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Deathkillz · 2007-03-04, 16:38

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Originally Posted by Guido

Spoiler for For episode 23:

looking back on tokiko's flashback in ep 18 ~

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Guido · 2007-03-04, 17:10

The last battle with Victor started, and it impresses me the awesomeness of Victor's powers per se.

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Additionally, Kazuki has been cornered into a tricky, tight spot.

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BTW, ANN has posted the titles for the last three episodes but take caution at the possibility of being fake.

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Roots · 2007-03-05, 01:21

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Originally Posted by Guido

To Mr. Roots, I am appalled with your writing skills and Japanese-comprehension listening skills meaning that your review is one fine piece of translation work that alowed me to understand the episode after have already watched it.

Umm, thanks. But you know the word appalled means "struck with fear, dread, or consternation", which obviously has negative connotations. I was confused after I read that first sentence containing that word.

Glad you appreciate my quick and dirty t/l though.

Riker · 2007-03-05, 01:25

About the episode listings...

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kaeli · 2007-03-05, 06:22

@Riker
The episode titles are correct. They've been on XEBEC's website for about a week. Considering that next week's episode is to cover the chapter Boy Meets Battle Girl, it was relatively clear that the anime will also include the conclusive Akamaru Jump chapters Final and Period.
Maybe there will be enough room for After, or for some scenes of it. It does not justify an own episode either way, I believe, so we will have to see how the anime will be pacing things, really.

As for episode 22, I'm a little disappointed that so many was left out, especially the funny bits, but also how Victoria's introduction was really reduced to the basics.

She is indeed voiced by Rie Kugimiya. Masako Katsuki is Alexandria.

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Contempt · 2007-03-05, 08:20

Whee subbed... Now rather than pretending to know what was going on, I actually know

Deathkillz · 2007-03-06, 17:28

wow...so unexpectedly kazuki became a guinea pig for Alexandria...i bet she also wasnt expecting for kazuki to become "victorized" as well...

and looking at this scene again killed me XD

i guess this is the time we all say..."OH SHI~!"

Zu Ra · 2007-03-06, 17:47

I havnt watched ep 22 planning to watch it soon . I hope there is lot of Papi feautrured in it

Yep I never get bopred or tired of his antics .

ThoHell · 2007-03-07, 22:37

Ep 23 was sad, but still amusing. It had a long awaited scene in it which made it all good. THE END IS COMING CLOSE!!!!

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Zu Ra · 2007-03-08, 00:03

Ep 22 was pretty good nice back story on Victor's past and family but vague in detail . Why was Tokiko handed/received Black kakugane why wasnt she stopped . Victor vs Chief of Alchemic warriors I am looking forward to continuation that battle . Most likely Victor will ve Victorious

. But altleast somone could stand up to him decisively

aohige · 2007-03-08, 01:37

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Originally Posted by ThoHell

Ep 23 was sad, but still amusing. It had a long awaited scene in it which made it all good. THE END IS COMING CLOSE!!!!

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Yes, they did the most beautiful part of the series perfectly!

Btw, this is where the original manga series got axed in weekly serialization.
Can you guys imagine the despair we were in, when it came to an end?

Later we learned that the final part of the series was going to be published on seasonal Akamaru-Jump, but until then...
us fans were PISSED at the %*&@$ Jump editorial for axing the series.

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Nightengale · 2007-03-08, 02:32

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Originally Posted by aohige

Yes, they did the most beautiful part of the series perfectly!

Btw, this is where the original manga series got axed in weekly serialization.
Can you guys imagine the despair we were in, when it came to an end?

Later we learned that the final part of the series was going to be published on seasonal Akamaru-Jump, but until then...
us fans were PISSED at the %*&@$ Jump editorial for axing the series.

Most beautiful? LIES.

*UG > **SS. Well, my opinion anyway. I thought that setting was much better. :P

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Well...to be completely fair, Busou Renkin wasn't THAT popular anyway...It probably would've continued fine in any other weekly serialization, but we know Jump editors just luv comparing popularity with previous works...and that not-very-popular-series faces axing. Like Shaman King.

aohige · 2007-03-08, 03:18

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Originally Posted by Nightengale

Most beautiful? LIES.

*UG > **SS. Well, my opinion anyway. I thought that setting was much better. :P

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Well...to be completely fair, Busou Renkin wasn't THAT popular anyway...It probably would've continued fine in any other weekly serialization, but we know Jump editors just luv comparing popularity with previous works...and that not-very-popular-series faces axing. Like Shaman King.

No, it wasn't as popular as some of the other Jump manga.
Although it was way more popular than most Jump and non-Jump manga out there.

The thing is, WHERE they decided to axe it. they could have axed it long ago, but they had to axe it right at the climax of the series... when only a few episodes more and the series could have ended in shounen weekly Jump.

Also, you do realize that Jump editorial bases its axing by inquiry/questionnaires sent in by the readers, and NOT based on the sales of the manga, right? This has been a long known fact, criticized by many in the field.

Which is one of the biggest reason why Weekly Shonen Jump's current line of manga are severly lacking compared to 10 and 20 years ago, and inability to keep artists in the business. Their current popularity is well below HALF of what it used to be, and continues to struggle.

There's a book released by a former editor in Jump, which is basically an expose on how corrupt the editorial has become, bound by old system that no longer works. One of the biggest issue was the relying on inquiry system.

Here's a good comparison.
A random issue from one of golden-age of Jump.
A random issue from current Jump.

As you can see, the one above is full of legendary titles... There are only one or two "small" titles, and rest are all super-successful big hitters. The one below... well, you get the idea.
The number of assured "hits" have decreased to much less than half, which is exactly the same ratio as how much business they have lost overall.

This isn't just "my" opinion, it's a concern raised by many including ones in Shuueisha. Weekly Jump editorials does need reforming. Big time.

So, um.... where was I....

Sorry for getting off-topic.

Nightengale · 2007-03-08, 03:33

Yes, while I am not that informed on how Jump works within it's artist/editor workings, I am aware that Jump editorials works it's way around questionnares/inquiry axe. If I'm not mistaken, aren't fan letters also taken a little into consideration in what the editors want out of the artist/authors in particular?

Anyway, enough of that. It may had been rushed a little, but BR got an ending as it is, so I'm satisfied with that.

Ah...the golden ages. How I miss thee.

......Wait. They're not animating AFTER!?

kaeli · 2007-03-08, 05:34

Whether they'll include scenes of After in the final episode or not cannot really be said, I guess. I'd wager we won't get an accurate adaptation of this story, but maybe a few scenes will be included.
Whatever that may mean for the rest of Tokiko's backstory.

@aohige
Thanks for that post. When it was running and when it was ended (By the way, I heard about BR ending on the same day that Ratzinger became pope. How telling is that?!) I found it sort of hard to get an understanding of how popular or unpopular the series really was. In Weekly Jump, it was almost always in a low position, the tankoubon were usually in the top ten, though, and the English language internet fandom kept whining about it not being Rurouni Kenshin and it stealing the alchemy from FMA, and what not. It was majorly confusing.

The 23rd episode makes me wistful. I half wish it would continue.

Deathkillz · 2007-03-08, 14:14

imo BR is just an underrated series...*spread the word*

just looking at the title of this ep gives my the good positive vibes

ep 23 ~

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so...

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I love waffles! · 2007-03-09, 23:42

Why are there so may JoJo references in this series?

kaeli · 2007-03-10, 08:21

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Originally Posted by I love waffles!

Why are there so may JoJo references in this series?

Where there any in episode 23? I'm still saddened they left out the one that could have been, but was not, in episode 22.

Watsuki is a fan, obviously, that's all the justification you need for JoJo references. XD

Guido · 2007-03-10, 10:58

Just two questions before I move on with episode twenty-three.

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I love waffles! · 2007-03-10, 20:03

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Originally Posted by kaeli

Watsuki is a fan, obviously, that's all the justification you need for JoJo references. XD

I thought it was ether that or he worked that manga. I was just wondering.

2007-03-04, 17:10	Link #522
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	The last battle with Victor started, and it impresses me the awesomeness of Victor's powers per se. Spoiler: Changing his cellular structure in order to survive unharmed the scorching inferno resulted from Busujima's and Hiwatari's Busou Renkin combined; and to grow about eight meters tall to best Shousei's Busou Renkin. For the moment I am afraid that if Shousei's Busou Renkin is all to summon that giant suit of armor then the fight with Victor would be too short. I can hope that he has more than one Busou Renkin, or he has not at all played yet the other powers of his Busou Renkin. Additionally, Kazuki has been cornered into a tricky, tight spot. Spoiler: As the title for the episode implies, he's got two unanimous choices left and nothing else can't be helped once the decision is made. 1. Using the proto-White Kakugane on himself. That would mean that first he is forced to kill Victor, because it does not cross my mind that Kazuki will take that option right away and in the easy way. 2. Forfeiting his one-time chance to become human and force the proto-White Kakugane on Victor. However, doing so would mean to become a hunted man for as long as he lives, plus amounting the possibility that once his victorization completes then he'll become a viciously dangerous lifeform for the entire planet that anybody would not be able to stop. BTW, ANN has posted the titles for the last three episodes but take caution at the possibility of being fake. Spoiler: 24. When I Die At The Time When You Die When you die that is when I die キミが死ぬ時が私が死ぬ時 Kimi ga shinu toki ga watashi ga shinu toki 25. Substitute Is Not Required 代わりなどいない Kawari nado i nai 26. Period ピリオド PIRIODO

2007-03-05, 01:25	Link #524
Riker Peek a boo Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2005	About the episode listings... Spoiler: Assuming that it's correct and ends at Period then there should be a decent conclusion instead of the abrupt end in Jump. Unfortunately it could also mean that they won't be including the side story chapter, which is a pity. Well theres always an option of an OVA or DVD special. : o

2007-03-05, 06:22	Link #525
kaeli Member Join Date: May 2006	@Riker The episode titles are correct. They've been on XEBEC's website for about a week. Considering that next week's episode is to cover the chapter Boy Meets Battle Girl, it was relatively clear that the anime will also include the conclusive Akamaru Jump chapters Final and Period. Maybe there will be enough room for After, or for some scenes of it. It does not justify an own episode either way, I believe, so we will have to see how the anime will be pacing things, really. As for episode 22, I'm a little disappointed that so many was left out, especially the funny bits, but also how Victoria's introduction was really reduced to the basics. She is indeed voiced by Rie Kugimiya. Masako Katsuki is Alexandria. Spoiler: I don't think there's any significance behind the "masked man" in episode 18 having been voiced by a man in "his" first appearance. Probably just to increase the mystery. If you're interested, the trivia for today is that this masked man was voiced by Takayuki Kondou - Rokumasu's voice actor.

2007-03-05, 08:20	Link #526
Contempt Counting Spoons Join Date: May 2006 Location: -> Over there	Whee subbed... Now rather than pretending to know what was going on, I actually know Last edited by Contempt; 2007-03-06 at 16:03.

2007-03-06, 17:28	Link #527
Deathkillz ~ You're dead ^__^* ~ Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: uk, England Age: 34	wow...so unexpectedly kazuki became a guinea pig for Alexandria...i bet she also wasnt expecting for kazuki to become "victorized" as well... and looking at this scene again killed me XD i guess this is the time we all say..."OH SHI~!" __________________ Siggy: hohohohoho~ \| AnimeHistory welcome to our blog ~ \| Summer2009 early review Under the radar series Summer2009: Kanamemo, GA Geijutsuka Art, NEEDLESS

2007-03-06, 17:47	Link #528
Zu Ra ✖ ǝʇ ɯıqnɾl ☆ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mortuary : D	I havnt watched ep 22 planning to watch it soon . I hope there is lot of Papi feautrured in it Yep I never get bopred or tired of his antics . __________________

2007-03-07, 22:37	Link #529
ThoHell Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	Ep 23 was sad, but still amusing. It had a long awaited scene in it which made it all good. THE END IS COMING CLOSE!!!! Spoiler for ep 23: You so know what he's thinking. He's planning on turning Victor back to human instead of himself, which makes me totally look forward to the ending since I don't know exactly how it's going to turn out. THE FINALLY KISSED! Finally it happened. Looks like the big battle is coming up soon, hopefully starting in the next episode, so looking forward to it!

2007-03-08, 00:03	Link #530
Zu Ra ✖ ǝʇ ɯıqnɾl ☆ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mortuary : D	Ep 22 was pretty good nice back story on Victor's past and family but vague in detail . Why was Tokiko handed/received Black kakugane why wasnt she stopped . Victor vs Chief of Alchemic warriors I am looking forward to continuation that battle . Most likely Victor will ve Victorious . But altleast somone could stand up to him decisively __________________

2007-03-08, 03:33	Link #534
Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	Yes, while I am not that informed on how Jump works within it's artist/editor workings, I am aware that Jump editorials works it's way around questionnares/inquiry axe. If I'm not mistaken, aren't fan letters also taken a little into consideration in what the editors want out of the artist/authors in particular? Anyway, enough of that. It may had been rushed a little, but BR got an ending as it is, so I'm satisfied with that. Ah...the golden ages. How I miss thee. ......Wait. They're not animating AFTER!? __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra.

2007-03-08, 05:34	Link #535
kaeli Member Join Date: May 2006	Whether they'll include scenes of After in the final episode or not cannot really be said, I guess. I'd wager we won't get an accurate adaptation of this story, but maybe a few scenes will be included. Whatever that may mean for the rest of Tokiko's backstory. @aohige Thanks for that post. When it was running and when it was ended (By the way, I heard about BR ending on the same day that Ratzinger became pope. How telling is that?!) I found it sort of hard to get an understanding of how popular or unpopular the series really was. In Weekly Jump, it was almost always in a low position, the tankoubon were usually in the top ten, though, and the English language internet fandom kept whining about it not being Rurouni Kenshin and it stealing the alchemy from FMA, and what not. It was majorly confusing. The 23rd episode makes me wistful. I half wish it would continue.

2007-03-08, 14:14	Link #536
Deathkillz ~ You're dead ^__^* ~ Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: uk, England Age: 34	imo BR is just an underrated series...spread the word just looking at the title of this ep gives my the good positive vibes ep 23 ~ Spoiler: first a recap of the current situation ~ victor is fighting and kazuki is given a chance to save "someone"...will he choose the selfish or the right option? O.o well first onto kazuki's friends...we see them going to school but at the school gates the find kazuki and tokiko...nice reunion but Okakura comments too much on tokiko's relationship with kazuki resulting with "im gonna kill you!" phrase from tokiko oka is looking outside from a class room and talks to her "other" personality...things will go fine... same with what bravo is thinking...he knows that kazuki will do the right thing and that he is strong...yet he still just 17... mahiro is delighted that his brother and tokiko has returned...but seriously...hugging tokiko instead of kazuki really broke his heart mahiro thinks that if kazuki is back then "things" must have been sorted out...kazuki agrees but we can see from tokiko's face that this is hardly to case... mahiro suggests that they all go and have fun...theme park anyone? moving onto the victor exterminating team we see hiwatari and his group retreating...Shusui is frustrated at the decision but hiwatari tells him that there nothing they can do ~ but when mentioning ill of kazuki Shusui gets mad...Shusui asks what reason is there to kill kazuki if victor is killed but hiwatari doesnt care about those facts...(and here i fail at listening and understanding >.<) at school a situation was set up for tokiko...the group leaves her knowing that kazuki is busy in the toilet ~ he thinks back to what he told mahiro and gota asks him that this is a good time for him...being with friends...but then we also see gota's caring side... pappilon also shows up and tells kazuki about finding the secrets of the white kakugane...kazuki asks if he is going to make another white kakugane but he replies that his aim is to turn kazuki back into a human ~ a flash back to explain that a black kakugane can never be made again ~ i think the situation here is pappilon is trying to encourage kazuki to live on...in his own "caring way" ~ kazuki catches up to tokiko and they both go home together...tokiko asks if this is alrite with him but he is fine...dragging her along they run off into the distance... it hot...so they decide to go get some shaved ice kazuki tells tokiko about his past experience with shaved ice...once he tried to feed mahiro but got her dirty...which ended in the ice melting...just some good memories... tokiko is happy that kazuki is able to tell her some good past experience...but as for herself...her past has always been dark...but now its different ~ and kazuki agrees...he will always be by her side ~ then comes the brain freeze the group catches up with the pair and things carry on from their...theyall go to the theme park and it looks like they are having a great time...Okakura seems to be weak against these types of stuff hehe nearing the end of the day we see tokiko in the toilets...she gives an "angry" face which is suspicious ~ walking out to regroup they suggests that they go sing some karaoke ~ but this time kazuki drops out saying that he wants to go back early...tokiko wants to follow but is forced to go with mahiro and the others... next we see kazuki sitting on top of a water tank thinking about what to do next...he got friends around him telling him not to give up...but he himself wants to protect everyone...and victor is also on his list...tokiko shows up and says that she left earlier...she tells kazuki to look in the distance and we see the factory where kazuki saved tokiko...thats it...it was at that time where everything started...he wants to protect and tells tokiko that he understands...and with that...they will be together...OMG KISSU! back to victor...more and more planes/ships whatever are sent to attack him...but it seems that he is unstoppable as he takes all of the ships out in a split second O.o so... Spoiler: the carm before the storm ep...kazuki is going to kick some butt next! __________________ Siggy: hohohohoho~ \| AnimeHistory welcome to our blog ~ \| Summer2009 early review Under the radar series Summer2009: Kanamemo, GA Geijutsuka Art, NEEDLESS

2007-03-09, 23:42	Link #537
I love waffles! Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	Why are there so may JoJo references in this series?

2007-03-10, 10:58	Link #539
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Just two questions before I move on with episode twenty-three. Spoiler: Alexandria wakes up from a seven-years coma and finds out that she has been tended by Victoria now a Homunculus, and their facility is beneath the school, or I guess the hideout was another location before they moved in to Japan. Who would have turned Victoria into a homunculus? The reason as for why should be common sense logic, but I can get wrong. 1. Victoria could have chosen to become a homunculus so as to take care of her mother for as many years as it would have taken for Alexandria to wake up. 2. Victoria could have been forced to become a homunculus as part of being a test subject for further research on Alchemy. Since I have never been in contact with the manga, the possibilities to theorize are quite several. My only take is that Butterfly took care of Victor's family; provided the two of them with the hidden facility; and may have or not turn Victoria into a homunculus. After all, Butterfly struck the deal to Victor. To have the latter healed and asleep inside the machine of the former's creation in exchange for the secret of the alchemy and kakugane. Just because Butterfly never made mentioned about Victor's family could mean either he didn't knew both existed, because it was matter to personal for Victor or he knew well but was sworn by Victor never to disclose their existences.