(L+CR) Youjo Senki (Saga of Tanya the Evil)

[AB079]

Originally Posted by Botan_TM

This setup is based on Kaiser Germany or Prussia, not a Nazi... Seriously where do you see Nazis here?

The way how the characters act gives me that vibe, is not even related on how they are using the story but even if they change the setup anyone can tell this is pretty much taking some basis on the Nazis.

Originally Posted by Botan_TM

Spoiler for comparison with novel:

Indeed, they skipped a chapter or two, probably in order to get to juicy action parts.
Straight adaptation would in half looks like a documentary one some history channel. They always may come back later to those.

Spoiler for about it:

The content skipped was too important or just details that add more depth to the story?

[Irenesharda]

Originally Posted by AB079

Pretty straight forward episode with pure battle + battle + Nazis everywhere. It feels rushed or they simply skipped something because I can tell there are some part missing.

Less Nazi, more Imperial. Pretty much everyone's uniforms in this not-Europe, is WWI era style, rather than WWII.

It did feel a little rushed in that I really didn't connect to anyone, but I think it just needs a little more time to unfold.

[AB079]

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

Less Nazi, more Imperial. Pretty much everyone's uniforms in this not-Europe, is WWI era style, rather than WWII.

The series itself said this is placed on 1942 (unless that was a mistake of the subs), which means the same period of time of the Nazis. While I agree this looks different is using the same basis of the WW2 history mixed with WW1 elements.

[human6861]

Originally Posted by AB079

The series itself said this is placed on 1942 (unless that was a mistake of the subs), which means the same period of time of the Nazis. While I agree this looks different is using the same basis of the WW2 history mixed with WW1 elements.

My sub is 1924.

[AB079]

Originally Posted by human6861

My sub is 1924.

Really? what the hell... okay who can say from the source the year where this is placed?

[Flower]

Originally Posted by AB079

Really? what the hell... okay who can say from the source the year where this is placed?

CR also says 1924 at 4:03 or so ... and the manga at least also places the events happening that time and earlier.

So yes ... as others have said, I think it is not-Germany in not-Europe in a mirror of not-WW1 ... it is not always a 1=1 comparison, of course, but I think those are the general frameworks involved here.

[AB079]

Originally Posted by Flower

CR also says 1924 at 4:03 or so ... and the manga at least also places the events happening that time and earlier.

So yes ... as others have said, I think it is not-Germany in not-Europe in a mirror of not-WW1 ... it is not always a 1=1 comparison, of course, but I think those are the general frameworks involved here.

Thanks for the clarification, haven't read the manga but I guess I need to do it since trusting the subs is not a wise desition.

Basically the general idea of this story is based on WW1 settings, nice to know that now.

[Botan_TM]

Originally Posted by AB079

Spoiler for about it:

The content skipped was too important or just details that add more depth to the story?

Spoiler for General information about vol.1 content:

I would even say first anime episode were just about details from novel.
Basically a Tanya backstory + insight into her character and way of thinking plus a lot of world-building with putting a lot of effort on ... well I left it for LN thread

Originally Posted by AB079

The series itself said this is placed on 1942 (unless that was a mistake of the subs), which means the same period of time of the Nazis. While I agree this looks different is using the same basis of the WW2 history mixed with WW1 elements.

As said above, it's a 1924.
Well, Great War and WWII were not that much different from geostrategic point of view. With just a one episode and trace of setup it can be confused.

Anyway even from first episode it can be said, it not just a straight copy of WWI or a copy with just some random illogical changes to it. I appreciate that too.

[Zefyris]

The anime starts in media res to grab the attention from the watcher, those scenes (well, the scenes they originate for, since there's a lot of difference) is from the middle of the first volume (skipping something like the prologue, chapter 1 and 2 to start at chapter 3)
Expect some heavy flashback to explain what is going on here. Well, I suppose they're going to explain it in the anime sooner or later right. Right? Right?

[human6861]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

The anime starts in media res to grab the attention from the watcher, those scenes (well, the scenes they originate for, since there's a lot of difference) is from the middle of the first volume (skipping something like the prologue, chapter 1 and 2 to start at chapter 3)
Expect some heavy flashback to explain what is going on here. Well, I suppose they're going to explain it in the anime sooner or later right. Right? Right?

I don't think so . With how it made , i think it will be 12 episodes and will be rush .

[kuromitsu]

I don't quite know what possessed me to watch this episode...

Oh well. This is the kind of thing I'd probably enjoy if it was over the top, self-aware and funny and sarcastic. But it's not, so... nope, definitely not my cup of tea. (More like 20 minutes of me rolling my eyes.)

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

I don't quite know what possessed me to watch this episode...

Oh well. This is the kind of thing I'd probably enjoy if it was over the top, self-aware and funny and sarcastic. But it's not, so... nope, definitely not my cup of tea. (More like 20 minutes of me rolling my eyes.)

From a novel reader, it is completely self aware, I can confirm that.
Funny, no, that's not the type you're searching for indeed.

[Gan_HOPE326]

For a country full of military geniuses and surrounded only by "potential" enemies on all sides, plan 315, aka "piss off everyone to the point your forces are stretched so thin they can barely hold out the enemy, then use some bullshit deus-ex super force zipping around to DEFEAT EVERYONE AND WIN!" sounds like a remarkably retarded option.

EDIT: I had heard people calling Tanya evil for her behaviour towards her subordinates, but this seems pretty tame...? Pretty sure for disobedience in the heat of battle she could have had them shot, and yet she merely sends them back home and when they even disobey to THAT still she only puts them in a shit job.

[Ryuga]

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

EDIT: I had heard people calling Tanya evil for her behaviour towards her subordinates, but this seems pretty tame...? Pretty sure for disobedience in the heat of battle she could have had them shot, and yet she merely sends them back home and when they even disobey to THAT still she only puts them in a shit job.

You could make that argument, yeah, though I still think she's a piece of shit for doing that lol.

[Xical]

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

EDIT: I had heard people calling Tanya evil for her behaviour towards her subordinates, but this seems pretty tame...? Pretty sure for disobedience in the heat of battle she could have had them shot, and yet she merely sends them back home and when they even disobey to THAT still she only puts them in a shit job.

Spoiler for maybe spoiler:

Is about the skipped content and the fact she send them to the shit job knowing they will die doing it.

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[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by Ryuga

You could make that argument, yeah, though I still think she's a piece of shit for doing that lol.

Eh, I mean... even if they were doing it because they thought it would save the lives of other soldiers, what if in doing so they let down the pressure they were supposed to keep, allowing the enemy to encircle their army? That would have led to way more soldier deaths. Of course all that "tactics" seem to be in this show is mages zipping around and shooting random people, so sure, maybe what they did could have actually helped more ...

Originally Posted by Xical

Spoiler for maybe spoiler:

Is about the skipped content and the fact she send them to the shit job knowing they will die doing it.

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Spoiler for maybe spoiler:

Even so I'd still say she's in her right to do so. And basically that's what they said when they asked "we're here for victory or death": to either be allowed to continue fighting or rather be sentenced to death than go back home in dishonour. They're being fanatical too. To sentence them to death "by fighting" so to say is still being gracious to them, as their honour is preserved. Being shot by a platoon would have been a far worse blemish for them.

(anyway, dropped mid-episode out of boredom)

[Zefyris]

Tanya isn't evil anyway. She's inhuman, yes, a monster even (not talking about her magic power her but her mindset and mentality as a whole) but evil? Definitely not. All her decision makes perfect sense and are the most efficient to reach the desired effect.

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

For a country full of military geniuses and surrounded only by "potential" enemies on all sides, plan 315, aka "piss off everyone to the point your forces are stretched so thin they can barely hold out the enemy, then use some bullshit deus-ex super force zipping around to DEFEAT EVERYONE AND WIN!" sounds like a remarkably retarded option.

EDIT: I had heard people calling Tanya evil for her behaviour towards her subordinates, but this seems pretty tame...? Pretty sure for disobedience in the heat of battle she could have had them shot, and yet she merely sends them back home and when they even disobey to THAT still she only puts them in a shit job.

That theory technically makes sense. First of all, such situation (having to battle on many fronts like that at once) never happened so it's a theory coming from the fear of getting attacked by the various countries around them at the same time and how you would deal with it.
The whole point here of that strategy is to keep on the defensive, stalling the enemy advance as much as possible rather than trying to win, and avoiding putting too much soldiers in one side. Then having enough soldiers as a internal mobile force, that can be quickly dispatched through the network of trains and various transport, to get where they're needed and push back the enemies putting too much pressure on the defence line. Technically, if you're going to defend your country against several forces at the same time, that's pretty much the only option you have. You cannot really do it in any other way. The empire has more than enough soldier and fire power to win against ONE country at a time, but not enough to fight on equal terms on every front at the same time. So you fight in inferiority on most fronts while slowly moving back, and try to solve the problems with a force that isn't stuck on a specific frontline.
Any other choice would lead to defeat anyway.

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

From a novel reader, it is completely self aware, I can confirm that.
Funny, no, that's not the type you're searching for indeed.

I meant self-aware of how ridiculous it is. :3 In any case, yeah, this is not one for me.

[AB079]

Just asking, why there are idiots calling Tanya "Tatsuya 2.0"? is there any real reason to do that?

[Flower]

Originally Posted by AB079

Just asking, why there are idiots calling Tanya "Tatsuya 2.0"? is there any real reason to do that?

That sort of question might be better asked in the novel thread for more details and such, as it could quickly branch into areas not yet covered in the anime....

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Separate from this question, though, I have noticed a lot of comments being put under spoiler tags that seem to be edging close to material not shown in the anime. Please, as per the forum standards, go either to the novel thread or contact other posters via pm/vm if you have larger or more specific questions aside from what was seen, okay?

Thanks in advance. ^^