2004-09-15, 16:43 | Link #1 |
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Kakashi and Sharingan Genjutsu?
In the episodes when he first faced Zabuza and used Sharingan, did Kakashi use some sort of Sharingan Genjutsu, or was Zabuza's mind playing tricks on him (specifically when Zabuza saw a bunshin of himself behind Kakashi)?
Far as I know, only Mange Sharingan is capable of casting genjustu, but Zabuza seems to think that Kakashi's sharingan somehow hypnotized him. It's possible for this to occur, but as far as I knew, only mange sharingan could, so i assumed that Zabuza didn't know the nature/limitations of Kakashi's Sharingan. Also, at one point, Kakashis Tomoes were all spinning round his pupil. Was this actually happening, or did Zabuza just see that? As far as i've seen, other Sharingan's don't spin, and this was the only time that Kakashi's did. |
2004-09-15, 16:47 | Link #3 |
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hmm....
Healthy curiosity is all...I think that zabuza imagined it. With kakashi following his seals, I don't think he would've had time to do bunshin AND transform jutsu and still keep up enough to complete the jutsu along with zabuza.
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2004-09-15, 17:04 | Link #7 |
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Kakashi did use a Genjutsu using the Sharingan against Zabuza, it's clearly explained during their second fight, he did that to force Zabuza to use a jutsu that Kakashi already knew to make him believe that he could see the future and screw up his mind.
The Mangekyou Sharingan allows to use special jutsu even more powerful than that but a regular Sharingan can also cast weaker Genjutsu. This why Gai has to find a way to fight without looking at the eyes to compete against Kakashi. |
2004-09-18, 22:41 | Link #10 | |
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Basically the attacker seems to move slower for the Sharingan user and the "path" the attack is about to take is visible to the Sharingan user. Secondly it copies seals, not much to say here. It must copy some of the chakra flow needed for that particular nin/genjutsu but cannot see chakra as clearly as the Byakugan. And last but not least, It has hypnotic abilites. The mangekyou Sharingan destroys the brain of the victim by making him go trough a terrible event in wich the Sharingan user controls time and space. Actually...the Sharingan has a an additional attack, Itachi uses the Tsukiyoma to escape from Jirayas Rock Frog Mounth, but since we know little about this attack We can't really catagorize it.
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It is the genjutsu Tsukuyomi performed with the Mangekyou Sharingan which "destroys" an opponent's mind. The black flame technique which Itachi used to burn through the Rock Toad's Mouth is called Amaterasu, not Tsukuyomi. |
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2004-09-19, 16:30 | Link #15 | |
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"Wow... To take that jutsu (referring to Tsukuyomi) and not have his (Kakashi's) mind destroyed..." It is the actual genjutsu Tsukuyomi which "destroys" the mind, the utilization of the Mangekyou Sharingan just allows the user to perform/control the technique. The entire illusion was the result of Tsukuyomi, because Kakashi was foolish enough look into Itachi's Sharingan. |
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2004-09-19, 20:14 | Link #17 |
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...to all the people that said that Kakashi simply did a Kage Bunshin, or if Zabuza imagined it...wow. Seriously.
It's common knowledge that the Sharingan can cast genjutsu. That's why it does make sense that the Mangekyo Sharingan can cast an "ultimate" form of that genjutsu. None of the things Zabuza saw were fake... Why try to make up random bullshit, when the facts are explained right there? Two more things... The basis of the Sharingan's prediction isn't being able to see the person moving slower, per se, it's just an enhanced sense of awareness, and the basis of copying jutsu obviously isn't simply copying the seals, since then anyone would be able to "copy" jutsu. |
2004-09-19, 20:25 | Link #18 | |
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But that doesn't mean that the Mangekyou alone can't cause some serious psychological damage. I mean, how lond do you think Sasuke could've standed seeing his parents killed again and again? Itachi doesn't have to use Tsuki-Yomi to cause damage. He has to use it against Kakashi because Kakashi would've been resistant to other less powerful genjutsu attacks thanks to his Sharingan. |
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I think you're somewhat lost in the different term VMLM3
The Tsukiyomi is the name of the jutsu, the Mangekyou Sharingan is the name of the state of the Sharingan needed to use such jutsu and it's Itachi who hypnotizes the people. I don't understand your point about Sasuke : Itachi did used the Tsukiyomi against him. Now indeed the Tsukiyomi isn't the only Genjutsu that a Sharingan or worse a Mangekyou Sharingan user could use but probably the most powerful one. |
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