again.
That being said i thought Sherry's entire family was killed by Deliora ... Mabey that girl isn't real.

DarkSkiper · 2012-06-15, 10:54

You know what?
No one can say that Laxus defeated Raven Tail without a scratch.... He did received two paper cuts from Ivan

.
So now the only hidden badass is Bunny... The bunny guy will take on all the other teams in day 4 event and win! You will all see the power of Bunny!!!
But I start to think that it will be Wizard Saint and hopefully the strongest one... no way a weaker Wizard Saint could be a match for Jura or Laxus...
The other reason I want for the Bunny guy to be a Wizard Saint is so that we know more of their members and since the self-proclaimed weakest member is now at Gildarts level, the strongest one is really something to look foreword to

.

Randrak42 · 2012-06-15, 11:00

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Originally Posted by DarkSkiper

You know what?
No one can say that Laxus defeated Raven Tail without a scratch.... He did received two paper cuts from Ivan

.
So now the only hidden badass is Bunny... The bunny guy will take on all the other teams in day 4 event and win! You will all see the power of Bunny!!!
But I start to think that it will be Wizard Saint and hopefully the strongest one... no way a weaker Wizard Saint could be a match for Jura or Laxus...
The other reason I want for the Bunny guy to be a Wizard Saint is so that we know more of their members and since the self-proclaimed weakest member is now at Gildarts level, the strongest one is really something to look foreword to

.

The strongest is probably at around Makarov's level in his prime.

SoloPanda · 2012-06-15, 11:04

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Originally Posted by Randrak42

The strongest is probably at around Makarov's level in his prime.

I wonder if Makarov is still a wizard saint or if they put him on the deceased list and replaced him.

Slayerx · 2012-06-15, 11:05

Well that was rather pathetic; really, Ivan supposedly knew laxus's weakness and yet he did nothing that seemed to exploit a weakness; unless he was talking about Obra in which case i would say "no duh. Taking away a mage's magic power is a weakness for almost anyone; Phantom Lord pulled that stunt AGES ago"; anti-fairy-tail guild my ass. worst; antagonists. ever.

No really this annoys me. Was this really what we were building up to for all these years? Ivan and Raven Tail may not have been related to the main plot of this series, but they did have significant build up as antagonists. But it doesn't seem to really go all that far... The simple fact that Ivan is related to makarov AND is a villian implies that he would be something of a big deal... Hell we were once told they were gonna go after laxus to use the source of his power to fund the build up of raven tail and it never happened. Gajeel acted as a double agent and yet nothing ever went wrong with his mission. And now... Raven tail has lost ALL credibility as a powerful enemy by loosing to Laxus. The ONLY thing that came of all this was the reveal that fairy tail has some deep dark secret, but frankly, that wasn't worth this amount of false build up; hints to fairy tail's secret could have instead been given to us by Hades and we could have saved ourselves a whole lot of time. Even Obra's little imp, if its supposed to lead to something else could have been worked in differently such as being part of Grimore Heart instead of Raven tail.

Frankly, like the time skip, i feel like this was one of the things that Mashima did not really plan on... He had bigger plans for Raven tail, like they were meant to get their own arc, but for one reason or another mashima had to scrap those plans... their role here in the magic games was really just so he could quickly wrap them up so he didn't have a hanging plot thread... really from the very beginning it felt like Raven tail was being shoe-horned into this current arc and that's how it still feels.

SoloPanda · 2012-06-15, 11:08

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Originally Posted by Slayerx

Well that was rather pathetic; really, Ivan supposedly knew laxus's weakness and yet he did nothing that seemed to exploit a weakness; unless he was talking about Obra in which case i would say "no duh. Taking away a mage's magic power is a weakness for almost anyone; Phantom Lord pulled that stunt AGES ago"; anti-fairy-tail guild my ass. worst; antagonists. ever.

No really this annoys me. Was this really what we were building up to for all these years? Ivan and Raven Tail may not have been related to the main plot of this series, but they did have significant build up as antagonists. But it doesn't seem to really go all that far... The simple fact that Ivan is related to makarov AND is a villian implies that he would be something of a big deal... Hell we were once told they were gonna go after laxus to use the source of his power to fund the build up of raven tail and it never happened. Gajeel acted as a double agent and yet nothing ever went wrong with his mission. And now... Raven tail has lost ALL credibility as a powerful enemy by loosing to Laxus. The ONLY thing that came of all this was the reveal that fairy tail has some deep dark secret, but frankly, that wasn't worth this amount of false build up; hints to fairy tail's secret could have instead been given to us by Hades and we could have saved ourselves a whole lot of time. Even Obra's little imp, if its supposed to lead to something else could have been worked in differently such as being part of Grimore Heart instead of Raven tail.

Frankly, like the time skip, i feel like this was one of the things that Mashima did not really plan on... He had bigger plans for Raven tail, like they were meant to get their own arc, but for one reason or another mashima had to scrap those plans... their role here in the magic games was really just so he could quickly wrap them up so he didn't have a hanging plot thread... really from the very beginning it felt like Raven tail was being shoe-horned into this current arc and that's how it still feels.

The arc isn't even over, they may still be in it and heck as crafty as they seem getting disqualified and captured could have been part of the plan... while the story is still going on you can't really say they didn't amount to anything.

Bombo · 2012-06-15, 11:13

Oi Oi ..Our loli fairy tail making scary face after she saw Ivan.!
Maybe for the dark history for the guild?

Randrak42 · 2012-06-15, 11:16

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Originally Posted by Slayerx

Well that was rather pathetic; really, Ivan supposedly knew laxus's weakness and yet he did nothing that seemed to exploit a weakness; unless he was talking about Obra in which case i would say "no duh. Taking away a mage's magic power is a weakness for almost anyone; Phantom Lord pulled that stunt AGES ago"; anti-fairy-tail guild my ass. worst; antagonists. ever.

No really this annoys me. Was this really what we were building up to for all these years? Ivan and Raven Tail may not have been related to the main plot of this series, but they did have significant build up as antagonists. But it doesn't seem to really go all that far... The simple fact that Ivan is related to makarov AND is a villian implies that he would be something of a big deal... Hell we were once told they were gonna go after laxus to use the source of his power to fund the build up of raven tail and it never happened. Gajeel acted as a double agent and yet nothing ever went wrong with his mission. And now... Raven tail has lost ALL credibility as a powerful enemy by loosing to Laxus. The ONLY thing that came of all this was the reveal that fairy tail has some deep dark secret, but frankly, that wasn't worth this amount of false build up; hints to fairy tail's secret could have instead been given to us by Hades and we could have saved ourselves a whole lot of time. Even Obra's little imp, if its supposed to lead to something else could have been worked in differently such as being part of Grimore Heart instead of Raven tail.

Frankly, like the time skip, i feel like this was one of the things that Mashima did not really plan on... He had bigger plans for Raven tail, like they were meant to get their own arc, but for one reason or another mashima had to scrap those plans... their role here in the magic games was really just so he could quickly wrap them up so he didn't have a hanging plot thread... really from the very beginning it felt like Raven tail was being shoe-horned into this current arc and that's how it still feels.

Actually I like the theory that Raven Tail lost on purpose to both implant doubt into Laxus and allow Makarov to trust him enough to tell him what Ivan wants to know and that Ivan somehow implanted a "bug" on Laxus. If this turns out to be true, the loss is explained it actually turns out that Raven Tail isn't just muscle but also brain.

But yes, as it stands, while Laxus beating someone down like a boss was pretty awesome, Raven Tail was severely misused.

Meltyred · 2012-06-15, 11:20

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Originally Posted by SoloPanda

The arc isn't even over, they may still be in it and heck as crafty as they seem getting disqualified and captured could have been part of the plan... while the story is still going on you can't really say they didn't amount to anything.

Probably the guy who jumped away from Obra is one person sent to manipulate Raven tail into doing all of this.
And Laxus made short work of everything this chapter, being so heavily melee based and moving so fast...

orangejuicetang · 2012-06-15, 11:37

Anybody else notice the look Orca gave Laxus after the illusion got lifted. Somewhat mirrors the look Laxus gave Orca after he fired his lightning at the MPF. Really seems to be hinting towards a clash between the two.

Nvis · 2012-06-15, 11:43

Wait, why did the translations say that Fairy Tail B is disqualified????

Or was that a mistranslation?

I totally did not expect Laxus to 1-hit KO each RT member like that! What a power boost!

2012-06-15, 09:40	Link #8702
Qilin Romanticist Join Date: Aug 2009 Age: 33	^ And? Just because it was shown a bit earlier doesn't mean that it can't be developed further in a later chapter. That's what this chapter did. It revealed Ivan's goals and his resentment towards his own father much better than any other chapter that has been released so far. So yes. I'd say this chapter does humanize his character quite a bit, as opposed to being some brooding villain in the background. __________________ "There’s an up higher than up, but at the very top, down is all there is."

2012-06-15, 10:39	Link #8709
immblueversion Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Where you're not.	That chapter was way too satisfying for something so quick. Yet I seriously doubt we've seen the last of them. After all, what was their motivation to get Lumen Histoire? What was the deal with Flare's obsession with Lucy, beyond perhaps inadvertently giving Fairy Tail more reason to think they're after Lucy? And that imp that was with Obra...this might be a guess, but something tells me that thing might be the real Obra, and the rest of his body was some kind of puppet. Anyway, Wendy vs. Shelia was to be expected. I'm very interested to see what Shelia can do, especially since Mavis is. And yes, I read the raws that are available. Raven Tail is most definitely the one disqualified. __________________ I'm not the boss. I just know what you should be doing.

2012-06-15, 11:05	Link #8714
Slayerx Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Well that was rather pathetic; really, Ivan supposedly knew laxus's weakness and yet he did nothing that seemed to exploit a weakness; unless he was talking about Obra in which case i would say "no duh. Taking away a mage's magic power is a weakness for almost anyone; Phantom Lord pulled that stunt AGES ago"; anti-fairy-tail guild my ass. worst; antagonists. ever. No really this annoys me. Was this really what we were building up to for all these years? Ivan and Raven Tail may not have been related to the main plot of this series, but they did have significant build up as antagonists. But it doesn't seem to really go all that far... The simple fact that Ivan is related to makarov AND is a villian implies that he would be something of a big deal... Hell we were once told they were gonna go after laxus to use the source of his power to fund the build up of raven tail and it never happened. Gajeel acted as a double agent and yet nothing ever went wrong with his mission. And now... Raven tail has lost ALL credibility as a powerful enemy by loosing to Laxus. The ONLY thing that came of all this was the reveal that fairy tail has some deep dark secret, but frankly, that wasn't worth this amount of false build up; hints to fairy tail's secret could have instead been given to us by Hades and we could have saved ourselves a whole lot of time. Even Obra's little imp, if its supposed to lead to something else could have been worked in differently such as being part of Grimore Heart instead of Raven tail. Frankly, like the time skip, i feel like this was one of the things that Mashima did not really plan on... He had bigger plans for Raven tail, like they were meant to get their own arc, but for one reason or another mashima had to scrap those plans... their role here in the magic games was really just so he could quickly wrap them up so he didn't have a hanging plot thread... really from the very beginning it felt like Raven tail was being shoe-horned into this current arc and that's how it still feels. __________________ My Deviantart

2012-06-15, 11:37	Link #8719
orangejuicetang Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 32	Anybody else notice the look Orca gave Laxus after the illusion got lifted. Somewhat mirrors the look Laxus gave Orca after he fired his lightning at the MPF. Really seems to be hinting towards a clash between the two. __________________ WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN If a corrupt court will not behead an evil king, than the watchman should do it himself.

2012-06-15, 09:21	Link #8701
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	The dynamic between Laxus Ivan and Makarov was shown back during laxus's rebellion. And how does it humanize him at all

2012-06-15, 10:21	Link #8704
Krono Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009	I think the most interesting theory I've seen proposed thus far (on another forum) is that when Ivan was blasting all those shikigami men at Laxus, he planted one on Laxus to eavesdrop. That his goal this fight was more to create a situation in which Makarov would trust Laxus more, and that Laxus would doubt Makarov and inquire further about Lumen Histoire. So that when Makarov revealed it's location to Laxus, Ivan would learn as well.

2012-06-15, 10:44	Link #8710
SoloPanda Not A Loli-con.... Join Date: May 2011 Location: Beyond the looking glass	They tripped ..... anyway I think RT is gonna be back. I'm hopeing they join forces with the Guards and the FT members get to fight them one on one again. That being said i thought Sherry's entire family was killed by Deliora ... Mabey that girl isn't real.

2012-06-15, 10:54	Link #8711
DarkSkiper Evil Mage Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: There...no, not there.Yes, there! Age: 32	You know what? No one can say that Laxus defeated Raven Tail without a scratch.... He did received two paper cuts from Ivan . So now the only hidden badass is Bunny... The bunny guy will take on all the other teams in day 4 event and win! You will all see the power of Bunny!!! But I start to think that it will be Wizard Saint and hopefully the strongest one... no way a weaker Wizard Saint could be a match for Jura or Laxus... The other reason I want for the Bunny guy to be a Wizard Saint is so that we know more of their members and since the self-proclaimed weakest member is now at Gildarts level, the strongest one is really something to look foreword to .

2012-06-15, 11:13	Link #8716
Bombo TSF Fans Join Date: Sep 2008	Oi Oi ..Our loli fairy tail making scary face after she saw Ivan.! Maybe for the dark history for the guild?

2012-06-15, 11:43	Link #8720
Nvis Where are the good animes Join Date: Dec 2003	Wait, why did the translations say that Fairy Tail B is disqualified???? Or was that a mistranslation? I totally did not expect Laxus to 1-hit KO each RT member like that! What a power boost!