2012-02-01, 13:35 | Link #27501 |
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He tried to call for help on the internet, but nobody on the forums believed him.
"HELP I AM TRAPPED IN SOME HOUSE IN JAPAN THERE IS A CRAZY WOMAN HERE WHO DOES NOT LET ME LEAVE. I THINK I MAY BE SICK OR INJURED OR SOMETHING. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO I AM BUT SHE KEEPS MAKING ME WRITE STORIES ABOUT SOME GUY WHO I KIND OF FEEL LIKE I KNOW. CALL THE POLICE, SOMEONE, PLEASE." "Turn off caps lock, asshole." "Fake." "Cool story bro." "Whoa how weird I'm keeping a guy prisoner in my house, I wonder what he's doing on my computer right now..." "Yeah right, and I'm Ushiromiya Battler."
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2012-02-01, 13:49 | Link #27502 | |
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There is no implication that Ikuko meant any harm at all to Tohya. Sure, she showed him something about Rokkenjima on the computer once, but she obviously had no idea it would nearly kill him. Furthermore, until that point, Tohya showed interest in getting his memories back himself, so it's not as though she was forcing it on him. Personally, if I were to be taken to the proper authorities, I would find it much more psychologically harmful, so I can't understand why not doing so is more harmful. Quote:
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Kinzo is dead before the start of the game. This applies to all games. This particular Red Truth even applies to games created after it was spoken, as demonstrated in EP5. Quote:
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I still think that if she had told him, it would have been even more harmful than when she showed him something about Rokkenjima on the internet. Quote:
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Furthermore, if Ikuko isn't Yasuda, isn't she still evil according to your theories? Because we still didn't see any scenes where she gave him the choice to leave either way, and she still kidnapped a random guy off the street (instead of taking him to the proper authorities) with apparently no motive other than the fact that she's a bit lonely, which by the way, makes no sense at all. Caring for a random hobo who's badly injured and has brain damage is not something you do just because you're lonely. How was she able to go to where he was lying on the side of the road anyway, if she really is under house arrest? The fact that she was able to go there and bring him back means that she probably could have just gone and gotten involved in some small community where humans cooperate in order to work towards some goal, thereby giving her plenty of opportunity to meet new friends and all the reason in the world to go and hang out with them. Even if she's shy, it should be fine as long as it's not a big group of people or a group with anyone particularly rude in it. I mean, we have no reason to believe that Ikuko is absolutely cripplingly shy, so it should be, right? Quote:
But really, this whole thing is just another motif associated with Yasuda and Battler. "I could tell you, but let me hope that you'll remember on your own." Regardless, she couldn't have possibly known that if she waited, something like that would happen. Therefore, it's not her fault either way. Quote:
What is she going to apologize for? And if it's just to offer emotional support to Ange, how is she to do that when she barely even knows Ange and isn't all that good at expressing herself in the first place? Even if she goes and kowtows in front of Ange and tells her everything, how is that going to help Ange? Even when Ange did learn the Truth, it caused her to have a huge BSOD, so it probably wasn't anything that a survivor who dearly misses their family would want to hear. Not only that, but anyone would be able to see that Eva is willing to take the Truth to her deathbed even though this causes her inordinate amounts of extra suffering, so wouldn't this be like a huge betrayal to Eva? There's also the fact that she couldn't have told Ange that she's Shannon without Ange realizing "oh, she was there so she knows the Truth" which complicates the whole matter of offering emotional support quite a bit. And she can't just tell her "oh by the way, Battler lives in my house" without at least asking Tohya's permission, which we know that he wasn't going to be giving until after Ange changes her name and runs off. Quote:
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Beatrice died in October of 1986. Therefore, the Golden Land she created was completely destroyed. Your family, which was made to live in the Golden Land, was destroyed along with it. Your father, mother, and of course Battler...will never return to you again, and will never speak your name again. Quote:
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2012-02-01, 14:47 | Link #27505 |
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When exactly Anne Wilkes from Misery turned down medical help for Paul Sheldon? She constantly cared for him!
But... normally when you find a person in need of medical care you call an ambulance so they can go to a hospital with proper medical equipment and where they will notify the authorities. Hiring a doctor and bribing him to keep silent doesn't cut it. If Tohya suffered brain damage I think a C.A.T. would have been in order.
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Everyone seems to ignore that Ikuko DOESN'T AGE, so I don't think Ikuko is even a human being, but lol whatever. Quote:
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Also Bernkastel is an asshole, so fuck what she has to say on the matter. Quote:
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2012-02-01, 15:03 | Link #27507 | |
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If it wasn't intentional, then boy howdy is it a creepy coincidence.
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2012-02-01, 15:03 | Link #27508 | |
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And the hiring and bribing of the doctor only makes sense if she's Yasu, otherwise it makes Ikuko look like a psycho.
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2012-02-01, 15:04 | Link #27509 | |
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She develops a rather marked interest in collecting Rokkenjima stuff. What's a better centerpiece for your collection than a brainwashed survivor?
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2012-02-01, 15:10 | Link #27511 | ||
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The doctor recommends it, but Featherinne never said: "yes I'll do that". What she did was bribing the doctor to keep quiet. Why would she ask him to keep quiet if she was going to bring Tohya to a hospital were you can't possibly keep it quiet? Honestly, I don't think Ikuko brought Tohya to any hospital. If not much later when she made up a fake identity for him.
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2012-02-01, 15:14 | Link #27512 |
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And if she's Yasu, and the above is true, then we lose any ability to see her as a sympathetic figure. There is no Yasuda!Ikuko/Toya!Battler happy ending. Making Ikuko into Yasu only makes Yasu a psychopath.
My god, let the poor girl die with dignity like she wanted to. Let Ikuko's problems be Ikuko's.
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2012-02-01, 15:16 | Link #27513 |
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Well I wouldn't say that Ikuko is a total psycho but she certainly isn't normal and what she did with Tohya was basically kidnapping a person for her own whim. It is undeniable that she bribed that doctor to keep silent and there is absolutely no way to explain that without supposing she was up to no good, or at any rate it wasn't anything legal. And no one would benefit from that except herself.
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2012-02-01, 15:24 | Link #27514 |
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That only means that it's ambiguous. I doesn't say that she didn't send him either. But seeing how she rescued him from the road, and how she brought a doctor to look after him, and how she allowed him to live with her, it doesn't make sense if she didn't check him up. (it does if you follow the Misery line) Or if she didn't send him to the hospital, then she must have brought the equipment at her house.
So I guess it depends on whether you have love for Ikuko or not?
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2012-02-01, 15:29 | Link #27516 |
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It makes sense if you follow the "misery" scenario, it doesn't if you don't.
Why would she not bring him to the hospital directly like any normal person would? Why would she bribe the doctor to keep quiet? And if she brought Tohya to the hospital, then it's just impossible they didn't notify the authorities. You need to show who you are to receive medical care in a hospital. And let's say the authorities were notified how could they not check if he was one of those 17 (or 16?) persons that went missing in a recent incident? It doesn't add up. In my opinion... it really doesn't P.S: A CT scanner is a huge machine, you can only find one in a hospital, and not even all of them.
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This is true regardless of whether Ikuko is Yasuda or not, so it's kind of irrelevant... But ok.
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More importantly, nobody has come up with a good theory for exactly why Ikuko kidnapped Tohya, without assuming that she's Yasuda. Quote:
I'm not saying that she didn't want him to stay with her in that house. Of course, regardless of whether Ikuko is Yasuda or a random stranger, I think it's clear that she did. But even so, does loneliness have to be her only motive for everything? If anything, Ikuko=RandomStranger makes her more psycho than Ikuko=Yasuda. |
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