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Ithekro · 2017-07-01, 01:03

A question: Due to what we know about Yamato from Yamato 2199, and the details we are getting about Andromeda and Dreadnought from the model kits....does the Earth fleet seem a bit...overpowered? At least in the missiles category?

macdawson · 2017-07-01, 04:37

They've been in construction for nearly 30 years so...

August138 · 2017-07-01, 19:54

Reposted from Makoto Kobayashi's Twitter feed: The coloring chart for Kato's Cosmo Tiger II Booster Rocket:

Ithekro · 2017-07-01, 20:08

That is a lot of booster. Thought to get from the Moon to Jupiter is quite far no matter where in the orbits the planets are. Wonder if it can warp?

On the other hand, an Iscandarian ship was able to travel from Neptune to Mars in ten minutes, which is roughly 25 times the speed of light. So maybe Earth has that tech too?

skaianDestiny · 2017-07-02, 02:41

I'm not sure which is better, "Beware of Thurst" or "Beware of Thurast"

Seems Kobayashi has little idea how to spell "thrust".

Ithekro · 2017-07-03, 01:37

The English speakers and writers catch it for him later. I seem to remember an "ALART" display from one of the trailers that was fixed by the time the episode came out.

Same with the Earth Federation Fragship Blue Noah from the Resurrection film, getting corrected in time.

TZoli · 2017-07-03, 12:17

I'm rewatching Yamato 2199 and discover more and more things.

Gamilas has some kind of shield technology from the beginning:
The satellites around Pluto which was used by the Deflecting Satellite Cannon used small energy shield like things to deflect the beam and not the actual mirror like inner surfaces.
When Domel arrived at Balun just before Flaken attacked Yamato the first time, his Zoelgut class battleship went through what looked like a shield with the same purplish colour than the Satellites used near Pluto.
Also Flaken seems to be based on Harlock and Domel's wife Elisa based on Maetel from Galaxy Express 999

skaianDestiny · 2017-07-03, 15:13

That's Migobueza Coating, from the same word they use for their reflection satellites, migobuela.

Ithekro · 2017-07-03, 19:24

They know about wave motion shielding as even an infultrator recognized it when the shielding came on inside the wave motion core room.

August138 · 2017-07-04, 07:00

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Originally Posted by TZoli

I'm rewatching Yamato 2199 and discover more and more things... When Domel arrived at Balun just before Flaken attacked Yamato the first time, his Zoelgut class battleship went through what looked like a shield with the same purplish colour than the Satellites used near Pluto.

That was keeping the atmosphere in at the Balun outpost.

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Originally Posted by TZoli

Also Flaken seems to be based on Harlock...

Fraken/Flaken originally appeared in YAMATO III and was of Galman origin.

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

They know about wave motion shielding as even an infultrator recognized it when the shielding came on inside the wave motion core room.

I don't think anyone here should criticize minor misspellings by the Japanese, since 99% of those posting here can't comprehend written or spoken Japanese. And also you misspelled "infiltrator" as "infultrator". We all make mistakes, after all.

TZoli · 2017-07-04, 15:45

I think you guys you need to see this!
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust....st_id=63628380

Except for one very Gamilas type variant which is quite funny they are actually nice variants!

While this carrier variant still looks better than the actual one though lacks the main weaponry:
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust....st_id=63649026

And Space Battleship Musashi with Wave Motion Gunboats Fujin and Raijin:
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust....st_id=63071438

TZoli · 2017-07-04, 16:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by August138

Fraken/Flaken originally appeared in YAMATO III and was of Galman origin.

I know, but how he was shown in 2199 he reminded me of Harlock

August138 · 2017-07-04, 16:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by TZoli

I know, but how he was shown in 2199 he reminded me of Harlock

May Harlock's Flag of Freedom keep flying...

skaianDestiny · 2017-07-05, 02:00

https://twitter.com/makomako713/stat...43348459405312

Cosmo Tiger I without armaments.

Images

Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

Kobayashi also mentioned seeing a prototype of the 1/72 Cosmo Tiger I, so we may be seeing that in the future.
https://twitter.com/makomako713/stat...44108991680512

Ithekro · 2017-07-05, 02:31

Also seen on there, someone is building a fleet of 1/1000 scale Dreadnoughts!

The fighter has a problem that US fighters had in the early 1960s....no onboard guns. Totally reliant on its added armaments.

How is it suppose to lands though? Do the lower fins fold up enough to be fitted where Yamato use to store the Cosmo Zeros?

In game terms I am still working on the Cosmo Tiger I Prototype. As we see it normally armed, I rate it as having something like four times the munitions (each of the 24 weapons has 24 sub munitions) as the Gamilas Snuka in guided munitions, plus a set of attack missiles in the rocket pods. The pair of cannons though....I am wavering between treating them like two of the Cosmo Zero's nose cannons, or as an alternative a light shock cannon that can be fired every turn, or one "barrel" at a time for half damage. This is why I want to see how big this fighter and her guns are next to some of the Earth warships. I half suspect those are some really big guns, at least equal to those on say an Isokaze. Maybe even a Marusame. Meaning the barrels might be as long as a destroyer or frigate's guns, and the old Earth 2201 Fleet destroyers used twin turrets as one light shock cannon battery.

Either way...she is over powered. But if she is a one of, that makes it viable. You won't find squadrons of these running around. The Cosmo Pulsar, by comparison, would be half as well armed and only get the bigger stuff if they strap of the big add on packs (like the pair of ship killer torpedoes, or those same guns, since that was an option shown in the Hyperweapon 2009 magazine), but could still dogfight normally. The Cosmo Tiger I is not a "good" dogfighter in the traditional sense due to its reliance on its add on weapons. Though with an expert pilot like Yamamoto, that's not a problem.

The earlier image sets on pixiv....not sure about the Andromeda variations. The full length carrier version with something resembling the Apollo's launch tubes seems the most practical use of the hull space if one doesn't make a massive tower hanger structure. But the Musashi with gunboats is interesting, if a bit overboard.

macdawson · 2017-07-05, 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ithekro

How is it suppose to lands though? Do the lower fins fold up enough to be fitted where Yamato use to store the Cosmo Zeros?

I assume you mean the Cosmo Tiger I. We don't actually see it land but it's stored in Yamato's Hangar 3, along with Keyman's custom white Czvarke.

TZoli · 2017-07-05, 12:42

Well this is an old model of the Cosmo Tiger (actually Tiger II)
but you can see the doors where the wheels are stored:

Images

And the new ones too have landing gears

Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

Ithekro · 2017-07-05, 17:21

The Tiger I prototype is what I am asking about. The Cosmo Tiger II is more or less like a modern fighter in style. But the Tiger I prototype? It has a huge fin/wing section under the main body.

skaianDestiny · 2017-07-06, 00:16

Ithekro, here's an Isokaze and the Cosmo Tiger I to scale, along with the Kripitera's rear 133mm turret.

Ithekro · 2017-07-06, 00:35

That's about what I thought...destroyer gun sized weapons. (thank you) I had been looking at historical large guns on planes and realized that these two guns were larger than most of the planes those kinds of guns has been mounted too during World War II.

Basically you could strip those into a twin turret mounting and have a basically an EDF Gearing turret.

2017-07-01, 01:03	Link #821
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	A question: Due to what we know about Yamato from Yamato 2199, and the details we are getting about Andromeda and Dreadnought from the model kits....does the Earth fleet seem a bit...overpowered? At least in the missiles category? __________________

2017-07-01, 04:37	Link #822
macdawson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	They've been in construction for nearly 30 years so... __________________

2017-07-01, 19:54	Link #823
August138 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: San Francisco, California	Reposted from Makoto Kobayashi's Twitter feed: The coloring chart for Kato's Cosmo Tiger II Booster Rocket: __________________ August Ragone "The Good, The Bad, and Godzilla"

2017-07-01, 20:08	Link #824
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	That is a lot of booster. Thought to get from the Moon to Jupiter is quite far no matter where in the orbits the planets are. Wonder if it can warp? On the other hand, an Iscandarian ship was able to travel from Neptune to Mars in ten minutes, which is roughly 25 times the speed of light. So maybe Earth has that tech too? __________________ Last edited by Ithekro; 2017-07-02 at 00:54.

2017-07-03, 01:37	Link #826
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	The English speakers and writers catch it for him later. I seem to remember an "ALART" display from one of the trailers that was fixed by the time the episode came out. Same with the Earth Federation Fragship Blue Noah from the Resurrection film, getting corrected in time. __________________

2017-07-02, 02:41	Link #825
skaianDestiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	I'm not sure which is better, "Beware of Thurst" or "Beware of Thurast" Seems Kobayashi has little idea how to spell "thrust".

2017-07-03, 12:17	Link #827
TZoli Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Hajdúszoboszló, Hungary	I'm rewatching Yamato 2199 and discover more and more things. Gamilas has some kind of shield technology from the beginning: The satellites around Pluto which was used by the Deflecting Satellite Cannon used small energy shield like things to deflect the beam and not the actual mirror like inner surfaces. When Domel arrived at Balun just before Flaken attacked Yamato the first time, his Zoelgut class battleship went through what looked like a shield with the same purplish colour than the Satellites used near Pluto. Also Flaken seems to be based on Harlock and Domel's wife Elisa based on Maetel from Galaxy Express 999

2017-07-03, 15:13	Link #828
skaianDestiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	That's Migobueza Coating, from the same word they use for their reflection satellites, migobuela.

2017-07-03, 19:24	Link #829
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	They know about wave motion shielding as even an infultrator recognized it when the shielding came on inside the wave motion core room. __________________

2017-07-04, 15:45	Link #831
TZoli Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Hajdúszoboszló, Hungary	I think you guys you need to see this! https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust....st_id=63628380 Except for one very Gamilas type variant which is quite funny they are actually nice variants! While this carrier variant still looks better than the actual one though lacks the main weaponry: https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust....st_id=63649026 And Space Battleship Musashi with Wave Motion Gunboats Fujin and Raijin: https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust....st_id=63071438 Last edited by TZoli; 2017-07-04 at 15:56.

2017-07-05, 02:00	Link #834
skaianDestiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	https://twitter.com/makomako713/stat...43348459405312 Cosmo Tiger I without armaments. Images Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Kobayashi also mentioned seeing a prototype of the 1/72 Cosmo Tiger I, so we may be seeing that in the future. https://twitter.com/makomako713/stat...44108991680512

2017-07-05, 02:31	Link #835
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Also seen on there, someone is building a fleet of 1/1000 scale Dreadnoughts! The fighter has a problem that US fighters had in the early 1960s....no onboard guns. Totally reliant on its added armaments. How is it suppose to lands though? Do the lower fins fold up enough to be fitted where Yamato use to store the Cosmo Zeros? In game terms I am still working on the Cosmo Tiger I Prototype. As we see it normally armed, I rate it as having something like four times the munitions (each of the 24 weapons has 24 sub munitions) as the Gamilas Snuka in guided munitions, plus a set of attack missiles in the rocket pods. The pair of cannons though....I am wavering between treating them like two of the Cosmo Zero's nose cannons, or as an alternative a light shock cannon that can be fired every turn, or one "barrel" at a time for half damage. This is why I want to see how big this fighter and her guns are next to some of the Earth warships. I half suspect those are some really big guns, at least equal to those on say an Isokaze. Maybe even a Marusame. Meaning the barrels might be as long as a destroyer or frigate's guns, and the old Earth 2201 Fleet destroyers used twin turrets as one light shock cannon battery. Either way...she is over powered. But if she is a one of, that makes it viable. You won't find squadrons of these running around. The Cosmo Pulsar, by comparison, would be half as well armed and only get the bigger stuff if they strap of the big add on packs (like the pair of ship killer torpedoes, or those same guns, since that was an option shown in the Hyperweapon 2009 magazine), but could still dogfight normally. The Cosmo Tiger I is not a "good" dogfighter in the traditional sense due to its reliance on its add on weapons. Though with an expert pilot like Yamamoto, that's not a problem. The earlier image sets on pixiv....not sure about the Andromeda variations. The full length carrier version with something resembling the Apollo's launch tubes seems the most practical use of the hull space if one doesn't make a massive tower hanger structure. But the Musashi with gunboats is interesting, if a bit overboard. __________________

2017-07-05, 12:42	Link #837
TZoli Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Hajdúszoboszló, Hungary	Well this is an old model of the Cosmo Tiger (actually Tiger II) but you can see the doors where the wheels are stored: Images And the new ones too have landing gears Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Last edited by CrowKenobi; 2017-07-05 at 22:51. Reason: Please use either thumbnails or the [images] tag for oversized images.

2017-07-05, 17:21	Link #838
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	The Tiger I prototype is what I am asking about. The Cosmo Tiger II is more or less like a modern fighter in style. But the Tiger I prototype? It has a huge fin/wing section under the main body. __________________

2017-07-06, 00:16	Link #839
skaianDestiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	Ithekro, here's an Isokaze and the Cosmo Tiger I to scale, along with the Kripitera's rear 133mm turret. Last edited by skaianDestiny; 2017-07-06 at 00:28.

2017-07-06, 00:35	Link #840
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	That's about what I thought...destroyer gun sized weapons. (thank you) I had been looking at historical large guns on planes and realized that these two guns were larger than most of the planes those kinds of guns has been mounted too during World War II. Basically you could strip those into a twin turret mounting and have a basically an EDF Gearing turret. __________________