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Ithekro · 2017-10-09, 18:34

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something a friend found

That looks like someone added that for a Star Blazers Fleet Battle System WDF sheet for that ship...using the Online game image of that ship with flames.

As for the ships, that would be an awful lot of ships. A record kill count for Yamato if she gets most of them. This would seem to be a special deployment instance, so what they do with all these ships normally is anyone's guess. But that Gamilas still seems to have thousands of ships everywhere suggests to me that Gamilas has been effective at keeping Zordar's forces away for some time and either this force of battleships is a new thing, or Gamilas has a large number of ships and even larger battleships of their own on various fronts, or just fleets like Dommel's used as spear tips to clear out key enemy forces and keep them from gaining footholds for long anywhere, while keeping Gamilas core regions safe. Unlike Earth, which is now exposed to the White Comet.

But look at how huge that formation is behind Planet 11! Its so big that the only way I can see Yamato taking it out is by blowing up the artificial sun before its fully in position for use....or blowing up Planet 11 and hitting them that way. Yamato would normally go for option one over blowing up a planet. It can be recovered later in time. The only other option would be for the Earth fleet we saw earlier to show up and just wave motion gun the entire thing with extreme prejudice. Unless of cause Yamato's wave motion gun can now do a cone of destruction rather than a tight beam or the starbust style spread effect of Andromeda.

skaianDestiny · 2017-10-09, 20:42

Another thing to keep in mind is that apparently 2 of the generals were shocked at the WMG's firepower, and one of them was the one who advocated for the use of the fleet we see at Planet 11. Seems that they don't care how many ships they have when faced with planet-destroying firepower. And to be honest, I agree. The Calakmuls are definitely fierce opponents, however their special weapon is comparatively short-ranged and in order to do that big beam in episode 6 they had to destroy themselves in the process (and it's implied a significant portion of the fleet will also be destroyed by the Region Cannon). In fact, I'd go as far to say in a straight up fight, the current Earth fleet of 5 Andromedas and 10 Dreadnoughts has fair odds against the Calakmuls. With how they powered up the Dispersion WMG (shooting through a moon is still the best fucking intro to a fleet-killing weapon), Earth's ships not only significantly out range the Calakmuls, but they have the ability to simply erase huge swathes of them with very little lead up time or detriment. And that's pretty scary when in order to replicate that kind of fire power you either need to get up close or sacrifice your own ships.

The Region Cannon seems to be a message saying "we have that kind of firepower too". It also appears that using Wave Motion Energy as a weapon isn't something common/easy to do, since Gamilas needed to do all that research and Gatlantis is apparently seeing it for the first time. Given how they were using Yurisha as a navigation database and Iscandar is the only other race to have used WMGs, I have a feeling they mined Yurisha's brain for part of the information required with Sanada filling in the rest. It's just fan conjecture though.

Ithekro · 2017-10-09, 21:05

I would guess that Gatlantis found a record of what happened at Balun from one of the ships they tested their new Magnaflame gun on during the opening part of Ark of the Stars. All those ships were at Balun.

We know Gamilas has the at least had a working wave motion gun of some kind on Dessler's flagship If it was as powerful as Yamato's isn't fully known, but it did have a great range and could destroy a planet. We don't know if Yamato's gun has a maximum range, though we do know that Andromeda can fire through solid rock the size of a moon to reach a target. Though not its maximum effective range.

This massive mass of ships as a cannon have a range of over 50 AU. Something like seven light-hours distance. Or even twice that given how far out we have detected things in our system so far (V774104 is 103 AUs out while Eris is 96 AUs out) Planet 11 could be anywhere out there up to maybe 15 light-hours out. Even out to maybe even a light year out depending on what qualifies at the edge of our solar system.

EDIT: If I caught AU-09's graphics correctly, Planet 11 is something over 3000 AU out from Earth...that is over two light-weeks away. 17 plus light-days out!

Gamewise, I will probably keep the Calakmuls as I have them, but I will need to amend their long range beam weapon a bit for group firing. One would assume that one of these ships could use its three rings to fire a long ranged single lance beam at an enemy ship without hurting itself. But combined fire to make greater beams? Maybe 25% of the beam's damage is taken by each of the firing ships? Use a few ships and it probably won't do more than cook the defensive screens or singe the armor plating. But more ships? Melt the ship into orbital cinders. Assume a ship could take say 60 points of damage without real problems (shielding or whatever) and on top of that be able to take up to maybe 250 points of damage before it would just fall apart regardless of the crews abilities or luck. Each of these rings can put out between 33 and 60 points of damage, and a ship with three rings could do between 99 and 180 points of damage. But you start combining ships. Even if they are only firing a ring each, that's 66 to 120 points of damage to a target and because of they way they are using it, they would each take 16 to 30 points of damage...which they could take with ease. But with six rings from two ships? 198 to 360 points of damage to the target and 49 to 90 points to each ship, which could start to leave a mark. Six ships, with 18 rings? 594 to 1080 points of damage. There are no ships in the system that can take that much damage that aren't battlestations, or personally operated by men named Zordar. But 25% of that? 148 to 270 points of damage for each ship. While they won't vaporize...they will more than likely explode from critical hits given the game system. And they almost certainly will not be able to fire their weapons again given the damage they will sustain. Any more ships than that and they will almost certainly vaporize.

TZoli · 2017-10-10, 11:55

I would say Yamato will destroy the star when the Gatlantis Killer fleet was about to fire, creating a chain reaction and destroy most if not all the fleet. Though I don't know how would that effect the 11th Planet...

Also it's more than Gigantic:

Though this image reminds me of the Star Trek TOS Super Weapon: The Planet Killer:

macdawson · 2017-10-11, 18:02

According to Analyzer's graphics, the artificial sun's explosion will destroy Planet 11, if we take the graphics literaly. But given Yamato seems to fire from close to the surface and with the sun already purple, as seen at the end of the trailer, this is either before it explodes or the planet managed to survive.

Ithekro · 2017-10-11, 18:27

So many disposable ships....

Even more disposable that the Gamilas regular ships or the normal EDF ships in these series. At least those ships were not trying to get themselves destroyed most of the time, and were just overmatched. These ships are going to just get toasted to fire a single shot at Earth.

Ithekro · 2017-10-12, 16:46

I was working on balance for an all capital ships battle that used carrier based fighters for February and noticed something that made me have need to address the numbers of fighters each fleet could deploy.

I have managed to more or less balance the potential Earth or Gatlantis fleets around 20 ships and 720+ fighters. However, when attempting to do this with the Gamilas fleet I found a problem. The Gamilas do not have a massive fighter carrier (yet). They have three different carriers, with different purposes. One is clearly for planetary assault. The second is the generic carrier with limited weapons, but wide hangers able to carry just about anything. And then you have the battlecarrier, which is heavily armed, and can carry a lot of fighters, but of limited types due to their hanger doors.

Each of the other two factions have 180 or so capacity carriers, while the Gamilas have 60 capacity carriers. While a fleet of 12 battlcarriers would be impressive, it may not be all that practical. And a fleet of the others would be a liability in a battleline.

The Earth gets away with it because all their battleships carry at least a fighter squadron or two, and their new battlecarriers are massively impressive.

Gatlantis gets away with it because their old twin-deck carrier should be scaled out to be huge if it is remotely the same length as the original compared to their battleships. Four of those plus a few Medaruusa are more than adequate for what I have in mind and allow for a heavy battleline.

The Gamilas heavy battleships don't carry fighters. And to equal the Earth or Gatlantis factions, the entire majority of the battleline would need to be carriers or battlecarriers.

How to solve this problem?

Look a bit ahead in the timeline. The Galman-Gamilas Six-Deck Carrier. If scaled out with Yamato compared to their Yamato III appearances...I estimate the huge carrier would be 777 meters long and able to carry the capacity of six to eight of the regular Gamilas fleet carriers. Just one of those with six battlecarriers should be enough to deal with the Earth or Gatlantis fleets in terms of numbers of fighters while allowing the rest of the fleet to be battleships.

Dessler Soto, Banzai!

TZoli · 2017-10-13, 08:02

Well apparently there is one other carrier in the Gamillan Galman fleet the Command Carrier Undaunted:

Difficult to estimate it's size but looks like around the same size as the assault carrier but with a larger hanger capacity and better launch capabilities.

skaianDestiny · 2017-10-14, 16:34

Someone posted a short summary on Twitter. Spoilering.

Spoiler:

Source

>The Gatlantis ships form a cannon that will fire the artificial sun at Earth with the power of a supernova. Kodai ends up using the hadou cannon to stop them (shoots the sun and doesn’t harm the Gatlantis ships at all). Also Yuki stowed away on Yamato.
>Yamato unloads the refugees onto some Gamilas ships which also hand Kamiya stuff which he can use to sabotage the Yamato’s reactor. Gamilas rebels show up and attack with planet bombs which cause the planet to collapse. Kodai confronts the Gatlantis emperor who reveals that there are Zambot-esque human bombs among the refugees and wants Kodai to choose one of the three ships which he’ll save, he’ll blow up the others
>Kodai is about to choose the one with Yuki on it but she jumps off the ship saying choosing would break Kodai. He yells that he chooses none so the emperor detonates all the human bombs. But they only blow up the ship reactors (no actual damage but the ships will get caughtin the planet’s collapse). Hijikata stops the collapse with the hadou cannon and everyone lives.
> Brainwashing space fireflies make the crew fight. Doctor and Analyzer kill them with bug spray. Also Okita’s ghost appears to Kodai. Kodai apologises for using the cannon and Okita says “nah man it’s cool shoot it all you want”
>Dessler shows up in post credits where Gatlantis emperor gives him fleet to attack Yamato. Next chapter preview has his ship.
>Kamiya seems to be a secret VIP - He gets a bunch of moments with Akira
>Suspicious lady is a Gatlantis spy or something (no shit) but she seems to feel guilty when saying goodbye to the little Gamilas girl (Because the refugees were supposed to die), (She also remains on the ship after the other refugees leave, Saitou’s group too. Also Hijikata who turned out to be fine and was rescued)
>Not much in the way of plot compared to previous chapters, last episode this time is practically filler.
>Nothing with the people left on Earth except one unimportant offhand reference to Niimi.

Ithekro · 2017-10-14, 20:46

Something to address, that is a awful lot of ships to be within one light year of Earth. Hopefully that is addressed somehow.

Aside from the episodes themselves, I really want to see the preview for episode 11, now.

macdawson · 2017-10-15, 18:41

Spoiler:

Ithekro · 2017-10-16, 01:36

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Originally Posted by macdawson

Spoiler:

Could setup a later plot point.

Spoiler for Return to Planet 11?:

GundamFan0083 · 2017-10-16, 04:17

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Originally Posted by TZoli

I would say Yamato will destroy the star when the Gatlantis Killer fleet was about to fire, creating a chain reaction and destroy most if not all the fleet. Though I don't know how would that effect the 11th Planet...

Also it's more than Gigantic:

Though this image reminds me of the Star Trek TOS Super Weapon: The Planet Killer:

Looks like somebody involved in making Yamato 2202 has learned how to use "Sprites" in Lightwave's Layout to great effect.

BTW, lightwave (by Newtek) is the 3D modeling software being used to make Space Battleship Yamato 2202.

https://www.lightwave3d.com/news/art...riors-of-love/

Kamijou Touma IB · 2017-10-16, 14:24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAuGjAGBWAs&t=158s

talk about ripping off Yamato start at 2:00 hado ho.

This is the current super sentai kyuranger.

skaianDestiny · 2017-10-16, 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy Convoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAuGjAGBWAs&t=158s

talk about ripping off Yamato start at 2:00 hado ho.

This is the current super sentai kyuranger.

Yamato's a classic, referencing it is like referencing Star Trek or Star Wars.

If you wanna talk about ripping Yamato off, have a gander at this:
https://youtu.be/45zai3U5hSM?t=791

I admit I had a laugh when I saw it recently.

Kamijou Touma IB · 2017-10-16, 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by skaianDestiny

Yamato's a classic, referencing it is like referencing Star Trek or Star Wars.

If you wanna talk about ripping Yamato off, have a gander at this:
https://youtu.be/45zai3U5hSM?t=791

I admit I had a laugh when I saw it recently.

I remember seeing that long ago, that show ripped off basically everything.

here is another at :46

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtV-lf10kk8
Target Scope Open.

GundamFan0083 · 2017-10-16, 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy Convoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAuGjAGBWAs&t=158s

talk about ripping off Yamato start at 2:00 hado ho.

This is the current super sentai kyuranger.

Did I miss something?
How did the conversation go from lightwave to rip-offs?
I'm confused.

skaianDestiny · 2017-10-19, 16:31

1/1000 2202 Yamato arrived today, after a cursory look at the data sheet, here's some stuff I was able to gather:

The "plan name" is A201F5-E, whatever that means
The asteroid ring defense system's official name is the Asteroid Ring Generated Offense System, otherwise known as the ARGO
They list all the differences between the 2199 version and the 2202 version
The Cosmo Tiger II's two variants are listed, and they have some significant differences
- Their names are "single-seat type" and "lightning type trident seat type"
- Trident seat type has less machine guns, different nose, and different cockpit as well as seeming to carry a heavier missile armament

EDIT: Ohai

Spoiler for Mega spoilers:

Kamijou Touma IB · 2017-10-19, 18:29

Spoiler for mega spolier:

Ithekro · 2017-10-19, 18:45

It is good that the two Cosmo Tiger II variants are more different than their original versions. Though I wonder if they will still have the two-seater version with just the pilot and turret gunner that only appeared in the series taking off from the Earth's battlecarriers.

This is the three-seat model with a pilot, weapon's officer, and turret gunner. It was also used for recon, and for delivering combat troops and marines to the enemy when there was no other craft.

Spoiler for Mega Spoiler:

2017-10-09, 21:05	Link #1043
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	I would guess that Gatlantis found a record of what happened at Balun from one of the ships they tested their new Magnaflame gun on during the opening part of Ark of the Stars. All those ships were at Balun. We know Gamilas has the at least had a working wave motion gun of some kind on Dessler's flagship If it was as powerful as Yamato's isn't fully known, but it did have a great range and could destroy a planet. We don't know if Yamato's gun has a maximum range, though we do know that Andromeda can fire through solid rock the size of a moon to reach a target. Though not its maximum effective range. This massive mass of ships as a cannon have a range of over 50 AU. Something like seven light-hours distance. Or even twice that given how far out we have detected things in our system so far (V774104 is 103 AUs out while Eris is 96 AUs out) Planet 11 could be anywhere out there up to maybe 15 light-hours out. Even out to maybe even a light year out depending on what qualifies at the edge of our solar system. EDIT: If I caught AU-09's graphics correctly, Planet 11 is something over 3000 AU out from Earth...that is over two light-weeks away. 17 plus light-days out! Gamewise, I will probably keep the Calakmuls as I have them, but I will need to amend their long range beam weapon a bit for group firing. One would assume that one of these ships could use its three rings to fire a long ranged single lance beam at an enemy ship without hurting itself. But combined fire to make greater beams? Maybe 25% of the beam's damage is taken by each of the firing ships? Use a few ships and it probably won't do more than cook the defensive screens or singe the armor plating. But more ships? Melt the ship into orbital cinders. Assume a ship could take say 60 points of damage without real problems (shielding or whatever) and on top of that be able to take up to maybe 250 points of damage before it would just fall apart regardless of the crews abilities or luck. Each of these rings can put out between 33 and 60 points of damage, and a ship with three rings could do between 99 and 180 points of damage. But you start combining ships. Even if they are only firing a ring each, that's 66 to 120 points of damage to a target and because of they way they are using it, they would each take 16 to 30 points of damage...which they could take with ease. But with six rings from two ships? 198 to 360 points of damage to the target and 49 to 90 points to each ship, which could start to leave a mark. Six ships, with 18 rings? 594 to 1080 points of damage. There are no ships in the system that can take that much damage that aren't battlestations, or personally operated by men named Zordar. But 25% of that? 148 to 270 points of damage for each ship. While they won't vaporize...they will more than likely explode from critical hits given the game system. And they almost certainly will not be able to fire their weapons again given the damage they will sustain. Any more ships than that and they will almost certainly vaporize. __________________ Last edited by Ithekro; 2017-10-09 at 22:18.

2017-10-10, 11:55	Link #1044
TZoli Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Hajdúszoboszló, Hungary	I would say Yamato will destroy the star when the Gatlantis Killer fleet was about to fire, creating a chain reaction and destroy most if not all the fleet. Though I don't know how would that effect the 11th Planet... Also it's more than Gigantic: Though this image reminds me of the Star Trek TOS Super Weapon: The Planet Killer: Last edited by TZoli; 2017-10-10 at 12:17.

2017-10-11, 18:02	Link #1045
macdawson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	According to Analyzer's graphics, the artificial sun's explosion will destroy Planet 11, if we take the graphics literaly. But given Yamato seems to fire from close to the surface and with the sun already purple, as seen at the end of the trailer, this is either before it explodes or the planet managed to survive. __________________

2017-10-11, 18:27	Link #1046
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	So many disposable ships.... Even more disposable that the Gamilas regular ships or the normal EDF ships in these series. At least those ships were not trying to get themselves destroyed most of the time, and were just overmatched. These ships are going to just get toasted to fire a single shot at Earth. __________________

2017-10-12, 16:46	Link #1047
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	I was working on balance for an all capital ships battle that used carrier based fighters for February and noticed something that made me have need to address the numbers of fighters each fleet could deploy. I have managed to more or less balance the potential Earth or Gatlantis fleets around 20 ships and 720+ fighters. However, when attempting to do this with the Gamilas fleet I found a problem. The Gamilas do not have a massive fighter carrier (yet). They have three different carriers, with different purposes. One is clearly for planetary assault. The second is the generic carrier with limited weapons, but wide hangers able to carry just about anything. And then you have the battlecarrier, which is heavily armed, and can carry a lot of fighters, but of limited types due to their hanger doors. Each of the other two factions have 180 or so capacity carriers, while the Gamilas have 60 capacity carriers. While a fleet of 12 battlcarriers would be impressive, it may not be all that practical. And a fleet of the others would be a liability in a battleline. The Earth gets away with it because all their battleships carry at least a fighter squadron or two, and their new battlecarriers are massively impressive. Gatlantis gets away with it because their old twin-deck carrier should be scaled out to be huge if it is remotely the same length as the original compared to their battleships. Four of those plus a few Medaruusa are more than adequate for what I have in mind and allow for a heavy battleline. The Gamilas heavy battleships don't carry fighters. And to equal the Earth or Gatlantis factions, the entire majority of the battleline would need to be carriers or battlecarriers. How to solve this problem? Look a bit ahead in the timeline. The Galman-Gamilas Six-Deck Carrier. If scaled out with Yamato compared to their Yamato III appearances...I estimate the huge carrier would be 777 meters long and able to carry the capacity of six to eight of the regular Gamilas fleet carriers. Just one of those with six battlecarriers should be enough to deal with the Earth or Gatlantis fleets in terms of numbers of fighters while allowing the rest of the fleet to be battleships. Dessler Soto, Banzai! __________________ Last edited by Ithekro; 2017-10-12 at 21:42.

2017-10-09, 20:42	Link #1042
skaianDestiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	Another thing to keep in mind is that apparently 2 of the generals were shocked at the WMG's firepower, and one of them was the one who advocated for the use of the fleet we see at Planet 11. Seems that they don't care how many ships they have when faced with planet-destroying firepower. And to be honest, I agree. The Calakmuls are definitely fierce opponents, however their special weapon is comparatively short-ranged and in order to do that big beam in episode 6 they had to destroy themselves in the process (and it's implied a significant portion of the fleet will also be destroyed by the Region Cannon). In fact, I'd go as far to say in a straight up fight, the current Earth fleet of 5 Andromedas and 10 Dreadnoughts has fair odds against the Calakmuls. With how they powered up the Dispersion WMG (shooting through a moon is still the best fucking intro to a fleet-killing weapon), Earth's ships not only significantly out range the Calakmuls, but they have the ability to simply erase huge swathes of them with very little lead up time or detriment. And that's pretty scary when in order to replicate that kind of fire power you either need to get up close or sacrifice your own ships. The Region Cannon seems to be a message saying "we have that kind of firepower too". It also appears that using Wave Motion Energy as a weapon isn't something common/easy to do, since Gamilas needed to do all that research and Gatlantis is apparently seeing it for the first time. Given how they were using Yurisha as a navigation database and Iscandar is the only other race to have used WMGs, I have a feeling they mined Yurisha's brain for part of the information required with Sanada filling in the rest. It's just fan conjecture though.

2017-10-13, 08:02	Link #1048
TZoli Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Hajdúszoboszló, Hungary	Well apparently there is one other carrier in the Gamillan Galman fleet the Command Carrier Undaunted: Difficult to estimate it's size but looks like around the same size as the assault carrier but with a larger hanger capacity and better launch capabilities.

2017-10-14, 16:34	Link #1049
skaianDestiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	Someone posted a short summary on Twitter. Spoilering. Spoiler: Source >The Gatlantis ships form a cannon that will fire the artificial sun at Earth with the power of a supernova. Kodai ends up using the hadou cannon to stop them (shoots the sun and doesn’t harm the Gatlantis ships at all). Also Yuki stowed away on Yamato. >Yamato unloads the refugees onto some Gamilas ships which also hand Kamiya stuff which he can use to sabotage the Yamato’s reactor. Gamilas rebels show up and attack with planet bombs which cause the planet to collapse. Kodai confronts the Gatlantis emperor who reveals that there are Zambot-esque human bombs among the refugees and wants Kodai to choose one of the three ships which he’ll save, he’ll blow up the others >Kodai is about to choose the one with Yuki on it but she jumps off the ship saying choosing would break Kodai. He yells that he chooses none so the emperor detonates all the human bombs. But they only blow up the ship reactors (no actual damage but the ships will get caughtin the planet’s collapse). Hijikata stops the collapse with the hadou cannon and everyone lives. > Brainwashing space fireflies make the crew fight. Doctor and Analyzer kill them with bug spray. Also Okita’s ghost appears to Kodai. Kodai apologises for using the cannon and Okita says “nah man it’s cool shoot it all you want” >Dessler shows up in post credits where Gatlantis emperor gives him fleet to attack Yamato. Next chapter preview has his ship. >Kamiya seems to be a secret VIP - He gets a bunch of moments with Akira >Suspicious lady is a Gatlantis spy or something (no shit) but she seems to feel guilty when saying goodbye to the little Gamilas girl (Because the refugees were supposed to die), (She also remains on the ship after the other refugees leave, Saitou’s group too. Also Hijikata who turned out to be fine and was rescued) >Not much in the way of plot compared to previous chapters, last episode this time is practically filler. >Nothing with the people left on Earth except one unimportant offhand reference to Niimi.

2017-10-14, 20:46	Link #1050
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Something to address, that is a awful lot of ships to be within one light year of Earth. Hopefully that is addressed somehow. Aside from the episodes themselves, I really want to see the preview for episode 11, now. __________________

2017-10-15, 18:41	Link #1051
macdawson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	Spoiler: Saying that the Gatlantis ships that were forming the Leginnaire Cannon weren't hurt is a bit misleading. Sure, there was no big explosion that annihilated them all, but the energy discharge that ran though the cannon disabled them all. To the point that they were rendered into nothing more than very large paper weights. It's possible the crews will eventually get a few of them running again, but I doubt there're enough spare parts around to repair 2.5 million ships. That Yamato leaves and lets them there, just floating above Planet 11 is telling. __________________

2017-10-16, 14:24	Link #1054
Kamijou Touma IB Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gakuen Toshi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAuGjAGBWAs&t=158s talk about ripping off Yamato start at 2:00 hado ho. This is the current super sentai kyuranger. __________________

2017-10-19, 16:31	Link #1058
skaianDestiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	1/1000 2202 Yamato arrived today, after a cursory look at the data sheet, here's some stuff I was able to gather: The "plan name" is A201F5-E, whatever that means The asteroid ring defense system's official name is the Asteroid Ring Generated Offense System, otherwise known as the ARGO They list all the differences between the 2199 version and the 2202 version The Cosmo Tiger II's two variants are listed, and they have some significant differences Their names are "single-seat type" and "lightning type trident seat type" Trident seat type has less machine guns, different nose, and different cockpit as well as seeming to carry a heavier missile armament EDIT: Ohai Spoiler for Mega spoilers: Last edited by skaianDestiny; 2017-10-19 at 17:23.

2017-10-19, 18:29	Link #1059
Kamijou Touma IB Imagine Breaker Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gakuen Toshi	Spoiler for mega spolier: Return of Dessler that is definitely the Desura's bridge __________________

2017-10-19, 18:45	Link #1060
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	It is good that the two Cosmo Tiger II variants are more different than their original versions. Though I wonder if they will still have the two-seater version with just the pilot and turret gunner that only appeared in the series taking off from the Earth's battlecarriers. This is the three-seat model with a pilot, weapon's officer, and turret gunner. It was also used for recon, and for delivering combat troops and marines to the enemy when there was no other craft. Spoiler for Mega Spoiler: The Praise Be Our Eternal Glory intensifies. Note that his new ship has both Gamilas and Cometine style turrets and likely SMITE up front, possibly allowing the Dessler Cannon to do the same thing as the Magnaflame Gun, but better...because better tech. I count 20 turrets with a possibility of 24 easily. __________________ Last edited by Ithekro; 2017-10-19 at 19:00.