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Old 2015-08-28, 03:04   Link #261
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Depending on the map itself where destroyers have the advantage over battleships.
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Old 2015-08-28, 05:18   Link #262
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To be honest, when I'm a BB, I really hate to see any DD near me.
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Old 2015-08-28, 06:58   Link #263
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1. How did you manage to get to Tier X if destroyers are so frustrating?
2. Considering all of the games I've been where destroyers have literally been the deciding factor of the battles, I contest the statement that Destroyers are the least useful class in the game... and this is speaking as a Battleship driver.
I can't speak for him but:

1. It's a Wargaming product. It's pretty much a requirement for you to be frustrated the entire time you're playing it.

2. Destroyers have been statistically proven to have the overall worst win rate of any class by a large margin. Not to say they are incapable of carrying games, that definitely isn't the case, but they have a very high skill floor and a very low margin for error, and random bad luck can end their game immediately before they can really do anything.

My friend is a pretty elite player, has a 62% win rate and I've seen him get multiple 7 kill games in his destroyers. I've also seen him get randomly spotted by a carrier plane just passing by and get blown out of the water before he can fire a shot or torpedo. Games with multiple carriers and planes flying everywhere makes it very hard to stay stealthy like you're supposed to, and many destroyers have a very delicate balance between torpedo range and detection range. There's a very thin line between being a stealthy assassin and being spotted and immediately killed. Smoke being heavily nerfed since the closed beta doesn't help either.

Generally the average pub player doesn't have the skill required to make this class work (hell, I know I don't and that's why I don't play them). Most of the games I see where they're a deciding factor, they're a deciding factor in helping the enemy team win because they put us several ships down a minute into the game by yolo'ing and dying.

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Old 2015-08-28, 13:03   Link #264
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I tend to do the CC thing more than the BB line these days but as a BB I dread DDs and have been removed from such games early without proper escort.

Yesterday a Pensacola and my Cleveland did a close in escort of a North Carolina in the ice fields but our poor NC got ambushed by a DD and got taken out. I did not even see where the DD was until the Pensacola lit him up several km away then we finished him.

Oh pax bonus code for free port slot and flags.

Code: PAXBONUS2015

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Old 2015-08-29, 04:05   Link #265
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It all depends on the players. Having DD or not having makes a huge difference. If the other team have DD they can't storm tight passage ways or go near islands or even stay in straight line for long. If you kill DD early those worries are all gone.

When I see a DD I kill them 1st. Specially in a CV. You get more xp from killing a DD than killed BBs.


Damn I am frustrated with the Nagato. Less guns than Fuso. I having a hard time to hit targets with this ship.
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Old 2015-08-29, 09:08   Link #266
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Oh pax bonus code for free port slot and flags.

Code: PAXBONUS2015
A warning for those on the EU server, this code doesn't work.
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Old 2015-08-29, 09:34   Link #267
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Damn I am frustrated with the Nagato. Less guns than Fuso. I having a hard time to hit targets with this ship.
While I don't have the Nagato yet, advice I've heard from people about it is that the Nagato is a brawler-type BB, whose advantages lay more in abusing her thick armor belt and formidable secondary gun battery to engage ships at close range, which also has the effect of making targets easier to hit with the main battery. She's essentially a different kind of beast from the likes of the Kongou or the later Amagi.
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Old 2015-08-29, 18:18   Link #268
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A warning for those on the EU server, this code doesn't work.
Looks like it expired. People on reddit were reporting it working on EU servers but not the Asia servers.
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Old 2015-08-30, 01:51   Link #269
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Ah wargaming...

I made a fresh install of Win7 and I thought I use the install game exe to install the dx11 and setup the game with dir containing all the files. Yep.. didn't install dx11 properly and also ignored my game dir content and went to download and install all over... Seriously!


I wouldn't call a BB with 5 km secondaries brawler. It's more like you will die at that distance from torps or ram.
Even with if u max secondaries range you only get 7Km... compared to izumo and yamato 10km
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Old 2015-08-30, 02:46   Link #270
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I wouldn't call a BB with 5 km secondaries brawler.
Consider that other BB's before Nagato have even less secondary range, and the Nagato having 5km secondaries is actually quite considerable, especially considering how many secondary guns she has. 5-7 km is also quite a good distance for brawling since I've had occasions where ships have managed to approach me from that distance to brawl.

And I just got myself a Panpakapan, and she looks to be money well spent. Managed to hold off a point by myself for half the match period against 2 Pensacolas and a Nagato simply by circling and lobbing shells as fast as possible.
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Old 2015-08-30, 09:45   Link #271
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Tirpitz is up on the premium shop now but damn it's expensive.

Not sure I'm ready to part with that type of cash.

But I'd really like to get my hands on it.
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Old 2015-08-30, 10:05   Link #272
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Tirpitz is up on the premium shop now but damn it's expensive.

Not sure I'm ready to part with that type of cash.

But I'd really like to get my hands on it.
That's because you're getting more then just the ship and a port slot.

If the 30 days premium, 2500 gold and all the consumables weren't included the ship would only cost about £30.
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Old 2015-08-31, 10:45   Link #273
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WTF... Since yesterday most of the games I get with my VII ships are games with half of team being Tirpitz.
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Old 2015-08-31, 21:28   Link #274
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WTF... Since yesterday most of the games I get with my VII ships are games with half of team being Tirpitz.
Though it's not strange when there was matches in which half of the team fill with Atagos.
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Old 2015-09-01, 00:24   Link #275
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And here I thought people were complaining about too many Clevelands.

Although NA will be a while before we get the Tirpitz it's one of the first premium ships I am actually considering putting the asking price down.
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Old 2015-09-01, 23:48   Link #276
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So 4.1 patch notes came out, and all I'm seeing is IJN's ship nerfing everywhere. Are they that strong or am I missing something?
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Old 2015-09-02, 00:58   Link #277
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So 4.1 patch notes came out, and all I'm seeing is IJN's ship nerfing everywhere. Are they that strong or am I missing something?
There are also Japanese ships that got buffed, for instance the turret traverse speed increase on some of the DD's, and major buffing on the Furutaka. Also, some of the US BB's got nerfed (Wyoming )

Still, most of the IJN nerfs relate to their carriers, which supposedly were more powerful than anticipated.
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Old 2015-09-02, 01:59   Link #278
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major buffing on the Furutaka.
And thank god for that. I really dislike the Furutaka as of right now because I don't know the way to make her useful.

As for IJN's CV, I'm only at Hosho and it gives me an impression that the Langley is much better because I always have a hard time protect my planes from enemy's fighter without the help of my ally CA/CL.
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Old 2015-09-02, 15:12   Link #279
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And thank god for that. I really dislike the Furutaka as of right now because I don't know the way to make her useful.

As for IJN's CV, I'm only at Hosho and it gives me an impression that the Langley is much better because I always have a hard time protect my planes from enemy's fighter without the help of my ally CA/CL.
That's because Langleys have a strong fighter focus (with their offensive planes being inferior to the Hosho's). If you're 1v1ing a Langley and still being useful with your torpers (despite the Langley's pressure) that means you're outperforming the Langley.
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Old 2015-09-02, 22:22   Link #280
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I must say the MM balance has improved dramatically. No more carrier imbalance. The new maps are interesting and I like how they reworked some of the domination matches. However tonight is not my night. 4 defeats and 1 draw. My poor Cleveland has had pretty bad luck tonight. Ships been split in half twice those times....
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