Future Episode Synopses/Series Predictions/General Speculation

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Missing the point... if Koizumi had been a slider, he would have been from another dimension entirely.

Also, Closed Space is a form of pocket space within the normal universe, not another reality.

Agreed. I view Closed Space that was as well.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Missing the point... if Koizumi had been a slider, he would have been from another dimension entirely.

Also, Closed Space is a form of pocket space within the normal universe, not another reality.

I know that, Kaisos. The point is, if Itsuki was a slider, he could be able to travel to another dimensions, including the Closed Space. What I am saying, is going to the Closed Space could be just a consequence of he coming from another dimension. This would probably mean falling in stop the Shinjis would probably affect other dimensions as well. I am not saying Itsuki born in the Closed Space.


Also the Closed Space may be a pocket space, now. However, it isn't hard to think it is originally another reallity. Also, calling it 'another reallity' might not be wrong. Yuki did say Kyon and Haruhi vanished from the world at Melancholy.

[Tyabann]

Hmm, true.

I just feel that Koizumi's role as Mr. Exposition could easily have been played by, say, Nagato. Hell, she shares that role half the time anyway.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Hmm, true.

I just feel that Koizumi's role as Mr. Exposition could easily have been played by, say, Nagato. Hell, she shares that role half the time anyway.

Koizumi's meant to be the Philosopher King: The "right brain" guy who states his theories in poetic riddles.

Nagato's meant to be the Genius Scientist: The "left brain" girl who states things in perfectly accurate and detailed hard science ways.

They present the same information but in different ways. Kind of lets the reader/watcher evaluate the information from different perspectives and/or focuses.

That's how I see it, anyway.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Hmm, true.

I just feel that Koizumi's role as Mr. Exposition could easily have been played by, say, Nagato. Hell, she shares that role half the time anyway.

This is totally true. I have to say Itsuki could very well be a aftertought character, as you said.


However, we kinda missed the point with all of it. We were discussing why Itsuki don't appear much in the story, or why he don't have much development.

I have to say it is kinda pointless. Even if he was created as a replacement, Tanigawa had many years to think in something. Also, seeing the current books, I say the Organization seens to be a big role in the most recent story. So I kind aexpect something from Koizumi soon.

[Ithekro]

So we have left brain and right brain, and finally the swiss cheese that is Mikuru.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

So we have left brain and right brain, and finally the swiss cheese that is Mikuru.

LOL

Good one.


Anyway, I kind of agree with Heatth... unless there's some big twist planned with Koizumi for which keeping his characterization a bit in the dark is needed to eventual deliver the twist in a plot-consistent way, I'd also like to see a bit more focus on Koizumi and fleshing out of his character. Even if he needs to continue to be a mysterious transfer student for Haruhi, he doesn't need to be that for Kyon and the reader.

When you're watching a costumed hero, eventually you like to see behind the mask...

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

That's what I always thought! That "slider" meant "dimensional slider" not "alternate reality slider". Given how time travel works in this anime/novel, the idea of an alternate reality slider struck me as kind of odd... there doesn't appear to be alternate realities (well, except maybe one) in this anime/novel.

Spoiler for Volume 9:

Convenient then how when we are introduced to that one exception (likely only the first that will have any effect upon the story) we are simultaneously (literally) introduced to someone who appears to be an alternate reality slider.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

So we have left brain and right brain, and finally the swiss cheese that is Mikuru.

More like the right brain, the left brain, and the horny, primitive back brain (at least in how she affects others).

[Stormwhite]

I'm still slightly confused about Vol. 9.

Spoiler for Vol. 9:

The 'A' and 'B' alternate universes seem to be different based on one thing. Whether or not Sasaki called. Some clarification on this would be appreciated, the only explanation I could come up with was that the 'slider' phoned Kyon's line just before Sasaki could, thus engaging the line.

Otherwise? I'm fairly stumped. Althouh my brain hasn't been working recently.

[Joe4evr]

Originally Posted by Stormwhite

I'm still slightly confused about Vol. 9.

Spoiler for Vol. 9:

The 'A' and 'B' alternate universes seem to be different based on one thing. Whether or not Sasaki called. Some clarification on this would be appreciated, the only explanation I could come up with was that the 'slider' phoned Kyon's line just before Sasaki could, thus engaging the line.

Yeah, that's exactly it.

[Stormwhite]

Ah...hm, must re-read now.

EDIT:
Hm, if that is the only difference, then

Spoiler for Vol. 9:

Did Kuyoh affect Nagato through Kimidori? Seems the only logical explanation. The same for the SOS Brigade applicants. Unless of course, Slider-tan has been running around doing other stuff behind our back.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Stormwhite

Ah...hm, must re-read now.

EDIT:
Hm, if that is the only difference, then

Spoiler for Vol. 9:

Did Kuyoh affect Nagato through Kimidori? Seems the only logical explanation. The same for the SOS Brigade applicants. Unless of course, Slider-tan has been running around doing other stuff behind our back.

Spoiler for Volume 9:

That Kimidori was the entry point for Kuyoh's attack on the Data Overmind and ultimately Yuki—that Kimidori is "patient zero", so to speak—is my opinion as well, and when I suggested it previously, back when B-T was still translating the volume, it appeared to be well accepted, so I imagine that a number of people already assumed as such. Especially likely when you go back and notice how any time Yuki herself directly manipulates a person, she always does it the same way. For organics like Kyon and Mikuru, she bites them and injects nanomachines. For interfaces like Ryoko, apparently all she needs is touch. Just like Kuyoh with Kimidori.

As for the new applicants, it obviously has something to do with Slider-tan, assuming you feel that the caller and the focused applicant are one in the same (pretty much the core of the Slider-tan theory). But as for who instigated the collection of applicants in the first place, I would have to think that it was either Yuki or Itsuki. If it was Itsuki, he would have scrapped the idea and started in on contingency plans once he heard about Kyon's impending meeting with the Anti-dan, and if it was Yuki (not so unlikely given her position as the only other SOS-dan member who has ever set up anything to entertain Haruhi, and she is the only official member of the Literature Club), then whatever made her sick by the end of the beta side of the book most likely also hindered her from organizing the prospective applicants. Either way, had they still decided to entertain the idea of a group of prospective plebes in the betaverse, Slider-tan would have been absent, one would assume.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Spoiler for Volume 9:

Especially likely when you go back and notice how any time Yuki herself directly manipulates a person, she always does it the same way. For organics like Kyon and Mikuru, she bites them and injects nanomachines. For interfaces like Ryoko, apparently all she needs is touch. Just like Kuyoh with Kimidori.

OBJECTION!!

Spoiler for Charmed:

Nagato never once came in contact with Nakagawa. The closest she ever got to the guy was after she had already done her thing to him.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

OBJECTION!!

Spoiler for Charmed:

Nagato never once came in contact with Nakagawa. The closest she ever got to the guy was after she had already done her thing to him.

Spoiler for volumes 4 and 8:

True enough, but consider what she did to him compared to what was done to Kyon, the Mikurus, and Ryoko.

She bit Kyon and Mikuru(big) to inject nanomachines to keep them from being affected by the Yukiverse rewrite.

She bit Mikuru(small) to inject nanomachines to "immunize" her from being able to "gattai" with Haruhi's colored contacts and fire various things from her eyes.

She grabbed Ryoko to disintegrate her humanoid interface body and cut off the interface's link to her data consciousness.

She remotely gave Nakagawa a concussion by having him injured during a football game, which presumably damaged the portion of his brain that enabled his esper powers.

Strictly speaking, her interaction with Nakagawa could be explained as being entirely physical (via the other football players), which with her data manipulation abilities wouldn't require any physical contact.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Spoiler for um... yeah:

Even if we were to assume that, she still would have manipulated someone without physical contact. Namely, the other players.

*e* Furthermore...

Spoiler for Vol4, as well as a few things that were already shown:

The nanobot injections were all measures to protect the individual from Harupowers. Meanwhile, the bit with Asakura also provides an instance of an Interface directly affecting someone without physical contact. Also, Asakura was caught completely by surprise by Nagato's action, meaning that she wasn't aware that coming in contact would pose a threat.

[Tyabann]

Okay, so, if Disappearance is a movie, what does that leave us with for S2?

Lessee.

Spoiler for spec:

Charmed at First Sight LOVER
Snow Mountain Syndrome I
Snow Mountain Syndrome II
Where Did the Cat Go?
Intrigues I
The Melancholy of Mikuru Asahina
Intrigues II
Intrigues III
Intrigues IV
Intrigues V
Intrigues VI
Intrigues VII
Editor-In-Chief*Straight Up I
Editor-In-Chief*Straight Up II

That's 14 episodes, but Editor-In-Chief really isn't a good place to end a season on... I guess we could cut an episode of Intrigues, as a lot of it is just talking... That, or cut SMS down to one episode. And we can combine Cat, which is ridiculously short, with the Intrigues prologue...

Leaving us with...

Spoiler for more spec:

Charmed at First Sight LOVER
Snow Mountain Syndrome I
Snow Mountain Syndrome II
Where Did the Cat Go?/Intrigues Prologue
The Melancholy of Mikuru Asahina
Intrigues I
Intrigues II
Intrigues III
Intrigues IV
Intrigues V
Editor-In-Chief*Straight Up I
Editor-In-Chief*Straight Up II
Wandering Shadow I
Wandering Shadow II

or

Charmed at First Sight LOVER
Snow Mountain Syndrome
Where Did the Cat Go?/Intrigues Prologue
The Melancholy of Mikuru Asahina
Intrigues I
Intrigues II
Intrigues III
Intrigues IV
Intrigues V
Intrigues VI
Editor-In-Chief*Straight Up I
Editor-In-Chief*Straight Up II
Wandering Shadow I
Wandering Shadow II

Something like that. Wandering Shadow is a perfect place to end a season on, as well, given that it's the last story of their first year.

Any thoughts on my reasoning?

[Heminga13]

A new season wouldn't necessarily have to be 14 episodes either. Precedence would suggest 14 new episodes but you never know. A 12 episode season ending with Intrigues would be good imo.

[Ithekro]

I suppose that depends on what day of the week it starts, and what holidays are present, since that seems to be the deturmining factor for season length.

Off chance for a 24-28 episode season if Book 10 is released. Since that will add two light novels to the list (but one story (two))

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Heminga13

A new season wouldn't necessarily have to be 14 episodes either. Precedence would suggest 14 new episodes but you never know. A 12 episode season ending with Intrigues would be good imo.

It's like, tradition now.

Intrigues isn't really an ending, if you ask me. Wandering Shadow is, at least in the same way that Someday in the Rain was.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Off chance for a 24-28 episode season if Book 10 is released. Since that will add two light novels to the list (but one story (two))

Hmm, yeah, I can see that story lasting about 12 episodes, given the length of Vol. 9, which was only three chapters and that MASSIVE prologue.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Okay, so, if Disappearance is a movie, what does that leave us with for S2?

Lessee.

Spoiler for spec:

Charmed at First Sight LOVER
Snow Mountain Syndrome I
Snow Mountain Syndrome II
Where Did the Cat Go?
Intrigues I
The Melancholy of Mikuru Asahina
Intrigues II
Intrigues III
Intrigues IV
Intrigues V
Intrigues VI
Intrigues VII
Editor-In-Chief*Straight Up I
Editor-In-Chief*Straight Up II

That's 14 episodes, but Editor-In-Chief really isn't a good place to end a season on... I guess we could cut an episode of Intrigues, as a lot of it is just talking... That, or cut SMS down to one episode. And we can combine Cat, which is ridiculously short, with the Intrigues prologue...

Leaving us with...

Spoiler for more spec:

Charmed at First Sight LOVER
Snow Mountain Syndrome I
Snow Mountain Syndrome II
Where Did the Cat Go?/Intrigues Prologue
The Melancholy of Mikuru Asahina
Intrigues I
Intrigues II
Intrigues III
Intrigues IV
Intrigues V
Editor-In-Chief*Straight Up I
Editor-In-Chief*Straight Up II
Wandering Shadow I
Wandering Shadow II

or

Charmed at First Sight LOVER
Snow Mountain Syndrome
Where Did the Cat Go?/Intrigues Prologue
The Melancholy of Mikuru Asahina
Intrigues I
Intrigues II
Intrigues III
Intrigues IV
Intrigues V
Intrigues VI
Editor-In-Chief*Straight Up I
Editor-In-Chief*Straight Up II
Wandering Shadow I
Wandering Shadow II

Something like that. Wandering Shadow is a perfect place to end a season on, as well, given that it's the last story of their first year.

Any thoughts on my reasoning?

I like your first list better. But I don't think Editor-In-Chief or Editor-In-Chief would end a season. Specially being both at last 2 episode long. (so it don't fit as 'after the end' as the last episode of Clannad)

Why do you think Wandering Shadow is a perfect place to end a season?

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I suppose that depends on what day of the week it starts, and what holidays are present, since that seems to be the deturmining factor for season length.

Off chance for a 24-28 episode season if Book 10 is released. Since that will add two light novels to the list (but one story (two))

I am hoping for a 28 season. Intrigues is build up for Disassociation/Surprise, anyway.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Intrigues isn't really an ending, if you ask me. Wandering Shadow is, at least in the same way that Someday in the Rain was.

You must remember Someday in the Rain don't was made to actually end the season. This episode was Melancholy VI. It has even an 'epilogue'. This is why I belive in a 28 episodes. Surprise will be, at last, a turning point. So an end here is fiting.